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High level and Epic level players - Take a look., How Ankama is forcing the epic level players to quit the game.
 medgix
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post 28 Mar 2009, 02:59 | #1
High level and Epic level players - Take a look. I won't be surprised if this topic actually get deleted. It's not the nicest one but it is the truth.

I'm not an Ankama-basher. Infact I've held a great deal of respect for this company during the years. Afterall, I've been playing dofus since 2005.
1½ years ago I hit level 200 on my ecaflip, one of the first level 200's ever. The more I've kept playing the more I've noticed the lack of content for players at my own level.
It's been 1½ year old without any "real" content. Ok, the challanges we got are nice but you can't exactly call that content.
What has kept me playing you ask? My friends and my guild. All in all, the community - which brings me to this point:

As the leader of an epic level guild (Blank for those who are intrested) I've noticed the huge lack of respect people are starting to get for ankama.

  • Those of us who multiclient get limited to 5 accounts. We can't log more unless we have static ip's. Something that costs alot of money for us to get. We get no refunds for the money we spent on subscribing our accounts - hell, we don't even get a "sorry". It takes a few months, the restriction gets lifted and we can play again. We subscribe our accounts and as soon we do - we get restricted again. It's pretty clear that Ankama is doing this to take our money, nothing else. We've asked millions of times for explanations both in tickets and topics HERE AT THEESE FORUMS. We get nothing.
  • We get another update with no content.
  • They change the whole game mechanics.
  • We all know that Ankama Devolopers will realize some of theese changes aren't any good so they will nerf and buff once again.


Basicly - you learn the game and you finished it. All you do is waiting for new content so you can keep playing. Ankama comes marchin in and say "hey, grats - you'll have to start over from square 1". This is no joke, because the changes made in this upcoming update will require new sets for most of our characters, we will have to learn how to play in different groups and how to avoid getting killed.

I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering quitting together with 32 other people (over 80 accounts) from my guild.
We are waiting for the promised "Dofus 2.0" and the "Ice Continent" which should have been out last year and this is what you give us? Is this a bad joke?
We don't wan't to learn how to play the game from the beggining. We like Dofus as it is but we lack content. New monsters, new gears, new areas, new graphics.

Instead of encouraging your old time players to keep playing and get your self a good rumour and more customers from us - you chase us away. Start showing us some god d#mn respect. Stop ignoring us - WE ARE THE GAME!!

I'm fully aware that this is a golden update for many of you lower level players, thats great! In all honesty. But what about us? We are customers too, and lojal customers as well!
Spending years to achieve something that you simply take away from us is pure nonsense and stupidity.

I'm losing my friends, I'm losing a great amount of members from my guild, I have to learn how to play all over again and I have to regear my characters. This was not why I started playing dofus or why I kept playing for so long.

I feel betraid and robbed of my money.

What about you? Do you have the balls to say what you actually think?

/youbutsu 200 eca, ilookgoodinbora 200 cra, tanig 200 sac, arg 200 eni, mesoh-rny 200 enu, reduxxx 199 panda and slampig 19x iop.

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 Galaboy
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post 9 Jun 2009, 16:47 | #201
Well I think one of the main reasons that they are not adding new content is because they are trying to do this balancing act with three diffrent games and a tv show. WHAT THE HELL! Don't make some french tv show that nobody will like, pay attention to the game you created at the start of your company!!!! Don't make some crap wakfu game that will just get neglected as much as dofus!!! Don't get everyone excited about 2.0 and say it will come early spring and let it come out 3 years after! Forget everything you are doing and focus on DOFUS!!! And don't just pay attention to the french community! That was my two cents.
/166 Osa
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 XehanordHeart...
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post 10 Jun 2009, 17:43 | #202
Guys I saw the French website and it was saying something about dofus 2.0.I dont know french so can anyone see what happens?
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 Drantic
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post 15 Jun 2009, 01:20 | #203
First of all, a lot of changes are proposed in forums and most aren't listened. Well, you play with 8 accounts and that easy for you to grind your items. Sell the old ones and stop crying, farm new ones. You are lvl 200 with almost all your characters you have almost nothing to do after you get your new equipments, Ankama is doing you a favor to get you something different to do other than PvP or talk to your budies. It's a game not a chat only. You have quests an all to do but what you focus on then?
Administrating an epic guild? It's a game, play it too. wink.gif
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 qazaws
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post 15 Jun 2009, 13:33 | #204
I agree with youb completely >>. VS 1.27 was a mess for my feca. Dofus turned into a pvp type game. AMAKNA. You see how many people are quitting? I stopped getting p2p a bit after the 1.27 came out. Made a sac. Now bored with it. Quitting soon. The LOADS OF HP THING makes everything take soooo long. PvM doesnt work anymore since we have loads of hp and they didnt get buffed at all --".

Amakna you messed up.

-Tubes
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 Elder-Earth
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post 23 Jun 2009, 00:10 | #205
QUOTE (qazaws @ 15 Jun 2009, 14:33) *
I agree with youb completely >>. VS 1.27 was a mess for my feca. Dofus turned into a pvp type game. AMAKNA. You see how many people are quitting? I stopped getting p2p a bit after the 1.27 came out. Made a sac. Now bored with it. Quitting soon. The LOADS OF HP THING makes everything take soooo long. PvM doesnt work anymore since we have loads of hp and they didnt get buffed at all --".

Amakna you messed up.

-Tubes


ah yes in regards to pvp and the hp increase,has anyone noticed that even with the hp,fully scrolled,and the best gear for the lvl 60+ range other classes get worked by intel iops still,i recently left rushu and deleted my eni (Miz-Wabbit) and although i spent the better part of 11mil on scrolling and having the best gear possible intel iops still hit entirely to much.in fact i did that math and even a shitty/poor intel iop with only 6ap can outdamage anything consistantly until you hit lvl 100,pure vital gear sacs are the next heavy hitters but even they have trouble with intel iops because they can jump and ss in one turn >.> "rebalancing the classes" pft my left nut, go ahead and tweak the classes with absolutly useless spells like the new version of deceitful attack,pft ankama is a joke =]
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 Lunuil
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post 3 Jul 2009, 17:37 | #206
QUOTE (Elder-Earth @ 23 Jun 2009, 01:10) *
ah yes in regards to pvp and the hp increase,has anyone noticed that even with the hp,fully scrolled,and the best gear for the lvl 60+ range other classes get worked by intel iops still,i recently left rushu and deleted my eni (Miz-Wabbit) and although i spent the better part of 11mil on scrolling and having the best gear possible intel iops still hit entirely to much.in fact i did that math and even a shitty/poor intel iop with only 6ap can outdamage anything consistantly until you hit lvl 100,pure vital gear sacs are the next heavy hitters but even they have trouble with intel iops because they can jump and ss in one turn >.> "rebalancing the classes" pft my left nut, go ahead and tweak the classes with absolutly useless spells like the new version of deceitful attack,pft ankama is a joke =]


Realistically, you can't expect a lvl 6X eni to outmatch an Int Iop? And no, sacs do not have a problem with them, at least not me.

In fact, this whole post seems like a rant to me. Deceitful attack is very useful for a Sram. The classes were relatively rebalanced, although certain classes have a "level Peak" where they dominate.

As for the original post by youbutsu. I almost wanted to say, make another character. Until I noticed that you have several Other 200's. As far as I can tell, there's nothing on this thread that can satisfy you, nothing Dofus can currently do that can satisfy all of us. What we need to do is wait it out or leave. Amkana is playing to the dominant population of characters, trying to build, what I believe to be a strong community. But they are forgetting the epic levels, who are truly the committed ones. All I can tell you is personally, I don't mind what Amkana is doing, but they are progressing too slowly. This update should have been years ago. We need new content literally monthly, that we can play. A new dungeon every month? One that 15X + can run. That would be amazing. Sadly, Amkana isn't going to satisfy that need either, so we might as well just wait till 2.0. I know I won't be quitting any time soon. Actually, I find it fun sitting at pvp map or [5,7] all day.

We play on different servers so I don't know you personally, but I wish you the best of luck.

Yours'

Luniul

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 Lunuil
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post 3 Jul 2009, 17:39 | #207
Apologies, for the double post, a virus scan is running and my computer is a little slow.

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 Garciatantoni...
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post 4 Jul 2009, 03:42 | #208
QUOTE (medgix @ 28 Mar 2009, 21:10) *
I appricate all the comments this topic is getting, and let me remind you that the more links I get to gaming sites and gaming magazines the better. I'm having this whole thing translated for the french community as well, as I know that there are french gaming magazines and sites as well that would be intrested to hear about our view in this matter. With some help from theese hardcore players we might get our voices heard as international players for the first time. I'm tired of getting ignored and pushed around without beeing abled to raise my voice with valid points or frustration for that matter.



WOW... ELEVEN PAGES OF FLAMING RANTS!
IN case no one has laready posted ANYTHING in the french forums, I gladly offer my help to translate.


In no ways I am an EPIC lvl player, I played the game for what... 3/4 years...(lost count) and even in the first updates i wouldnt agree with some of the stuff that was modified. I actually remember saying that someday the water element would be VERY popular/strong/usefull because no one bothered to have resistances to such(needless to say i was exposed to the ridiculous).
Guess what, we have Chance builds on Sacriers, Osas, Sadidas, damn.... even Xelors use it.(Does this mean that Dofus is exposed to ridiculous, is the game ridiculous, or is it the developers??).
Wich leads me to say that one of the greatest flaws in Dofus and its developing team is that they are WAY to oriented to satisfy the n00bs needs, incompetent players that no matter what lvl they are just cant seem to beat an opossing class in PvP and that keep spammin forums and such saying that ONE particular class is overpowered and that theirs need improving(wich Ankama then interpretates as: "We need to change the whole game/class dynamics.) If you are one of those: Congrats you contributed in ruining the game for us all. You´ve killed" the first Int Xelors, Fecas, Str and Agy Sacriers, among others.
Hence the majority prefers PvP they decided that Dofus is now a PvP game( C mon man... lvl 30´s in PvP??). Hence people cant cope with the monsters damage dealing, they get +5 hp per lvl. Sure if that satisfys the lower lvls Im happy for them, enjoy the game. BUT WHY ANKAMA, WHY?? WHY DO THE LVLS 100+ GET TO CHANGE THEIR CHARS THROUGH EACH UPDATE?? WHY DONT WE GET NOTHING? WHY DO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE PAYING, NOT FOR FUN, NOT TO DISCOVER NEW THINGS IN THE GAME, BUT TO BUILD A CHARACTER AGAIN!? I am amazed that sadidas are still Str based and Enus Chance Based. Stop depriving us of our well deserved (and paid for) characters, stop giving us excuses that with the drastic changes in spellls we get to be more powerfull or more dynamic/strategic. Want to know what we need? We need new Quests, new NPC´s, new Epic lvl Monsters, new decent equips, new challenges, NEW EVENTS( Hence Rushu is lacking some, dont you think!?). The number of new challenges that have come since the last years are countable in ONE HAND, thats FIVE FINGERS. Want a tip? The Dofus world map is full of gaps, get inspired we beg you, give it some filling.

Our request is simple... do not make us reset our characters after a 2 months to 1 year absence from the game due to its lack of content. Do not tamper with the spells anymore, even if you leave it this way as it is ITS FINE, we do not mind anymore. angry.gif


Monochrome
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 Zarnal-Ahkna
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post 4 Jul 2009, 21:16 | #209
well, hi everybody...

I dont want to spoil this topic but i have to say this:
I am a lvl 73 tongue.gif intel pandawa. BUT THIS IS WHAT I DO WHEN I'M GETTING BORED OF MY CHAR ( cuz this is accely the main reason of you're topic he??? u want some nice changes in ur advantages ):

  1. I change my build
  2. If it doesnt statisfie me... i make me another class
  3. If this doesnt statisfie me also... i get me another class and make me a build that is so weird... but good and easy to train...
  4. If this doesnt work also... i just make me a random class and do stupid things with my friends... like talking bout everything that comes in my mind ( i sometimes play an hour of 2 on dofus without moving, just making fun with some friends and talk to eachoter... or doing random perc attacks, do random dungeons till we lose etc...or, i give away sum stuff from my account to my friends and start hunting for it again as if i was a noob THATS HOW YOU MAKE THE GAME NICE AND NOT BORING, then they dont need to make changes... so you wont be disappointed
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 spaderocksspa...
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post 15 Jul 2009, 07:21 | #210
Just a fun Comment here. I completely agree with The orignal topic There isnt enough for level 200's to do

Ive seen level 200's with 50% crimson +20 Turqs What else is there to do? Best gear you can get is at what 19x? Im not 100% sure on that

But they need to get some level 200 Equips and "Cool" items The game is basicly boring if there is nothing to work for at 200... I believe they need some more content. Even at 18x There is very little thats a challenge to get.

This is just my Opinion. I have a few friends that are 200 that have Absolutely Everything Possible. I think its only fair to add a level "200" shovel that doesnt suck like the scythe and sword do.

My biggest fear about 2.0 Is that its going to end up Like wakfu.

This is just my Opinion Get angry if you want agree if you want.


Edit:
I know someones going to make a comment about everything possible ,but you KNOW what I mean by that.

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 Relaehx
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post 15 Jul 2009, 21:03 | #211
youbutsu, i love you.
well said man.

dutch, eh biggrin.gif
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 Wickedblaze
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post 26 Aug 2009, 18:17 | #212
First of all, YOU CAN'T PLAY FOREVER you've achieved your objective, time to quit and try something new.

Second of all, What company doesn't want money? honestly, you should see blizzard with WoW

Third of all, They aren't adding content because they are already busy as hell with wakfu and Dofus 2.0, only mods and some developers are active to update bugs, so just wait for either.

Fourth of all, Blank is one of the greatest guilds in Dofus, not only rushu, but it also has the oldest players, they probably did everything so they decided to quit,

You already achieved your object, you made the greatest guild in dofus, and your one of the best players
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There are two sides in dofus, every time ankama does something(nerf/buff) a side is happy and the other side goes crazy,the updates are ruining the game, but thats just our side...the other side is happy, its like you have 2 persons are 3 cookies if you give one of them two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you give him two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you dont give them cookies they die of hunger(What the hell)

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 karyuudan
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post 27 Aug 2009, 09:42 | #213
QUOTE (Wickedblaze @ 26 Aug 2009, 18:17) *
[...] its like you have 2 persons are 3 cookies if you give one of them two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you give him two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you dont give them cookies they die of hunger(What the hell)

Only that is has taken Amakna 4 years to give the community half a cookie that was expired and caused stomach ache, had a flavour we dont like, charged us twice the usual price for it and forced us to eat it or die from hunger (aka quitting)

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 SilentRevenge
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post 27 Aug 2009, 11:41 | #214
QUOTE (Wickedblaze @ 26 Aug 2009, 18:17) *
First of all, YOU CAN'T PLAY FOREVER you've achieved your objective, time to quit and try something new.

Second of all, What company doesn't want money? honestly, you should see blizzard with WoW

Third of all, They aren't adding content because they are already busy as hell with wakfu and Dofus 2.0, only mods and some developers are active to update bugs, so just wait for either.

Fourth of all, Blank is one of the greatest guilds in Dofus, not only rushu, but it also has the oldest players, they probably did everything so they decided to quit,

You already achieved your object, you made the greatest guild in dofus, and your one of the best players
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There are two sides in dofus, every time ankama does something(nerf/buff) a side is happy and the other side goes crazy,the updates are ruining the game, but thats just our side...the other side is happy, its like you have 2 persons are 3 cookies if you give one of them two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you give him two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you dont give them cookies they die of hunger(What the hell)

1stly, anyone can play as long as they want. Even if he has achieved the goal he set for himself, whats stopping him from setting another? Answer - the new content that ankama has promised but not yet deliverd.

2ndly, you cant seriously want to compare ankama to blizzard -.-

3rdly the ice continent was promised ages ago, as was 2.0 which just seems to be taking an eternity to complete. In the meantime all weve gotten was some lame low level toys (the bandit weapons and all that) and the boosted pvp system.

4th - the most likely reason they quit is because the new content they were awaiting was just not getting any closer to being released, and while they were waiting many of their classes that they have been playing with for years were changed right from underneath them.

Oh and as for you analogy with the cookies, i find it an absolutely briliant description of how ankama is handling the high/epic level players - they are starving to death, so ankama gives them a few cookies >.>

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 Blazeron
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post 28 Aug 2009, 12:19 | #215
No, they're not giving them cookies. They are giving them bio rice waffles - enough to keep em alive, but it isn't really tasty at all.

I completely agree with the topic. It's nice to see that i'm not the only one with the problem, and it's nice to see that ankama's recent change of priorities is getting resistance. However, it also hurts to see how much effort is being put in this, considering it's all a big waste. And i'm not just talking about myself, youb probably spent hundreds of hours doing this, too, and everyone else also spent a good amount of time staying up for their rights. And look what happens? No dev is even reading this at all, it will just rot away after a while like everything else here. It's like killerfurby said: if it isn't in french, you can forget it.

And take a look at these forums. I think all the people here spent thousands of hours trying to tell ankama something. Also, consider that i would be way more if the mods wouldn't delete every 2nd topic because it was against ankama's opinion. I think we all spent a lot of heart's blood trying to make ankama fix the game, so there's a reason for us to continue playing. I know, i promised to never lose hope in this issue, but it's not looking good at all. PvM is being ruined, high level players are left without any content, our community is being ignored completely.

After wasting hundreds of hours on the forums here and thousands of hours in the actual game, i kind of don't know what's left to say about it. Actually, i doesn't even matter - i could point out how much it sucks for us high level players for the billionth time, or i could just post nothing at all, it doesn't even matter at all, because my french sucks.

QUOTE (SilentRevenge @ 27 Aug 2009, 12:41) *
4th - the most likely reason they quit is because the new content they were awaiting was just not getting any closer to being released, and while they were waiting many of their classes that they have been playing with for years were changed right from underneath them.


It's not just not coming closer. Actually, it moved away even farther. While there used to be hope that it would be released somewhen, we now know that nothing is gonna happen before dofus 2.0, which won't be out in at least a year.
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 shnyder
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post 28 Aug 2009, 18:32 | #216
been playin since beta myself not level 200 chars but a 183 iop and as youb said the game is getting no where for the higher levels yeah we own crap like no ones business but owning the same crap over and over is like watching the same reruns on tv over and over pretty soon you'll know the show word for word without looking at the screen -.- ... their more then 1.5 years behind since if ya think about it dofus never left the beta stages all the crappy changes and loads of bugs and bs we deal with, quite a few of my guildies still think the game itself is beta until 2.0 comes out IF it ever comes out (20 years later 2.0 has arrived and 1 person to play it xD ) im a big time gamer and i do LIKE dofus but i dont like how their promising one thing to subscribers then they pay for a membership to obtain this special prize (the blue jell pet for example ONLY PET to give vitality +150) 2 days later all life pets and hp bonuses are switched to vitality.. but ehh who are we to complain? i mean we are only the people that helped make the game why should WE the people who keep the game going have any say what so ever on what they NEED to stop doing and what they need to focus on, their already working ona 3rd game no idea what it is but their working on a 3rd game and their not even finished with the first one, let alone the 2nd one..

but heck as far this topic goes i completely agree and yeah let it rot away with the ages and ankama not even try to see where were getting at and see just how long dofus will last without players to play it.. it may last quite a while but it wont last much longer in my opinion

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 dymind
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post 15 Sep 2009, 08:35 | #217
I might be another "noob" but ive got friends who are pretty damn dissapointed with all these updates. I know peopple who gave up there level 180 characters, sold everything and deleted them because they messed them up so badly they had to make a new character, a different class. I dont see how ankama can do this with all of the servers, I bet that over half of the players that are experienced in the game of dofus, all servers, can find complaints about the game. There can be some over powers, so? it all depends how you take advantage of it. When i was lvl 43, i beat many classes, even int iops and chance enerispas lv 60+ because i worked my ass off getting his gear, doesn't mean its over powered, half of the reason people think classes are over powered is because of the gear and tactics they person has.

Dofus, you can do better than that, honestly think your going to get more people by this? Think that only we care? check around the world, you have english everywhere, french everywhere, everybody everywhere, if you think you can get away with this, I wanna see what your back up plans are.

-Xfyre, lv 98 intel sacrier
Rushu

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 Breadstick
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post 16 Sep 2009, 09:27 | #218
thb i think the underlying problem is this... changes meh.. changes are ok, everyone can deal with them no matter the level, if they benefit mid to low levels then great, perhaps we'll get more long term players and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned..

the problem is not changes but lack of content... pure and simple.. we need GMs on the server doing mini events, we need new monsters, new sets and new dungeons... we need things for players of all levels to do, things to aspire to, plan for and work towards..

sadly 2.0... the amazing update isn't an update at all... i play the game on low res, i don't really care that the graphics are a bit dated and the spell animations are re-used time and time again i care about the game play and the tactics... so spending all this time effort and money on making the game identical but prettier is a complete waste as far as I'm concerned.. make the game more engaging not shiny!!!!

p.s. pac-man rules and look at the graphics on that bad boy! biggrin.gif
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 ViolatorPL
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post 16 Sep 2009, 17:35 | #219
The fu*k is this...
Why the hell they are nerfing cras? Ya for me it's a nerf....
Chance cra? they saw soft caps of cha? it's fu**ing 5:1 from 80cha....
Why they are nerfing agi? taking plaguing weaker Absorbtive. BUT HEY at least BOT's will be happy nd all nubs lvl 1-50........
Let's say we have an agi cra lvl 190+
He want hes spells on 1/2 and he have them.
Hes base agi is 300 since its 5:1 from 300 so max he can is 32X anyway
Since hes quite good and have some overmags he have items that adds 550agi
Hes buffing so 26 bow skill and 200% powerfull shooting (so Critical Hit on both)
Now he have 99dmg (cause he don't have perfect dmg on items) and 281%dmg
Absorbtive: lvl 6 13-24 air dmg and 25-36 air dmg on CH so... 259-394 and 406-542 on CH

hes dmg on full buff is 259 to 542 on 0% res air...........

Is that overpowered?

Once again Ankama want to force players to quit their chars or just complitly change their sets and why? Cause they just don't want to use their heads to make new areas and thats the easiest way to keep players bussy (getting new items)
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 bloody-xvalen...
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post 16 Sep 2009, 20:09 | #220
I don't really mind the nerf, Violator.
I have a 14x Int Cra with 300 Int.
My damage range is 270 - 693.
I'm pretty content with my damage.

I do see where your coming from OP.
The higher levels need more content that WE can use.
Maybe more dungeons and more chances to get Dofus eggs.

They've been more worried about the pvp changes but what about players that don't pvp?
We should be rewarded too, we're the ones who spend years on our characters.
Ankama should STOP making character's weaker too.
The only reason people shout "overpowered" is because they go against the Twink characters.
The ones with the best gear for their levels that are overmaged and rich.

Its not our fault we're so fucking badass ;D
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