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F2P pets
 mkilla
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post 8 Jan 2009, 21:11 | #1
F2P pets i was wondering, Y can't there be some f2p pets???? well part from that larva, sry i dont know its name.
Anyway anything, Even a little gobbly would be nice just anything that give u even a little stats? sad.gif
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 Blimy
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post 9 Jan 2009, 00:34 | #2
Because F2P people are a drain on the system. As harsh as that sounds, these people only cost Ankama money and those who do pay to play have to suffer the consequences -> server lag. If everybody was paying to play, Ankama could afford a larger server farm etc. to increase game performance. So naturally they won't be inclined to make F2P too attractive and I fully support that. The more attractive F2P is, the less inclined will people be to actually pay. That doesn't make any sense from an economical point of view. It'd be ruining the company.
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 theTurbo
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post 14 Feb 2009, 09:40 | #3
Thats jus stupid! if ya make F2P more attractive, people who jus play online lik on (www.miniclip.com) will see that u can do loads of thing and see that u can even have ure own pet, therefore encouraging to thik " i wonder if theres many other pets i can have" making them want to pay, i agree with question asker &&& it wud b nice 2 av a lil gobbly or sumtin.. even a tofu smile.gif or arachnee :L biggrin.gif
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 SORA-THE-CHOS...
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post 14 Feb 2009, 10:32 | #4
QUOTE (Blimy @ 9 Jan 2009, 00:34) *
Because F2P people are a drain on the system. As harsh as that sounds, these people only cost Ankama money and those who do pay to play have to suffer the consequences -> server lag. If everybody was paying to play, Ankama could afford a larger server farm etc. to increase game performance. So naturally they won't be inclined to make F2P too attractive and I fully support that. The more attractive F2P is, the less inclined will people be to actually pay. That doesn't make any sense from an economical point of view. It'd be ruining the company.

ok i have to side with blimy here for a number of reasons..apologies in advance if they too harsh..

1. AMANKA is a company..nothing is free in this world it will always cost sumone sumthing

2. for the p2p players like myself we PAY money to get the extra benifits. minimum sub is like $10USD so if u want the full version u proabbly should pay

3. there are way to many f2p players like bots for example..they create lag,nussiance and other things if they made f2p pets all the bots and other f2ps would abuse the system once again pay the $10

best regards

SORA
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 Schmendrick
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post 15 Feb 2009, 06:46 | #5
QUOTE (theTurbo @ 14 Feb 2009, 10:40) *
Thats jus stupid! if ya make F2P more attractive, people who jus play online lik on (www.miniclip.com) will see that u can do loads of thing and see that u can even have ure own pet, therefore encouraging to thik " i wonder if theres many other pets i can have" making them want to pay, i agree with question asker &&& it wud b nice 2 av a lil gobbly or sumtin.. even a tofu smile.gif or arachnee :L biggrin.gif


Except that's not how things work out here in the real world. If you give more things away for free, then most people want more free things. They don't go "Hey, this is a cool F2P pet, I'd better subscribe so I can have more pets", they go "Hey, this is a cool F2P pet... ANKMAMA GIV MOR FREEE PETZ PLZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!! U NOT FARE CUZ U GIVE P2P LOTS OF PETS BUT F2P GETZ ONLEE 1 PET!!!!!!!! MOAR FREE PETZ!!!!"

So, instead, Ankama says "If you want a pet, then you have to subscribe. No exceptions".
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 WillSeveer
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post 23 Feb 2009, 07:56 | #6
If there was so many f2p ppl it would cost dofus a lot of money they might even need to shut down! ohmy.gif
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 PallyFox
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post 27 Feb 2009, 10:21 | #7
I agree with Blimy. There are too many F2P as it is and they really clog the server. So much so there are multiple Incarnams. Now that's just sad. =P Freeloaders...

The F2P hoard is good for one thing though. Cheap items tend to sell relatively fast up in Incarnam. Only because they don't want to leave the dungeon up there...

But yeah, I'd gladly trade all those F2P people for a better server any day of the week. There should be a cheapo laggy, F2P filled Incarnam server just for them, and if they ever become P2P then they get to choose which server to go to.. and if their sub runs out then they're just stuck in limbo until they decide to pay again (so they can't go to astrub for one month sub and then decide not to pay anymore).

The server login time hasn't been too bad here lately, but a couple weeks ago or so, it was horrid.. And the main people who still lag the servers are those intolerable cra and sadi bots. There has to be at least 10 bots to every legit F2P person. I mean really.. maybe scroll ingredients should only be P2P accessible?

Also 'ppl shud lern hough 2 tlk' >.>;
Actually I think it takes some special dedication to learn how to type like that. Dedication to illiteracy and idiocy. tongue.gif

Edit: Better yet, have only an offline demo available to F2P. They can try out Incarnam, but never leave.. could even have a pet on it, a house, etc.. Ankama could possibly lose money because of it, but I doubt it. Just think... no more F2P costing Ankama money. No more F2P bots. A lag free Incarnam demo to demonstrate their game (level 30 max, only alchemy profession is available.. really simplify it). They could even give you a special code after you reach level 30 in the demo. You enter the code in for an account, and get the Boone pet, which is otherwise only available in the demo.

Oh, one more thing.. the dungeon would of course need rebalancing for the demo, considering you'd be alone. xD

This post has been edited by PallyFox: 27 Feb 2009, 10:32
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 litchmore
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post 10 Mar 2009, 18:36 | #8
so your sayn that the f2p players shouldent dezerve to have a damm pet...u selfish dirty glazard
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 litchmore
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post 10 Mar 2009, 18:39 | #9
why dude pally its cool to have a f2p pet at least plz a gobtubby or somthin
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 Ultimate-Bitc...
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post 10 Mar 2009, 18:57 | #10
Much as I hate to say this, Blimy is right. I'm f2p at the moment and I'm beginning to realize that Dofus would be much better if it was only p2p. Restricting f2p players to incarnam sounds like a great idea. No bots to trouble the people who are actually paying to play the game. Giving f2p players anything more than what they currently have is unnecessary and illogical.

Cheers - Rush
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post 10 Mar 2009, 21:33 | #11
If you're not paying for the game you can't claim that you deserve anything.

(Incidentally, I'm having great problems making this reply; it keeps dumping me back at the top level forum page whenever I click 'add reply'. Ended up having to use IE to make this post, which makes no sense; IE working when Firefox doesn't?)
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 TURPHIN
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post 19 Jul 2009, 10:10 | #12
noooooooooooooooooooo dont shut down dofus it is a great game
ohmy.gif sad.gif
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 Aquarising
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post 18 Aug 2009, 01:48 | #13
To the guy who started this post, an f2p pet would be a bad idea because of the ankama really needs the money so they could upgrade this game alot, i have been f2p for about 4-5 years without membership and it really bugs me that you cant have a pet but then, were lucky to be playing this great game for free, atleast the free parts that is.To all the people that think there should be no f2p players or that they should stay in incarnam until the get membership, thats pretty mean thinking because the bots are the main problem, if their wasnt any bots than the server lag problems would be practically gone, even i want to get p2p and pay for this great game but its just that i cant.
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 TorquayHunter
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post 6 Sep 2009, 20:57 | #14
If they need the money so badly they should work around the problem rather then restrict f2p players into the beginning island. Also a flash game such as this, well its easy for bots to be placed purely because of the platform also bots would still pay to 'advertise' their 'products'

Saying that "pay 2 play" is the only way to go is in fact wrong because it will put new players off from the game and in turn destroys new business for the company so profits shrink and in the end prices for players who already play will end up going up.

Yes pay 2 play is good but they could do so much more to boost their net income without making people turn away and play other games like guild wars and such, who knows maybe the free to play community does deserve something, not saying a pet, something maybe a low lvl weapon
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 Schmendrick
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post 7 Sep 2009, 05:15 | #15
Really, what's so difficult about "If you want the benefits of being a subscriber, you have to pay to subscribe"? Do you routinely call a plumber and say "Hey, if you'll fix my toilet for free, I'll consider calling you in the future if my toilet and sink both break at the same time"? Do you call a cable or satellite TV company and say "I'd like to get some of the special subscriber-only channels, but I don't want to pay you for any of them"? Because that sounds like what you're suggesting here.

By your logic, World of Warcraft was doomed to fail from the start, because its "F2P" experience is even more limited: you can't get above level 20, you can't trade with other players, you can't send mail to other players, and you can only play for seven days before you have to pay or get a new account and start all over again (and even that's limited - it will only accept three accounts from the same e-mail address). With all those limitations and inability to attract hordes of free players to the game, you'd think the game would have gone under in a week. But, wait, even with all that limited F2P, they're the biggest game in the world! Probably because people do want to play, and they're willing to pay for that privilege instead of being stuck with the severely-limited free game! How does that fit into your "If Ankama wants more people to pay, they should give free players more subscriber-only content" concept?

... for that matter, how does any business model in the world fit into your "Giving people fewer benefits for paying makes them more likely to pay" nonsense?

I'll tell you how: they don't.
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 TorquayHunter
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post 7 Sep 2009, 06:51 | #16
QUOTE (Schmendrick @ 7 Sep 2009, 06:15) *
Really, what's so difficult about "If you want the benefits of being a subscriber, you have to pay to subscribe"? Do you routinely call a plumber and say "Hey, if you'll fix my toilet for free, I'll consider calling you in the future if my toilet and sink both break at the same time"? Do you call a cable or satellite TV company and say "I'd like to get some of the special subscriber-only channels, but I don't want to pay you for any of them"? Because that sounds like what you're suggesting here.

By your logic, World of Warcraft was doomed to fail from the start, because its "F2P" experience is even more limited: you can't get above level 20, you can't trade with other players, you can't send mail to other players, and you can only play for seven days before you have to pay or get a new account and start all over again (and even that's limited - it will only accept three accounts from the same e-mail address). With all those limitations and inability to attract hordes of free players to the game, you'd think the game would have gone under in a week. But, wait, even with all that limited F2P, they're the biggest game in the world! Probably because people do want to play, and they're willing to pay for that privilege instead of being stuck with the severely-limited free game! How does that fit into your "If Ankama wants more people to pay, they should give free players more subscriber-only content" concept?

... for that matter, how does any business model in the world fit into your "Giving people fewer benefits for paying makes them more likely to pay" nonsense?

I'll tell you how: they don't.


Can you please tell me who you are aiming this at.

Also WoW and Dofus are two very different games and would not benefit in the same way if they both adopted the same style of doing things
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 ShinigamiMatt
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post 6 Nov 2009, 19:00 | #17
they should make the Bow meow f2p coz it kinda crap anyway dry.gif Bow Meow
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 Blimy
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post 9 Nov 2009, 08:38 | #18
Any F2P pet is too good for those who don't pay. If it was me, I'd even limit the kind of sets F2P can use just to discourage people from playing for too long without paying. We are all complaining about the login servers not coping well with the amount of players logging on. I am sure this wouldn't be a problem if Dofus weren't as F2P-friendly as it currently is. :s
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 Geki-Rox
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post 10 Nov 2009, 11:33 | #19
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!I dont get much p2p,And i nut gonna leave dofus!I am p2p atm,But not for long..Some lucky people get to keep on getting p2p..But some people have to stick with p2p once every 6 months,And that is just shit!..


So,If you do this,You will lose like,half your reputation in players of dofus,Think about it for us unlucky people who dont get much,Think..Think about it!! People lose freinds because of that!Think abuot that,Think if all of you lost all your freinds on dofus because of some people who dont listen to some others..Think about that before you act...Please think about this..Please,I beg you..

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 Blimy
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post 10 Nov 2009, 12:44 | #20
There are apparently about 3.5-4 million people playing Dofus. According to a financial report of a couple years back, the PAYING players only amount to around 500.000. That means those 500.000 pay for 3-3.5 million people so these can play. That's like a fraction of the population paying taxes while the rest just enjoys the ride. I don't THINK that is right at all.
THINK - if your friendships won't extend beyond the game, they are merely acquaintances, not friends.
THINK - if Ankama make the game EVEN MORE attractive to non-paying players they'll go bust and NOBODY will be able to play.
THINK - about all the things in this world we'd like to have but can't afford. Are you going to tell your favourite toy shop they need to reduce the price of a toy just so you can buy it? I don't think so.

As F2P people get a lot more out of Dofus than they get out of most other games or services for that matter. You are actively trying to ruin Ankama by your request, even if this isn't your actual intention. But that is exactly what you do. Nobody can live like a king unless they have the money to do so. Nobody will be silly enough to tell the world that they have the right to live like a king but not pay for it. THINK!

Next time you go to the movie theatre, try telling them what you wrote here and see how they react. You are simply unrealistic. wink.gif
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