High level and Epic level players - Take a look. I won't be surprised if this topic actually get deleted. It's not the nicest one but it is the truth.

I'm not an Ankama-basher. Infact I've held a great deal of respect for this company during the years. Afterall, I've been playing dofus since 2005.
1½ years ago I hit level 200 on my ecaflip, one of the first level 200's ever. The more I've kept playing the more I've noticed the lack of content for players at my own level.
It's been 1½ year old without any "real" content. Ok, the challanges we got are nice but you can't exactly call that content.
What has kept me playing you ask? My friends and my guild. All in all, the community - which brings me to this point:

As the leader of an epic level guild (Blank for those who are intrested) I've noticed the huge lack of respect people are starting to get for ankama.

• Those of us who multiclient get limited to 5 accounts. We can't log more unless we have static ip's. Something that costs alot of money for us to get. We get no refunds for the money we spent on subscribing our accounts - hell, we don't even get a "sorry". It takes a few months, the restriction gets lifted and we can play again. We subscribe our accounts and as soon we do - we get restricted again. It's pretty clear that Ankama is doing this to take our money, nothing else. We've asked millions of times for explanations both in tickets and topics HERE AT THEESE FORUMS. We get nothing.
• We get another update with no content.
• They change the whole game mechanics.
• We all know that Ankama Devolopers will realize some of theese changes aren't any good so they will nerf and buff once again.

Basicly - you learn the game and you finished it. All you do is waiting for new content so you can keep playing. Ankama comes marchin in and say "hey, grats - you'll have to start over from square 1". This is no joke, because the changes made in this upcoming update will require new sets for most of our characters, we will have to learn how to play in different groups and how to avoid getting killed.

I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering quitting together with 32 other people (over 80 accounts) from my guild.
We are waiting for the promised "Dofus 2.0" and the "Ice Continent" which should have been out last year and this is what you give us? Is this a bad joke?
We don't wan't to learn how to play the game from the beggining. We like Dofus as it is but we lack content. New monsters, new gears, new areas, new graphics.

Instead of encouraging your old time players to keep playing and get your self a good rumour and more customers from us - you chase us away. Start showing us some god d#mn respect. Stop ignoring us - WE ARE THE GAME!!

I'm fully aware that this is a golden update for many of you lower level players, thats great! In all honesty. But what about us? We are customers too, and lojal customers as well!
Spending years to achieve something that you simply take away from us is pure nonsense and stupidity.

I'm losing my friends, I'm losing a great amount of members from my guild, I have to learn how to play all over again and I have to regear my characters. This was not why I started playing dofus or why I kept playing for so long.

I feel betraid and robbed of my money.

What about you? Do you have the balls to say what you actually think?

/youbutsu 200 eca, ilookgoodinbora 200 cra, tanig 200 sac, arg 200 eni, mesoh-rny 200 enu, reduxxx 199 panda and slampig 19x iop.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 03:02

Amen

more like you prefer to stay in your comfort zone, its just like reality, if you dont keep improving yourself and adapt to changes, you get kick out or stay stagnant in the working society. Things change no matter for the better or worse just live with it.

This post has been edited by Xervitus: 28 Mar 2009, 03:13

Wrong, I like changes but I don't like when EVERYTHING changes, I have to start over from square one and all my friends are quitting.
Good try though.

Edit:
Beta ended in September 2005. Yet they are still fixing things that should have been added or corrected since this time. It's been 4 years, how can they not be done yet?

Also, the reason I play this game is because it's NOT reality. Your post is flawed.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 04:19

Im with you youb
/blas 19x sadi, -cainly- 19x xelor, penicillium 13x eni

Hey the community,


Im one of the blank member which are quitting dofus, because of the coming update.

As youbutsu said, i feel betraied too, so many years spend on the game, So many questions i have ask, few answers.

I just think this post and all our arguing is like a swordslash in the water but nevermind.........



I dont like the way Ankama go from now on. And as their policy is not to change the opinion, I prefer quit than spending more time.


Well cya

Me whit you boss youbie

i ar one blank member family Me and my bro blas, quiting game for this new changes..

Its really aww. i dont have word.....

CrOw-MeX
Sac 185
Eni 187
Panda 160

Xelor 190
Sadi 190
Eni 130

Not as they really can kill dofus of that way...
No more dofus for me, if i only its for my friends no for play dofus..

I hate your's ankama to clear my to me appraised game, my only form to clear stress to me.
And now i need find other game and loose my 4 years whit your, i really need to cry.

Regard's
One Player more leave....
ITE Julio Sauceda

This post has been edited by TecLordCrow: 28 Mar 2009, 03:31

When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.

I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster.

Yea, yea, yeah.....We worked long time for those items, and you think we should give them away just like that?
To someone we don't even know?
To someone who won't even say "Thanks"?

Well, DOFUS isn't what it should be, we can't even play without fear that for a few days they will screw up our char?

Take a look.
I make new char...(I won't name class), I spend much money on scrolling and items.
After lots of BR's I go to -2,0 to chat with friends/strangers....Then someone says "did you heard about nerf" "fecas/sacs/enis will suck now"......So....I just lost my money on alt...hard earned money....only because Ankama isn't listening to us..and only because people cry "That class is overpowered" here's your overpowered class...

And you know how Ankama will solve all those problems? -Ban 1 year-
They are making game worse,worse,worse...Ankama , you're only making yourself earn less money.
We worked for our chars! We spend money on p2p!And you throw all that into water?Like "fuck them"....
Money isn't something you should play with.


level 15x <(near 160) cra.

And a lot of his retired alts.

2009-08-08 [News] Cras will suck now! That might be one of news in couple of months ...

This post has been edited by II-Mato-II: 28 Mar 2009, 08:45

I agree to this topic, but there is one thing you need to know.
Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game.
Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums.

I think Ankama really ought to pay some attention when the 200s start complaining, particularly the leader of the biggest guild in the game. I can't recall Medgix ever whining or ranting or bitching before. So when an update is announced and it's extreme enough to provoke a post such as that from him it might be worth listening, eh, Ankama?

I am not opposed to the changes myself (except the 10% HP lost thing). I am even willing to classify the Wrath change as a change and not a nerf, even though I really do enjoy the rush I get when swinging it at a boss or an earth-weak target and I'll miss that spell a great deal.

But I do see why the 200s are getting pissed. Ankama have put a great deal of effort in to this update but they've done two things to the elite players: Ignored their need for new content to keep them interested and broken their current builds so that they have to start from scratch.

Now some people may consider the fact they have to re-learn and re-equip their characters as something new and fun to do, which is fine, but that's a personal choice for each individual that has to go through it. I can understand why many of the epic level players would see this suggestion as an insult and not an opportunity. It's not fun to have to repeat yourself, especially repeating several years worth of effort. I've spent a great deal of time collecting a custom set for my 14x Iop and a Cere set for my Sacrier. If someone told me now that Sacs were now only str-based (not that they'd take other stats away but, I dunno, make the other elements significantly weaker) there's no way I would ever consider getting her a new set to be fun after everything I went through for the Cere. And that would break my team, too, because my Iop is supposed to handle the Str hits, my Sac is built for fire damage. That's one extreme change (not unlike the ones coming in terms of severity) that would have rendered my both of my characters nearly obsolete. Translate that in to being the owner of several 18x+ characters and apply the entire host of extreme changes that are now rushing in and I think I can understand why these guys are pissed.

So my condolences to those players of such high level, and good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Incidentally I've suggested something for level 200s which, though not exactly new content, would certainly be interesting and would make restarting fresh. I think I'd opt to do it if I reached 200. Anyway:


This post has been edited by SnarfSnarf: 28 Mar 2009, 09:53

Youbutsu is right, the game isn't even going to be dofus anymore they might as well change the name. They are trying to make it more lower level and pvp based which dofus seriously isn't about. Ah well i will probally end up quiting too because same as Youb and many other people in this forum, the fact that my friends are quiting which is the main reason i play without them the game sucks fact.

Reason we all got to these levels is because we enjoyed the lower level stuff too, pwning a royal gobbal at level 30 was epic back in the day thats why we kept playing and thats why new players keep playing.

/Captivated 189 ecaflip (solar)

whoops double post :<

This post has been edited by konnoooceee: 28 Mar 2009, 11:39

I agree with your comments, but not necessarily what everyone else wrote here on this post, not 100%. They are making a mess and ruining some of the characters, true. Ankama look at everyone on an equal line, to them, someone who is level 200 is the same as someone who is level 1, they are all customers of Ankama's Games and Services. Epicness is just great, one or two celebrations, Ankama congrats you, for being a long time supporter, in their hearts, they dont care about your greatness alone, but the greatness of the community. (And themselves, yes they are quite selfish too) Epicness only raises one's superiority in the game, but in a community, everyone is equal. in I agree that improving the game in how they are doing now, to some (won't say many, since those that complain is still a minority) its not even considered an improvement.



The french people really don't care, though maybe not as much as they do compared to what their own people say (including those that can communicate in french, not really from France) on their own language forum. There is probably just the same amount of minority there that are so disagreeable with recent news.



This post has been edited by Ginleit: 28 Mar 2009, 12:21

"Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game."

I am just 1 player (8 accounts) out of 1.5m subscibers. I am the game. I know Ankama arent listening to us, they havent done so the past 1.5 years - but you are.

"When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.
I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster."

Work for it, like we did. You have no use of 19x equipment and most of the players I'm talking about are already merched and gone from the game. Besides, why would we give it away to some random guy asking for equips when we could sell it and divide the kamas amongst friends. Also, why would we want to disapoint you? That makes no sense. We are happy if you enjoy the game.

"Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums."

Moderators handles bots, thefts, scams and helps out with events. They are volunteer workers / Regular players. I bet you theres even mods who are a bit disapointed over their friends quitting. If you mean Devolopers by saying "french people" I understand your point. Many of the french players and even some of the Ankama staff uses this forums. They won't be reading this however but that isnt the purpose of this topic. I want to explain why a majority of us epic level players are upset and quitting to you.

"Those that are too self-centered, and are not willing to cooperate with others, and change their way of thinking will end up quitting or not subscribing for further membership."

I wouldn't be the player I am today if I was too self-centered. In fact, I'm very generous and I understand that lower players loves this update. It benefits them so why not! I've played this game for 4 years and now I have start over. I'm not exactly thrilled to be in this position. My main concern are all of the things I posted at the top. Basicly my friends quitting. Theese are radical changes, I understand why so many players are quitting but many of you don't understand. Hopefuly you'll understand how Ankama is ruining the game as the years passes by.

SnarfSnarf:

Cheers for the nice support, but I am a regular player as anyone else ^^. Ankama them selfs wont care the least of what I have to say, they never did. I'm just intrested to hear other people ideas about this whole thing and express my disapointment towards Ankama. See it as a warning .
I don't like this update at all, but I could keep playing it if it wasnt for the huge amount of friends quitting. Only in Blank we have 33 people quitting or going on breaks because of this update - lack of content. Blank is not the only "high level guild". 10 guilds 'a 33 players = 330 players. Add alts to that and you might pass the 1000 accounts barrier.
My friendlist used to be full. 38 people on it quit theese past 2 weeks. Now its almost empty.

Its looking really bad.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 13:49

Saw the post from Cap so thought I'd add my two cents. I started playing Dofus about 20 months ago. Liked the game and trained a 3 man team on Rosal 15x iop/13x eni/12x agil sram. Then Ankama had all kinds of major technical difficulty, what with the major lag (like pings off the charts) and "rollbacks" of last spring. So when they opened Solar, after about two weeks I figured I'd start over. 9 months later 194 sac/189eni/187crit cra team on Solar. I got really frustrated trying to drop for end gear, example: 39 Lechoque fights to drop beard and still no scrawny, 41 Firefoux dungeon runs and only 9 fabs and 1 tail. Suddenly a 3hr grind to Not drop was just a pain.
AND NOW THIS CRAP! Even if i wanted to go back to Solar and maybe make 200 the sac is nerfed. Quite frankly MY ASS HURTS. I feel like a hung-over, used and abused prom queen who got trained by the football team after being roofied. Oh well guess I will have to find something productive to do.

Spike

Well said, youb.
Pity I think Ankama gives a sh*t (again) four your/our voice and take back all those stupid changes.

Even when Terra Incognita is a much lower guild, we also had many quitters within the last year (compared to once 32 active members 10 quitters is a lot.) Their reason also was boredom, all that stupid nerfs and no new exiting content.
Also my own motivation has gone back about 90% and a few days after 1.27 comes out my subscription runs out. This might be another 5 paid accounts Ankam will lose.

I think Dofus is dieing slowly and just taking it's last few breathes...

aK-cra / Ripsi / Troffleman / Lagoth-Zanta / Brilhasti
dofussing since August 2005

This post has been edited by festering-pit: 28 Mar 2009, 14:25

LOL My 2 cents.


I was waiting for someone to bring this up!

I'm not currently running epic chars but I agree with the statement.

Even wow has added content for there epic lvl players.

Not to mention the fact that they still haven't fixed the current content they have.

ie. dead cells, cities full of abandoned houses, lag & disconnect issues ect.

It would be nice to have a stable game.

Ankama please stop trying to go in 6 different directions at once & deal with what you got.
(A growing number of tired & fed up players)

Thanx
Xarros

A suggestion for high-end dungeon that I feel is unique and would give 200s something to enjoy again
http://forum.dofus.com/en/game-development...eon-t72946.html

I have respect for Blank and what they accomplsh in game - however with each great change, players say that they quit, never return, etc, and in a few months, when everyone else has regained balance from update, those players see the game is not dead, return, life returns to same as always.

With so much shares - not just Blank, seems all high guilds share - even if a player quit for good, likely their account goes on in other hands, everyone used to others playing account, hard for community to tell the difference when high level truly quits.

They're not complaining that the game is broken. Medgix even conceded that the update is good for lower level characters. They're saying the game is being changed so much that all the effort they put in has been undone and they're not sure they want to start a ton of new sets for all their characters and that they would appreciate it if their loyalty was rewarded with new content so they could stay interested.

But you are missing the picture... They already sold their equips, and the people they shared with quit as well. They arent coming back, otherwise I wouldn't be so frustrated as I am. I've been through each and single one of theese updates, but this one is really making people quit. With our friends gone, what will be the reason for us to keep playing?

I drinked too much

This post has been edited by II-Mato-II: 29 Mar 2009, 17:22

Heroic is even in a worse state .... add the fact that even more people quit when they die and your gonna get left out with well .. no one playing.

Yeah I can imagine heroic dying... What a total blow :\...

Hi youbi <3 nice topic ^^

got things to say : -

1) Dofus is dieing .

2) Good players quiting .

3) Ankama dont care? they just want to destroy the game for us ..?

4) Paying and spending all this time to play and u ankama comes now and changeing new things ? all this years now u come and change?

5) Oki ppl who payed for there alts just now and they got (8)accounts they just throw them away bcoz max account opening or limited 5accounts only? ok mabey He/She dont want to play with any1 He/She wants to play alone . All the time alone dont need pplz help He/She had 8accounts and this poor guy/girl what going to do alone?throw his/her char just like that? + sac's will be nerf fighting tot b4 take's like 18mins now 1hour in test server.... lol?

6) If ppl rich they wana do like 20+accounts .. whats the problem with it ? its there money why u feeling bad about it ? u getting the money u getting richr bcoz ppl paying ... * I Think we got what we want lets try and see ppl reactions now *?


I Really dont know what to say ppl paid and working all day long getting money for paying for u ANKAMA and in the end u changeing things and make it worest .. and u dont care at all , meh u have the right u got what u want now dofus all over the world now , but u dont lisn and read what ppl write's ...

*quit*

???200 , ???200 , ???199 , ???199 , ???19x

cya ..

This post has been edited by mkz: 28 Mar 2009, 16:45

For the first time since beta I am seriously considering quitting Dofus due to an update. I am an "epic lvl player." I've leveled three characters from lvl 1 to lvl 200, a fourth char to 196. I pay for 8 accounts personally, I have characters ranging from lvl 30 to lvl 200. I've happily adjusted to all previous updates.

But this one is too much.

My sacrier is my love - I've been playing her on beta, I don't even recognize her anymore. This is not a matter of adjusting, this is a matter of being forced to play a totally different character.

I just sold the set my eni will need after this update ffs.

When I want to start over, I make a new character (yeah yeah, not all of you can afford that but I can). I do not want to start over on a character I've spent 4 years on.

I was already suffering from the first pangs of boredom, fighting it by staying busy, hoping for new content to pique my interest anew.

And to the person who blew this off saying everyone complains about changes, then everyone adjusts - perhaps that is true of past updates. At the worse most of those who complained quit their current characters and switched to another. But this time people are quitting before the update even happens. And these people are my friends, the people I grew up with in this game, the now epic players.

Ankama is a business. They will adjust their game to suit their biggest group of members. Yes, there are quite a few epic players now, but so so many more mid level and lower level. Ankama is willing to sacrifice the few to please the many. Ok Ankama, I do understand you have a business to run. The loss of 500 or so epic players means nothing to you in the whole scheme of things.

As such, I expect I will be saying good-bye to Dofus.

just to correct alot of you...
EVERYONE (with the exception of noob lvl characters) are super upset about the update.
with the 10% unhealable damage mid to high lvl players with end up having to spend more kamas on healing items (thus increasing the popularity of kama sellers) and with the huge limitation set of Eniripsa and Sacrier most high lvl dungeons will be for lvl 190+ characters, who (ironicly) are quitting...
The additionally I feel as if Ankama is punishing Sacrier for having such high health...because all of our stats just so happen to start at 300 so why should we get high health too right? >.>
I am not quiting but I assure you that everyone over lvl 100 is outraged at how hard it will be to adjust to a game that changed (literally) over night.

P.S.
Anyone get the feeling that damage-build Sacrier will be the new "in" PvM build?

I've decided to go against Ankama on this and I'm contacting several gaming magazines/sites to explain our view on this matter.
As I've played since beta I've experienced each and every single one of the changes made during the years. I know the history and I've decided to share it with the rest of the world. Ankama doesn't listen to us, but perhaps they will listen to theese people.
4 years and the game is still not through beta stage. The most loyal and epic level players are getting screwed over and a majority of the multiclienters are getting robbed of their money with the new "5 account limit".

• GamePro
• GameInformer.com
• Beckett Massive Online
• GamerMagazine
• Pc Gamer
• GamerZines.com
• Game Developer Magazine
• 1up.com
• IGN.com
• InsideMacGames
• GameSpot.com
• GameTrailers.com
• GameFaqs.com
• G4Tv.com
• TentonHammer.com

If you know another big game magazine or gaming site that might be intrested in the history of this game, don't hesitate to contact me.

Believe me, I'm gonna throw some sense into the devolopers no matter what it takes me.
Edit: You might wonder how I'll pull this through. I already started writing them and I'm going to direct theese magazines to the most influent dofus players on each server.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 21:35

Why is Ankama 'fixing' a system that doesn't need to be fixed or changed? Why don't they concentrate on 2.0 or whatever, or fix things that actually DO NEED to get fixed and changed?

Well Said Youb....Well Said....

Thanks for taking a stand for the people who play Dofus, and spend alot of their hard earned money into this.

They are basically saying "Fuck Your Needs...but give us your money anyway"

Im not an epic lv Im only 125, but still Ankama needs to stop playing with themselves and realize that its not whatever they want for the game, its what WE want for the game. Cause Youb is right... we are the game... Unless Ankama can get hundreds of thousands and dollars from their own pocket, they should start paying attention to the people that give it to them.

I agree with youb, Not because of im a Blank member, Dofus was great when I started to play in 2005 since then. They have been chaning all good things to the wrong side. They maybe think its good but I totally dont like the new changes they made and This time thay made it more wrose. So to Ankama My request will be Please dont make the game from PVM to PVP.

Thanks to all

Thank u butsu for making this post I believe that u r only 1 who can change those idiots minds about next update. I've been thinking of quitting too...like many many else :S

Terasbetoni,leader of UtE

I appricate all the comments this topic is getting, and let me remind you that the more links I get to gaming sites and gaming magazines the better. I'm having this whole thing translated for the french community as well, as I know that there are french gaming magazines and sites as well that would be intrested to hear about our view in this matter. With some help from theese hardcore players we might get our voices heard as international players for the first time. I'm tired of getting ignored and pushed around without beeing abled to raise my voice with valid points or frustration for that matter.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 20:11

5 account limit is bullshit, that is just basic costumer service denial.
same shit with "payment" problems and IP block.

on the upcoming update tho I wont agree
I love the most of it, my eni get a boost, feca 199 huby is happy, yep I'll have to re-learn to play my sacrier and regear, enutrof w/e I just hope they dont nerf corruption, panda extra-fun, and my int eca is goint to see a lot of copycat (f*** you all I was the first lol)

see it may not occur to you "the big famous high levels" but a lot of high level payers are loving the changes. and they are not a minority despite what you can think.
(high starting from 150)
yeah it's sad there is still no new content, but the game changes arent less exciting because of it.

sacrier and iops playing tactical? eni loosing their invicibility? dodge locking getting smarter?
that's the dofus we are getting and I'm damn happy about it.

haloa 1.27

C-TuC eni 199, sac 196, enu 196, panda 195, eca 199

Amen to that. I agree with the entire topic, and I'm really glad someone decided to do something about the end of Dofus... errr I mean 1.27

I know I didn't because I had things to do -picks dirt out from under nails-



*Travis

Youb.

Its not like a magazine type...

But you can try www.gamespot.com and www.gametrailers.com

They do reveiws and news and others things of the gaming sort.

Well I'm sure EVERYONE knows my point of view by now, nice to see some other epic level characters have joined the course! I totally agree with you youb' and have been fighting against this update every step of the way since it was released in testing. I guess when it comes I'll be quitting too taking my two accounts and not re-subbing. Plus I'm sick to death of having my posts removed from this forum that speak out against these changes, I've even been banned once for sticking up for my class.

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

This post has been edited by RaelCleapIVI: 28 Mar 2009, 20:46

Honestly glad you like it, but it should have been here 4 years ago and not now. That is a problem.

post this EXACT thing in french on the french forum and something may actually happen. saying it on here wont do anything. most of ankama prob dont even speak english.

i agree with u 100%

haha i dont see KA trying to argue with one of if not THE most experienced dofus player of all time... literally

This post has been edited by killerfurby: 28 Mar 2009, 20:59

Actually Killer, I've contacted a guild over at Jiva that our guild is exchanging info with. The french community will get this whole topic translated and I'm getting help contacting french sites and magazines. It's about time someone dares to stand up. Worst thing they can do is to ban me, but I will still get my voice heard and I won't give up until I get some information, explanations and excuses. Afterall, the game isn't apealing to me right now anyway.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 21:04

ive heard that even on the french forum there is a HUGE disgust about this update. even more than on this forum. so tbh it may not actually happen.

ive also been playing since beta. im not quite as high as u lol i was only a 15o xelor but i gave that up when they ruined wis xelors. now i just play heroic. seems more interesting than rushu atm.

ive only got 19 days of subscription left thank god. i for one most likely will not be resubscribing if this takes into effect.

i like some of the things. like new challenges/ new alignment quests (tho im annoyed that its only 10. 10???? after 3 and half years they do 10?)

what i dont get is that how could they not have predicted that this will upset the vast amount of players. its changing the who game.

no excuses really. no other mmporg does this. runescape tried but they realized how bad it was. i think i may just go back to ff11. would do wow but for some reason it doesnt work on my laptop

the main things i think should have been in the game from the very start or within the first year are all 100 alignment quests, all the 'real' dofuses in the game... i mean come on, the whole point of the game is to collect the 6 dofuses. that IS the reason for the game. but after nearly 4 years there is still only 4 in? no excuses.
and i want my god damn pellet sling

This post has been edited by killerfurby: 28 Mar 2009, 21:25

I see where you are coming with all of your complains.

Despite the fact that I just LOVE the update. I recognize that it's too much change at once, ankama is trying to fix things that should have been fixed during beta, but since it's been 4 years already, I think it would be better to leave things as is.

Some changes, like the Punishment being based on how much dmg the sac took, are quite understandable. However, changing how punishments (buffs) work completely change the game, and some people (like yourself) simply won't adapt to the changes (which is totally understandable)

The only thing I can say is:

Keep doing what you are doing, complain until Ankama's ears start to bleed. 1.26 was supposed to be the "Feca-killer" update, but we got together and reversed some changes, I think now it's time for sacriers to do that.

Anyway, good luck with it. And if I may suggest something... Even if the changes are implemented, try to stick around, and instead of having a godly one-man-army try doing things with other people (thought this will be hard for some like you, that already did most of what the game can offer)

Scrier 186 feca, 164 panda, 144 enu, 100 osa

This post has been edited by annebacker: 28 Mar 2009, 21:45

Sadly, no matter how much we complain this update will still happen. Only after they go through with this and see how much money and how many customers they lose they will probably go back and change it.....after a few months.

Really, I think they should change the feca/eni/sac back to the way they were (though if the sac's punishment lasted 5 turns and the bonuses were inf. that would be awesome). And instead of trying to rebalance the classes, which they are sort of failing at now, they should give us some new content, such as the ice continent and Dofus 2.0, and things for players who have reached lvls 190-200. A dungeon and maybe another area with stronger monsters would be nice. And they need to add in the other real dofuses!

I'm sure everyone would be happy then, or at least most people would be happy.

This post has been edited by Harut: 28 Mar 2009, 21:46

dont forget sram.

Good post =). I would keep doing stuff with my friends and guildees if they werent dropping like flies thanks to this update. Ok, we might be abled to reverse some change but what about the people liking those changes then? Then they get stomped at. It's just like you wrote, alot of theese changes had to happend but not all of them and specialy not all at once. Dofus will slowly die if the devolopers doesn't start listening to us. And with the bad commercial coming up it wont be getting any better. Lets see who knows better, those who play the game or those who write it - the war is on.

Good Luck. (for once I'm not being sarcastic)

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

I am not quite epic, but I am high level...

I am seriously considering not resubbing my characters. I've played on the test server, and the test server is simply not the game that I originally started playing. Sure, it's a vaguely interesting game still, but it's not quite the game I want to play. The sac change, in my opinion, goes too far. It is not even the same class anymore.

I see the 10% hp and the change to dodgelocking as restricting what I can do in game, and putting some dungeons out of my reach. The fact is simply that if the update goes through I will be able to do less in game than I can now. That is ridiculous.

I should have quit a long time ago. It has been a long time since the game itself stopped me from resubscribing. My friends and my girlfriend are what has kept me to the game. I still play, even though it is now only occasionally. Became a parent and at the same time grew bored of the game staying the same, despite Ankama's "efforts". Anyways...

I started playing during beta testing. Back then the game had alot of.. shall we say charm. Everything was new to everyone and exploring and learning was a big part of gameplay. Heck, leaving Tainela was a big step! The game evolved quickly at that time. I was too much of a noob to know if most of the present game existed at that time (excluding what was added with updates, like otomai etc), but i had new things to find for a long time. Then, at about level 140 or so, when "all" mobs had been beaten and "all" maps discovered, the game started to mean less and less to me. I shifted from playing the game to playing with my friends. New stuff was added later on and i loved it, but too little and too late. The world of 12 is simply too small to keep one busy and interested for a long time. Open your dofus map and zoom out so you can see the whole continent. Now imagine if it was twice that size, or more! Sure, you would grow tired eventually, but you would have so much more to do. Ice continent, the overhyped new never-to-arrive part of the game - when it arrives it will probably keep you busy for another couple of months or so, like otomai. Then what? Dofus 2.0 - yay, great! New looks and a new feel to it - but still the same, boring content. Will this keep you playing? Probably not. I bet Ankama will add more to pvp, but meh. Dofus is man vs. Gobball. Not man vs. man. If you want the latter, play tekken or something.

What i am saying is that Dofus is missing content. We need more worlds, more maps, more mobs and more drops - meaning more equips and more different char builds. I can not understand how they can not release more content. There is alot of stuff created but not implemented, like the said slingshot. And what about /pipo? For four years it has been kept to one or a few people. Implement it to everyone and make it interesting to fight for it. Alignment quests, add another 10 after all this time? Should i cry or should i... quit? Bunuses are not even interesting anymore.

Dofus will never come out of beta state. We will stay disappointed.


Edit: i did not mention the update. that's because it is not what this is about, to me. players always quit when things change, and that is sad. but i find the coming update quite interesting and in some parts thought through and needed. but, as stated, too late. let's pray the most upsetting changes don't go through, after all most of us like playing. With friends, not the game.

This post has been edited by elak: 28 Mar 2009, 23:28

Hello there, I agree with the content issues, serriously, I can list the dungeons/monsters I have not fought on one hand Gigantic Kralove, thats it (the door is prehaps the only thing stopping me there) My Main is a 199 Sac I'm not scrolled and I have 3 alts, Saddia,Eni and an Osa.. I'm getting bored. I there are no boundries to cross.. I'm not going to quit just yet, but frankly, I'm hanging out for something interesting grinding is kinda...yeap same ol' strangely , being grinding ^^
frankly at the momment, the only interesting thing I am doing is breeding turkeys.. meeeeeh

We really do need some new content the ice expantion, or the battle zones idea..
I'm a mixed bag with the changes, I've given my opinion in other places about that..
So yeah...
lets get with some expansions please

This post has been edited by TehFrogpince: 28 Mar 2009, 23:40

Then I'd say you are oblivious to the damage being done and very much doubt you have even tested the changes. The majority who have will tell you they are the worst thing to happen to dofus yet!

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

This post has been edited by RaelCleapIVI: 28 Mar 2009, 23:42

Actually I have been playing arround a bit on the test, I listed my opinion of the changes to sacs on the Sac forum.. for me they are not so big a kick to the teeth as prehaps others.. I would say more, but there is another thread about that. for me it will not be as big a change.

I've only been playing for about a year now so I can't complain too much about the content of the game. There's still a lot I've yet to explore in the world of twelve, but for those who have been playing for as long as some have I can't even imagine how frustrating it would be. Now on with my point.

I agree with them wanting to balance out the classes, but they're going about it in entirely the wrong way.

Rather than adding stuff to a class to make it stronger they add a smidge here and there to them making them slightly better than take away from another class. It just doesn't make sense in any way shape form or fashion. I mean come on is there any person who plays the game that would complain if their character was made stronger? Hey lets say for example if you're playing a Cra and you happen to be fighting something or someone with a ton of hp. Wouldn't you like oh say a spell that would do damage based on the amount of hp your opponent had? Sort of like the coutner "Punishment".

That's the kind of balancing they should be doing, but I don't think it will ever happen. Doesn't that seem to make a bit more sense? It does to me any way.

On a personal ranting level I play as a duo with a friend of mine who is a Cra, for us it's just the most fun that way. Because of this we tend to use summons a bit more than your average player and for me in particular I've fallen in love with my Flying Sword. That baby has pulled my but out of the fire more than once...finsihed off the Wabbit Castle with that bad boy...and with this 10% unhealable damage it's going to be next to useless since now he wont be able to heal himself completely. Are there any other summons out there that heal themselves? If so I feel sorry for people who actually use them...the game just go a bit harder for us and for no reason.

Luckily for me my subscription runs out 7 days after the update so I'll have that week to screw around with my Sacrier and see what I can do....yeah yeah I already know it's going to end up 4 hours and then I'll be done with Dofus and moving on to another game.

This post has been edited by BigVtech: 28 Mar 2009, 23:57

199Sac Bloodwalker (4%)
192Saddia Bloodypath
162Eni BloodyDreams
106 Osa Bloodroyal

I have been playing since before pandala

This post has been edited by TehFrogpince: 29 Mar 2009, 00:23

Keep this flamefree please ^^;. There are alot of players that agree to these changes, they are not at fault for thinking that way. He was pittying you for not agreeing with this system, he doesnt like the fact that you feel you are getting screwed over. Ankama is at fault for rewriting 2 classes entirely and beeing completely ignorant towards their customers.

i am another that will quit because of this update changes are ok but not changing everything as stated by youb







171iop 135 sac 126 eni

I am by no means an epic level player, I am a level 105 eni, but I havent played dofus for 3 moths(no comp) so ive only read about new challenges, 5 hea;th per level, and the 21st spells. The more health should make enis STRONGER, since now they wont be one hit koed at my lvel, and ill just heal up. whats the 10%unhealable health or whatever. and sac get more health, which is good, and fecas, so why are people saying that they are now useless. this may not be the best place to ask, but i started playing dofus 3 years ago, for amonthe stopped then for 2 years bee playing on and off, but a lot of tht time was deciding which class to play etc. So Ive been playing for 9 months , and averages time leveler, cause im leveling professions etc. But atm, i really want to level, so If dofus is really crap for epic level players, especially enis, I want to know(and please could someone explain it to me, not just say "yes". Thanks.

I would like to refer you to theese forums but lets face it, the majority of players lurking around here are people not knowing much about the game.
Instead, as you are intrested in reading how this will effect players at higher levels you should read this:
http://www.impsvillage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=52

There you have the higher level / epic level players posting their own experiences with this upcoming update.

Nice post Medgix. Im usually the optimist, everyone thinks i look at things too optimistically. But for this update i cannot find too many good things on it. My last hope for changing this update was that 1.26 almost ruined feca's and they made some changes and now they are not too bad. Maybe everyone else will change this. My feca was a extremely low level 65. I felt a pang of remorse from having to start over (i've played since beta, but i took huge breaks in between) i can see the level 200's on the verge of a mental breakdown. Im starting over as an ecaflip, can't do too much about the update, im cutting off my subscribtion channel until this mess gets sorted our.

My friend list are cleaned out, My Guild: Knights of Amnaka is seeing the best of this update and i wish i could join them, but i am taking to hard of a hit (any of my guildmates reading this Im that feca that whines about the update 24/6 ). After looking at this for a few hours i seems i could go along with the update with only a medium-hit. Still nothing im proud of.

I can't go on with dofus, ill see through this update with the best of my ability but if we get a huge nerf like this again dofus is getting recycled off my computer. I've been through so many eras of dofus and I can only classify this as the Death Era.My friend list is now at least half cleaned out. My virtual wife has quit. I panged through the feca-killer era (though i did get some relief from the 8 turn duration), but this update is killing my patience i am on the verge of quitting dofus and another update with a big nerf will push be over the edge. My patience for dofus is already handing on a thread.

The heroic server will be mostly dead. Seeing as i am only level 65, ehm was, My opinon will not go very far. Amnaka has done the best it can, i've seen the purpose of every other update. The only reason i can see for this update is many people thinking classes are overpowerd. Now let me tell you this, Every class is overpowered if you do not have tatics. My 65 feca could be killed by almost every other class thats 15 levels below me. Would i whine? No, i see why, my potiential is not reached until level 70 and i didnt even have a staff at the time. To me every class was overpowered.


I will hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.



Putting my money on prepare for the worst.







,SolarBlur

Beta Player

If you pulled your head from wherever you store it long enough to see some light you would know I was trying to address the Sacrier issue of being particularly affected by unrecoverable hit points long before one of if not THE most experienced Dofus players of all time... literally... begin to offer up his thoughts and comments related to this update.

Perhaps they weren't the best solutions on offer, but they sure beat the posts of empty negativity that you have brought forth, and the absolute nil effort I have seen you make in trying to offer solutions, being too busy I suppose in your self-admitted crusade to boost your post count to offer detailed suggestions of substance.

That youbutsu has many 200 level characters and is the leader of Blank doesn’t impress me. Running a large guild and having big numbers beside your name doesn’t cut it with me.

However, his posts on the forum are indicative of a person that is at least thoughtful and can present his positions well, and to be generally not given to making foolish remarks. On this forum, these are sadly remarkably rare qualities. He has also demonstrated an openness and understanding to the viewpoints of others, even those that do not match his own… another equally rare quality on this forum. That does impress me.

If youbutsu says something I feel to be absolutely ridiculous I will respond to it, just as I would respond to any other member of this forum. Given the history of his posts on other issues, I don’t expect to see him do so.

This post has been edited by KA-Dofus: 29 Mar 2009, 07:32

You and me both K.A., but I think my temper gets a little more frayed as this goes on. Maybe that's because it effects my class more. I have also been following all debates ect, even though haven't been commenting on them all. I guess I'm a little more brutal in my approach (just the way I am, its counter productive to my course, but meh).

I would like to think there will be a resolution for the classes getting hit with the nerf stick hard, but I doubt there will be.

I feel Like my class has fallen out of the nerf tree and hit every branch on the way down, and when at the bottom ankamma beat me with the nerf stick just so my class could pass ankammas "VISION" (lmao).

Although my debate /argument depending on who I respond too falls mainly on blind readers eyes. My attempts at presenting facts gets draw out with rage induced by this update. My main upset would be never being paired with fecca allies again (a lot of my in game friends where feccas, they already quit). Plus the fact end game content and decent leveling will become a thing of a past for me. Solo leveling being uber expensive and my resentment to the adaptability to the changes to the class I play being implausible. Ankamma have until the 7th to appease the masses of end game players otherwise I feel there will be a lot of us that walk.

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

This post has been edited by RaelCleapIVI: 29 Mar 2009, 12:02

(in regards to the emboldened) I would just like to say that the contract you agreed with ankamma when you started playing does not cover this restriction. It is a breach of there own terms of service and as such you are liable to sue. As it is a form of robbery, it is entirely up to you if ANY multiaccounters have the money or time to chase this matter. But you are being robbed and as such you have your legal rights to hold ankamma accountable! If you don't believe me get a copy of the terms of service (inside your client) and speak to a solicitor or lawyer. They will tell you the same.

Lets Start by saying I don't like the drastic nature of the changes. One or 2 things at a time pls, give us time to adapt slowly instead of shooting characters in the head.

Two simple rules nearly all successful businesses follow.

K.I.S.S - Keep It Simple Stupid. The more complex you make the game the less people can focus on the things they really like. Change is good, but don't change the things that make the game what it is.


20/80 - 20% of the things you do, give you 80% of things you want. In business the general rule of thumb is that 20% of your product spread gives you 80% of your revenue. 20% of dofus is the reason we play it.

Change needs to conform to the attitudes of the people. Beta was the smartest thing amakna did. Now learn from your players.

Slow down the madness, and give the people the new content they have been asking for all these months/year. Don't reinvent your core business overnight, you will die.

Collateralsense

I fully agree with you, youb.
I play in a group of 4 people (myself including) which all in all.. is over 10 accounts as we all have alts.
We have already stopped playing pretty much and rarely play as it is now - whats the point? wasting time on levelling our new alt to 100 if they are ruining everything that we loved about the game anyway.. I am led to believe atleast 3 or 4 further people in my guild are quitting.
Good job Ankama.

-suffokate

mine and my bf's characters:
191 sadida, 149 panda, 149 sram, 171 eni, 175 xelor, 9x eca
rest of group..
190 feca, 182 sac, 16x sram, 14x cra, 13x eni, 4x panda

This post has been edited by quinne: 29 Mar 2009, 15:33

Well I have something we can talk about....

In my understanding BETA is for testing, re-assessing, trying stuff out and finding out what doesn't work etc..

BUT and its a f%$&#$g HUGE BUT

MODS and Smart Alecs like KA-Dofus say shit like 'Oh yes, but its only BETA it's 'not set in stone'... this is a blantant lie.

If that really was the case WHY IS IT PLASTERED AS 'NEWS' all over their Website.. your kidding yourself if they are going to listen to us and go back on their changes.

I haven't really been following up on Wakfu over the last 12 months, but I can't help thinking they want us old players to leave the game and move onto that.

I must admit myself and YouB haven't always seen eye to eye in the past, but I can relate to most of what he says and wish him luck in this 'campaign'. And wow even Hatsu is upset

Edit: I was unaware about the 5 Character Limit per IP - thumbs up for that! It sucks seeing a full group of 19xs hitting a perc together (eg. zoidbergs team played by whoever feels like it) or the Phil Collins Fan Club hitting bworker 50 times a day... although its too late for many single vs multi-clienting is an area that should have been addressed many years ago - it would seem the majority of players (even actively encouraged) have alts these days including me (1 Eni) and this has isolated people over time. When I first played Dofus I would ALWAYS be with 7 other players doing Blacksmith (for example) or fighting Dark Treechind .. times have changed so much.

This is what I would do.

1. Get new content out QUICK.
2. Yes, more challenges.
3. Yes, special spells and alignment quests.
4. Allow us to defend a perc whilst in a dungeon you are alienating 99% of the guilds who want to place percs.
5. Fergot about new gear, there is enough for all levels 1-200.
6. Fine, sort out AI.
7. Leave central systems like Dodge and MP/AP alone.
8. Nerf class spells which everyone knows are overpowered even the freaks who play these characters and abuse it, eg. Smooth Bramble (should be dodgeable), Sram Invisibility - the pet hate of every other class and Punishment.
9. Yes, I can live with the Uncurable Heals, but 10%!
10. The aim of the game is to collect all the Dofi, but you make it near impossible. Either increase the drop rates or even better have a system like eg. Take 120 Dragon Pig souls to NPC XYZ and receive the Dofus - a solid goal to aim for.
10. Admit you was wrong about Sacriers and stay the well away.

This post has been edited by RikkiL: 29 Mar 2009, 16:33

dont forget, actually add the ALL the real dofuses to the game. like you said, the the aim of the game. yet after nearly 4 years only 4/6 are actually IN the game. seriously. what excuses can be given for that? that should have been number 1 on the 'to do' list when creating the game.

Yeah, and I think they should a little easier to acquire as well. I know such a change might piss off players who worked their asses off to get the Dofuses they have, but I think something needs to be done.

well im never thought for one second id ever get one.

and if u think about it very few really worked there asses off. they just got lucky.

+1 killer for makeing off top ... i think its about kickins asses of high-level-hard-working-8-account-players not about how does prospecting works ^^

You are the one making a blatant lie here RikkiL, though its nowhere near the fist time you have misrepresented my views.

I have never said that this update is 'not set in stone' or anything of the like. At least try to get your facts straight before throwing your accusations around, if even only to enjoy the novelty of it.

The overall plan of the developers for this update I believe not to be malleable. However, what may yet change is some of the details of that application, as those details "PLASTERED ALL OVER THE BOARDS" have undergone several changes in the test process, not always for the better.

If the right changes are made in the right way the outcome may yet be much more satisfactory then what can be anticipated from the current state of the modifications on test.

This post has been edited by KA-Dofus: 29 Mar 2009, 19:48

Its understandable that your temper is getting frayed from this update, especially in light to the extensive modifications to your class, but also other elements of the change as well. I am not at all surprised by the strength of your expression.

For a brief time we were in the same guild, one that had a wide level disparity in the level of characters allowed within. I recall the passion you had for your Sacrier and I dare say pride. I could hear it in your voice as you spoke over vent, when discussing Sacrier builds and strategy with others of the class in the guild. I know of the extensive amount of work you put into your Sacrier, the clever strategies you had developed, many of which centered on the elements of the class now being torn from it.

It is no shock to me that what I see to be the passion that went into creating your Sacrier would be equally displayed in your efforts to try to defend the class from the sweeping changes to its very foundation being proposed in this update, and what appear to be ever closer to implementation.

Unwarranted outbursts aren't Youbutsu's style, so I think it's quite worth listening when he decides he has something to say.

Perhaps this is a simple matter of too much, too fast. I wish this update came with the assurance that this was the last drastic restructuring before the implementation of 2.0, and that 2.0 would be released in, say, June. But it didn't. These changes individually, with the exception of the Sacrier shuffling, aren't necessarily earth-shattering, but the sheer volume in this update is quite overwhelming.

I'm not one to judge such things before I can fully grasp the side-effects, but I can recognize how simply dumping an essay's worth of mechanics changes can frighten and shock players, especially ones who haven't been playing that long. I myself have been playing since 2006, and have watched and been the target of my share of changes, and I tried to re-learn how to play each time. I will say that it's easier now. Before Otomai's Island, one would have to create an entirely new character in order to change builds. Even so, epic level gear is extremely taxing to get and improve if necessary.

But the thing that is really bothering some of us isn't just the changes, it's that these changes keep coming, with no forecast as to when 2.0, and thus, new areas, monsters, crafts, and so forth ("content," if you will) are to be expected. I think the community is tired of the indefinite beta, and hungry for actual further expansion.

What about this (weird?) opinion:
2.0 is a huge lie.
It was never really planned nor is it in development. The whole "2.0 will make everything better" babbling is only a fake.
Ankama just brought out a statement of 2.0 to calm down the existing players and as an apologise for not caring about the 1.x version enough anymore.
This sounds paranoid? Yes, maybe. But when you count 1 and 1 together (2.0 ist only a graphical update) vs. (2.0 will change the whole game style and mechanics) it seems as if Ankama themselves don't even know what they claim to work on and may sound a bit plausible, too.
In other words: Don't trust Ankama further than you could puke a Bowling ball without any problems.

[/paranoia]

So the beta 2.0 people played at the recent convention never happened, right?

It seems like lichen and the developers want to get the mechanics of Dofus pretty well straightened out before they code them into 2.0, to avoid over patching too early.

This post has been edited by Sljm: 29 Mar 2009, 23:09

Most of those "nerfs" that players are wining are not actualy nerfs. It's more like Ankama improves PvP by cost of PvM wich most players don't like including myself and I cind'a like PvP and I do it quite a lot even though im a Cra(p)
Sacriers are almost unbeatable in PvP now. I'm a cra and I could kill 199 sac in 1.26 but in 1.27 theres just no way I can kill even 180.. Same thing goes for eni and their MP Coney... Feca is a pain in the ass even more then he was same thing goes for agi Srams even though they are wining about invisibility that it works too short wich I disagrea cause it's enough for him to get closer.
Cra got that quite useless special spell and only cause of the LoS........ New lashing and para arrow that give satisfaction mainly to a str build Cra. Agi build also was improved no doubt even after immediately retreat arrow nerf (yea because cras always were so overpowered and thats why we are complaining over those past 3-4 years). Hell im an int build and I rather to have destructove arrow on level 6 then magic arrow because i can do better damage with it... (263 magic 330 destructive). And even though cra is the weakest class (everyone knows that) we also had nerfs... max 2x explo per turn, 1 lashing per player or 2 on level 6, para arrow nerf cause of new AP/MP dodge system, absorbtive that won't heal you if you kill smth and fight ends...
Xelors had so many nerfs that they probably had a relieve they didn't have any this time and that they got verry good spell.

Other things I like? Major arachnee is finally recastable, (I'm sitting and thinking like 10 min now and I still don't know what elce) dopples (those you can kill in temples), new challenges
What I thought that I will like? New maging system... The one from 2009-03-23~ when you actualy could repair your items...
What I don't like? Maging system that is now in 1.27.... Its far worse then the one in 1.26. Example? I lost AP to an amulet in first try magging 1 summon (Kralomansion - succes but fail) or later I lost AP maging with Sa Rune.... It's more like you have 25% chance that you will mag something. You mag 1Ch and you lose 2dmg at the same time... You mag that AP and you lose 2range I could tell more about it but its not the rite place to do it I gess.
I don't like that big amount of bugs and gliches... You move and "WTF I'm back were I was but my spell cast area is were I moved"
I dont like that PvP is getting improved at PvM's expense

Edit.:
Oh yeah AND I DON'T LIKE Vitality-Initiative!!!
On which planet a heavy armored tank is faster then F1 bolid? Franceopia?

This post has been edited by ViolatorPL: 30 Mar 2009, 05:44

Honestly, I don't see what all the moaning and groaning is about...

So you're epic, level 200. What is there to do? Well... not much...

"We want something different, we want something fresh, and new. We want to see more additions to the game, new content, new strats to use and new ways to assemble teams."

You got it. Got your additions, new content, new methods of fighting. Character classes have been thoroughly examined and thought-through. Once over-powered classes or attacks/strats become redesigned, remastered. The class balance is still beautifully orchestrated and harmonizes perfectly in-game. Once unfair advantages become equal handicaps. Take the sword from the iop, and the wand from the eni, and give them both a redesigned host of spell effects that equal each class's power making fights more balanced, more tactical, and more fun.

So the eni's can't bust out infinite healing, the sacs can't grow to be unfathomably powerful, and your equipment roster may need a bit of an overhaul.

But seriously? What else do you have to do?

You're level 200, you don't have any levels to gain. You're already as strong as you will ever be, so why the complaining that the spells you're so bored with are getting a very well thought-out, very thoroughly designed update?

Seriously, I think you epics need to get over your rock-tossing auras and just trust Ankama with their new update. They're not idiots, they ARE listening to you, they owe you their salary on your very dedicated support. I honestly think that such a fat-cat company like Ankama with their 1.5 million + subscribers knows what they're doing. They are the ones who made it all happen in the first place, I think they know how their updates will affect the game that THEY designed specifically with YOUR best interest in mind.

It's been 4 years since they promised you a flashy update? Well lets look at some games that, should the fans not have been screaming, would have been great if the developers would have made the game exactly what they wanted it to be.

Halo 2 is a perfect example. Halo 2 is a shadow of what it was promised to be, and should have been, and they have their fanbase to thank for it. All the additions and updates Bungie promised their adoring fans had to be left for dead once they realized what riot would have ensued had they pushed the deadline any further.

If Ankama hasn't released your long-awaited content filler, I would only assume that the company itself wasn't satisfied with their own product, and personally I thank them for their patience.

I trust Ankama, I have full confidence that the updates and changes will go well according to plan and, given enough embrace from the community, will even be beneficial to those epics out there who are tearing out their hair over an update that they can't find the means to stomach.

Just an opinion...

Why all the complaints? I m sure not everyone in your guild left because of changes. People grow older too u know (and get other things to do). And I didn t know they allowed u to use 5 chars max (which already is too much in my opinion (guess ankama thinks it s good money)).

Ankama not adding new content isn t true too. I ve seen them add pandala and otomai island, didn t I? Which consisted out of many new monsters and equips.

This update is just going to be on something else: trying to balance classes (except a sram pvp nerf )

DIE-HEREC +1

all level epic , take a easy, not cry -.-.is only game this update is rebalance the class , us need open the mind , adapting new experience with you characters, if you dont like, well, quittin and return to real life, or test other game , nobody is obligued to pay or yes?

Too the above three posts, I bet your below level 100. I also believe you haven't play tested the end game content, let alone been there in version 1.26. Go on post you levels, give us some input as to how to adapt our end game tactics so .....we can......ACTUALLY LEVEL AND ENJOY THE GAME! Not going to happen after this update. I do not wish to play a useless pvm character. That isn't just a complaint, THAT'S A COLD HARD FACT! After actually play testing end game stuff. I was subjective while testing, I spent hours trying to adapt in hard end game content. I tried many compositions to the team (ty those who helped). Guess what? It sucked, wasn't fun, cost more in consumerable goods like bread ect, took 5 times as long and we barely survived. Only reason we did was because the eca and iops are now overpowered.

Get some FACTS to back up your "Oh your just crying" Inflammatory posts. Because us end game players know what we are talking about. If you want your counter productive slur's to make this update go ahead more fool you when you hit epic level. There is no adaptation to these changes. If you tested it in end game content....YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!

EDIT: Nothing has been updated this morning, my class is still just as retarded as it was 5 days ago. Yeah they are really listening, yeah they really have out best interests in mind. If they did they would have left us well alone and given us some new BLOODY end game content!

Read page 3 and 4, nuff said!

French forum updates (translated)

Yeah they really listened to us! The dev's are clueless, they really are. *sarcasm*

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

This post has been edited by RaelCleapIVI: 30 Mar 2009, 12:04

well, 5 years of you life leve up one class... hurt, well i have character "EPIC LEVEL" i play 1.5 years of my life ... i see the first big chance , sadida, xelor, sram , much ppl say: "FUCK YOU ANKAMA, YOU RUIN MY LIFE NERF WISDOM XELOR" , other say ... "RUIN MY LIFE, SRAM NOW MAKE VISIBLE IN CLOSE COMBAT , WHILE THAT OTHER VERSION WITH DAGGER I AN ATTACK I CAN STILL INVISIBLE" . cmon is overpower ----> check the class---> some of case , need rebalance = ppl that use these class for years cry and better quit... (50% case) because have the mind close... but wait for the 1.27 official version, more later see that not is too bad, and not need cry for one stupidy of you mind

REMEMBER: nobody still force to play:P enjoy the game, not one job , only funny
if no like , well quit, and enjoy you life , do other think some sport o buy xbox or play3 and play with he online o try see you old friend, or girfriend much thing are important in this life

This post has been edited by jklsdhnlkjsdfh: 30 Mar 2009, 12:23

Yeah, you will be disapointed end game mate, pluss you didn't answer my question. What is your level? Did you even read my post? I don't think you did. You say that like i didn't play a xelor, I do, guess what? All it was was a range change. *sighs* This is the death of the sacrier and make no bones about it my little new pet forum troll. I will be going to the other game I play come the 7th if nothing changes for the BETTER. Yes I will quit and I am a man of my word and convictions!

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

This post has been edited by RaelCleapIVI: 30 Mar 2009, 12:23

3 character ... enutrof level 190... ecaflip 163... Cra 161... all time, i never take character overpower, because , someday rebalanced, is the rason because i cannot feel same that you, well i quit this game in sep 2007... but for one friend i check the page

Yeah you speak of rebalance yet, ecas get buffed (again), Iops get extremely overpowered (again buffed), Osa's get overpowered, not just buffed, but really overpowered (I play an osa too). Yet enis get nerfed, Srams get nerfed, Sacriers get nerfed to unusable in pvm. So the characters that needed balancing as in nerfing got buffed and the characters that where fine got nerfed. The only exception to this was the osa, But now they are more overpowered than ever. Begging the question ankamma, do they understand there own game? they say they do these changes to speed up fights, to make the game more fun. Well popular opinion on this forum says otherwise on both accounts. Its long winded, tedious, costly and most of all certainly not fun!

You may tell me to quit if I am not enjoying this game as it stands anymore....well I say this in response,

I pay to play, have done for 3 years, I haven't yet completed the game or character. The community is a driving force for this quite frankly "boring" game. The community is what keeps us here and the idea of completing our characters(200, dofus we want). I payed for the privilege. I did not pay for the death of the community and the death of team play for my character, the sacrier, the groups tank. My character can no longer tank or do decent damage. Is useless end game.

I laugh at ankamma for turning away there most loyal customers, level 200's that still subscribe and play because of the people they enjoy paying with. They have completed the game, no new content for a year for them to do. Now they limit them on how many alts they can have to keep them occupied (5 account restriction), no new playable content for a year and now this. Its idiotic from a business point of view, its us the consumers that pass the word to play this game. Its us the players at the top that don't need convincing to play, we are/where loyal to the company until it betrayed us so. The many that will leave if this update goes through will also be counter productive to ankammas growth because......

Jimmy: "I've been thinking about a new mmo to play as a hobby frank. I heard of this game called dofus. You used to play dofus didn't you frank? What's it like as a game?"

Frank: "Yes! Don't bother playing, they will ruin your character without notice and the end game content is dull and next to impossible now. But if you do play, play an eca, iop or panda. The other characters are now $%%£$! The pvp is unbalanced and the fights are long winded and dull."

Jimmy: "Oh I see, what level where you? How long did it take to level?"

Frank: "3 years mate, and I was level 200. Will take longer thanks to the continuous nerfs! You are better off going to world of warcraft or ragnarock. There better games as a whole and don't give negative experiences after a few years of loyal play."

Jimmy: "I see, guess I'll try world of warcraft then."

Frank: "Yeah its awesome man, so much to do I play this..........


Catch my drift? I have also been doing what the starter of this post has started doing, you see I know a few friends/programmers on the wow team and also as such have access to people who do magazines and write ups online. I will be forwarding my complaints to them. The wow programmers would love nothing better to pass on negative press about this game and have it published, it will generate more players to pay there paycheck. IIf the death of the sacrier comes, I intent to hit ankamma hard, where it hurts, in the wallet! If all of us take this stand well it will hopefully slap there arrogant faces into realizing that the famous phrase "The customer is always right" is right and start treating us with a little respect. There so out of touch with there own game, I blame the money, because when ankamma was a smaller company it tried harder and delivered. Now it thinks its bigger than its boots. It needs to learn the mass of customers won't take this, specially when they have payed to have there game play ruined! Not balanced, RUINED!

NUFF SAID!

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

This post has been edited by RaelCleapIVI: 30 Mar 2009, 14:32

at first...sry for my english...thx x.x

i can feel along with everybody here...because i'm think the same way...
these nerfs hitting us hard...very hard..

ankama itself seems to refuse creating some new areas or some new plots (quests )...
they just keep coming up with "class balancing"...

hell man...keep working on:

- creating new areas
- fixing bugs
- creating quests/plots
- DOFUS 2.0 ( " the most agonizing lie of ankama? " - statement from a ig friend )

why changing/fixing something where no change/fix is needed?
i can tell ya...i wont quit...because some of my friends will stay with me....but some of them allready decide to go...and i'll grieve about them...

So Long
Rebom ( from the german server nehra )
lvl 200er Xelor, 19X panda, 19X eni, 19X crâ ....

one add:
seems that no communitymanager really read this threat...because never read a post of them here....bad man...very bad man..

Wish you could submit our thoughts to the german players, too.
But there are too many blue eyed, obviously stupid and uninformed kids there (Not to mention these incompetent mods like jooh).
I tried several times to speak out how bad Ankama's work is with some issues (bugfixes, development, caring about your community, and finally 1.27...).
It is horrible to see how naive most of the german players are. Seems as if they could see to their glasses only and don't think about what is coming.

/edit:
"- DOFUS 2.0 ( " the most agonizing lie of ankama? " - statement from a ig friend )" - brother in thoughts <3

This post has been edited by festering-pit: 30 Mar 2009, 15:03

The next big update we were expecting to get after 1.5 years was supposed to be an explosion in New Content, not a restructuring of the game. We are disappointed that after all this time the best they could do was come up with “odd” class spells and destroy the way certain classes are played. The developers have already proven they can disable class spells in fights such as Skeunk, Kralove, Pandikaze Dungeon. And make it next to impossible for the all powerful sacrier class from being able to buff itself in Kimbo or Skeunk properly at the start of the fight so that the challenge of the “stage” itself has to be completed before the monotony of buffing and attacking can begin. I should add that these dungeons can just as easily be done without a sacrier at all. The higher levels who have done these dungeons know what I am talking about so to the rest please consider what you are going to say before you type it. The single reason for why sacriers are what they are today is because the Developers made them so. As youb pointed out, the potential of a sacrier’s abilities came into view when the Ghost mobs were introduced. These fights are still extremely hard to do without the current verion of the sacrier. I could go on about this but I have more to say.

The developers have also proven that the Eniripsa’s healing ability can be negated with the use of minus heals in dungeons like Ougaad. With some effort, the ankama team, if they ever choose to add more content, could easily limit the capacity of the concerning classes so that the changes they want to implement now would be unnecessary.

This leads me to think more and more about the monsters. Why not just give the monsters an overhaul instead of the classes. There are only a few high level dungeons so this wouldn’t exactly be a lot of work. Make the dungeons and even normal monsters harder to do if you actually want the game to be a challenge instead of ruining the characters. This would inflict minimal impact on the players yet giving them the benefit of fighting more challenging monsters.
The point of any game is to gain experience, gain power, and progress to higher levels of content. These three things I believe are at the top of any game. Ankama however, is seriously screwed in the head. Their logic is flawed beyond comparison. Saying that felt oh so good…

They have said these changes will make the fights faster and less dependent on the sacrier class but I do not see how that is at all possible. Any higher level who has beaten “all” the monsters including dungeons can tell you this update will do no such thing. They made the sacrier class as it is in 1.26 to make the fights faster, that was the single most important reason for having a sacrier in group when the ghosts were introduced. I doubt the ghost mobs will get any easier or faster after the update. The mindless grinding you have to do to achieve 200 “faster” requires a sacrier in the group. Any other way will in fact take “longer” no matter how uber the changes on other classes have become now…

While writing this post I have also come to a new realization. Reaching 200 is now supposed to be the end game not the start of another adventure. In any other online game like World of Warcraft and Everquest you get to do the most interesting things after you have reached the highest level. In dofus the new end game might as well be whatever level you complete all the dungeons at because you are not getting anything new for a long time… It now makes sense that they would want to boost the lower levels up and eliminate the possibility of doing things faster with a sacrier because it will inevitably take longer to reach 200. They have given attention to PvP so that more people focus on it and the game automatically becomes longer. I believe their new goal is that 200 seems impossible to reach so that before they have to add more content, old players have had enough with the game and feel like quitting.

The worst part is all the lower levels and even a few higher levels buying into their new update. All I have to say is that you guys wait around until you get screwed up in one of their future updates because their “fixing” is never ending.

P.S. I was able to log 8 accounts last week. I was able to log up to 5 accounts yesterday. I can now log up to 4 accounts today.

/miamist

This post has been edited by fainedeath: 30 Mar 2009, 17:20

xd... couple of posts deleted just as mine follow up

anyway

latest change to flying sword - ankama realizing that they made sacs lil bit too good for pvp so now they are nerfing that by nerfing flying sword. In line with what they are doing - destroying what this class used to be. They made changes effectively making sacs useless in PvM (just take another char instead seriously - sac wont be hitting and there are better support chars than a sac). They made sacs better for one on one PvP.

THEY MEAN THIS FOR REAL. They want us to PvP more - hence all the changes to what alignments mean and really most if not all class spells changes are PvP oriented somehow with unneeded implications to PvM. They got many things wrong in the past (alignment bonuses, making sacs killing machines in a team) now they are fixing all they did wrong in one HUGE update. And they want us to symphatize with them and probably see things in broader view. Eventhough I am not long subscribed...only a year...I have my own view of ankamas credibility when it comes to promises. No need to repeat them.

Its lame lame lame. To me the issue of nerfing sacs in PvM (NO ITS NOT MAKING THEM MORE TACTICAL, tactical will be to keep sac in astrub) is important But what really matters to me is where is this game going. Is it going to be more PvP? Is that what they want? Honestly, long-term its an interesting idea. Done really really late though and should have been thought of much sooner. I mean what did they think - that by giving alignment bonuses - people who dont give a care about PvP would stay neutral? they even forced us to go aligned - bonuses and alignment only areas.

They made insane high HP bosses - and they gave us insane high vit equip. They taught us to simple tactics how to tackle with insane bosses. Now they making these tactics harder to execute. There are no other tactics. Even with less HP on bosses I dont see the point of a change. Ok now maybe we wont go and lock that boss, we will AP/MP rape it. Wow, i am thrilled. Next time I do soft oak i do it from range...it will take same time if they reduce its HP. Wow wow wow - how much more interesting. This will really keep me entertained.

Why do you need to nerf some classes abilities to try to make people (especially not end game levels) use different tactics? Why not rather buff other classes??? Too hard to think of a way?

Ankama live with it. You are not adding content. You are trying to force new rules to MOSTLY PVM interested community - thats all - i dont necessarily hate changes in this way if I can stick to whats important to me - but in that regard you are not doing anything for me just making my experience of the game more painful. Most of us - and I do stand behind this claim - still keep playing since we:
- are addicted and for some reason trying to achieve goals such as perfect end game equips
- have friends to hang out with on endless exp/drops grinding sessions
- have fun even doing little bit of PvP

Many of us even worked hard to have what we have now. And would hate loosing it because you ANKAMA think the game will be better. Hardly without new content, things to do, new equipment ideas to explore. You can make alignment war interesting without nerfing classes in PvM. Ok bring new rules to alignment. Why you need to screw my chars also?

Nuff said. i will try to "adapt" with my sacrier and my feca, but was it really necessary?

No, I do not think so.

This post has been edited by meatraw: 31 Mar 2009, 02:46

Cant agree anymore. Ankama has ways how to make even nowadays CONTENT more challenging. But its not what they care about apparently. They do not seem to care about content. tehy giving us - hey guys go all PvP treatment.

Actually it was the enus pp spell that most people complained about and it was replaced with mound the wierd aoe str spell.

Love you miam, this post was 100% perfect.

I've decided to stop posting my own development regarding my fight against Ankama at their own forums. Obviously it will end up deleted sooner or later and the whole purpose of this topic will get destroyed. 50 people complaining here wont matter to Ankama, they delete this topic and the 50 of us quit. Big deal, they'll get another 50 people. Therefor I've decided to continue my fight at impsvillage where we really can speak our minds.
I will still post responses here, but no updates on my initial post.

Feel free to read my topic here:

http://www.impsvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80266