I dunno how Dofus expect to make money when people cant even get on to learn the game...English speakers anyway...Why Rushu? Why not any of the french servers? Iuno about any1 else, but not being able to get on the game makes you not wanna play at al ;)

So you have a pay character and a F2P one. And you were muling the other account for pods. uh huh.

There is F2P on other servers.

Just did.

Rosal is the default server -- Has been ever since it was made, I believe -- Anyone starting the game, will not know about Rushu, right away.

While I'd like like f2p's too be able too log-in on Rushu -- They fear that it would only cause strif. See, there's a balance -- F2p's = resources for scrolls needed - or at least - desired -- Thing is, they also cause DCing, and lag, so I'm told.

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I would like to officially complain that cutting of f2p players in Rushu, and the trade chat have ENTIRELY destroyed the Rosal economy in under a week's time. Hundreds of times a day I am confronted with "hahaha, 60kk? i can get that for 15kk! noob" and i reply with "you came from Rushu didn't you..." of course we all know the answer.

Look, the fact of the matter is right now, is that things have gotten 10 times as scarce in Rosal, because its now 1000 f2pers for every p2per... I wish, beyond hope, that something could be done to fix this. Also, the trade chat has allowed these Rushu characters to come over and offer things at 1/4 their normal price, destroying the value of everything in my inventory... I find myself selling the stuff I am currently wearing, in an effort to not lose a TON of money. At least I didnt use my Leek Pie... At least I can salvage that.

But on top of all this.... TRADE CHAT NEEDS TO GO ... All the swearing, the "selling p2p!", the lag, the spamming, the extreme drop in prices... I honestly cannot see a good in it. Now, see, a GOOD idea, would be, instead of having a trade chat (now i dont know if trade chat only advertizes in your region, but i assume it does) having a local announce, that "shouts" your message, 2-3 screens away in every direction. This would solve the problem, and still keep a speedier means of selling/buying merchandise. I also believe there should be a selling and a buying chat, of different colors.

Lemme know what you think of my ideas.

Oh, another thing. Let us mine kobalt stone... Please, pretty please? That one's just down right unfair... And let us gain experience on our professions past level 30, but not gain a benefit from them. aka, no 5 slots, no 6 slots, no anything over 64%, but we can still progress...

If only there was a way to turn it off. By going on that channel you know that you have to expect stupidity.

And now you know what the Rushu P2P people had to deal with.

Ummm how is that done. There is no transfer of items/accounts/banks from server to server. Everyone is in the same boat in Rosal. The items that have been dropped there are from that server. So yeah if someone is undercutting you then undercut them. Remember again the items they sell they got FROM the Rosal server.

Sound like a lot of woe here. See they did not farm this from the Rushu server and bring it over.

Swearing and such yeah. Lag is solved by turning it off, Spamming turn it off, drop in prices you have to deal with.

Possible but you would still have the same issues in places.

You can still gain xp for when you go P2P. You wont get them to change it because them it would cause people to mule more chanacters and cause more free bots.

give Rushu back to f2p >:P
im getting bored in rosal.

When did it belong to F2P?

So pay then :o)

Bip... First off, lag is not solved by turning it off by any means... lag affects the entire server because of the existance of that chat... I seem to recall f2ps being banned from rushu at... OH! the introduction of the trade chat... Hmm. Second off, I may be able to turn it off, but kids/noobs arent that bright, will still be scammed, will still be subjected to all the ill happenings on the channel. Guess you thought this one out well.

you didnt read a word i said... I said allow us to level beyond 30, but not let us use any of it... cap us at the 64% and the 4slots for crafting, but let the xp not go to waste... Geez..

Uh, see, when i said, what preceeded this, I meant for you to read it, and infer meaning from it. What I said/meant, was that because those coming over, are use to the lower prices, however they may obtain merchandise (ie. trading, fighting), they are going to sell it cheaper, and expect it to be sold cheaper.

I love people who have ignorant remarks... You just had a bone to pick with me and wanted to make yourself sound to everyone reading this, right. Congradulations, you failed. Try conceding some thoughts of your own, rather than attempting to knock others'.

Hey Kippers. Ok so to turn that then bad and nasty things can happen on any channel. Also I am on 2 paid accounts on a old laptop while at the laundry. I still don't have lag. If this duct tape special does not lag then it is not the game. And yes there is less lag with no free players. And Kids/Noobs not being bright. If someone does not read what is shown then that is no one's fault but their own. You scroll over the box and it explains it. You read the forums and the scam threads are there. Oh and even if there are not other channels but the black text...people will still be scammed.

No No I read it. and your greedy. You can earn xp for when you go p2p. Thats the ONLY reason your allowed to gain the more xp. Deal with what you have with the free part. You want more pay for more.

Ok your horrid wording aside. Transfers are bad for business and wont be done. There is no reason for it.

I love free people who are not grateful for what they have. You have shown what type of free player that you are. You have what you have. You can change it by paying. If you choose not to pay then your requests are really low on the scale. Again you attempting to sound right by saying my opinions are invalid...well its just silly.

This looks to me like the F2P-ers were taken into consideration, and deemed to be the potential cause of more lag with the introduction of Trade Chat.

Andyou think kids and Noobs would no longer be scammed if the channel didn't exist? And the "Ill happenings" could happen on any chat channel. Hell, "Ill Happenings" could occur at the bank, or in a workshop or sellroom. Don't pretend to have the Noobs' best interest at heart. (Hmm, Ill Happenings, sounds like a Beastie Boys album. I like it)

The XP doesn't go to waste. Ankama has decided that F2P doesn't go beyond 30, just like it decided that people who actually support themby paying don't level beyond 200 (100 for crafting). Think of it as part of the game. If Ankama decides otherwise, You'll be the second to know. (and somehow I suspect First to complain that F2P wasn't given MORE)

It's called "Shopping around". It's the reason a lot of people refrain from buying from the first Merchant Mode character they find with an item they like. You learn that Shopping around is required on Dofus the first time you pay for something, just to find it for half the price on another character. Oh, and boasting about the price you bought whatever for is considered tacky in Real Life, consider it similar in Dofus.

And I love having a official topic specifically for F2P players who want something more for nothing. Makes it easier to ignore.
Watch me do so.

That actually sounds like a good idea. Is mining the only gathering job that CAN'T get everything up to 30 for free players? Don't know about fish and only used hunting for a bit and didn't get that far. They can always replace a few of the tin spots in the Astrub mine for kobalt. If they put in a lumber mill for lumberjacks, why not some kobalt fo miners?

Because the mines are full enough with people who pay as it is.

My only problem with the removal of f2p is that now I can't introduce anyone new to the game (or while the f2p are gone I can't anyways)..

I reckon you should be f2p on rosal and when you pay, you have the option of moving your fella to rushu or something like that. I dun know. But lack of f2p on Rushu tends to kill the economy. But it also gets rid of all the groups of 6-7 12 year olds running around Astrub with level 12 ecaflips who ask you to train them and then all cast roullette. >=[

Also, as a loyal p2per, I'd have to say, if they gunna add more f2p content, well, I want more p2p content ;) Bit unfair for those of us who pay don't get benefits for our dollar, when people who are sick of running around in Astrub but refuse to pay get more.

Saying "I don't have money to pay" is not really an excuse. Approx $6 (AUD) per month is nothing. I was working when I wasa 15 and had $6/month to spare and before that I was getting pocket money which was more than $6/month... If you got a computer and the internet, then reduce you net plan to the one lower, download 10GB less per month, and spend the extra money on a Dofus subscription =D

its not the problem of paying the money... i just don't have any ability to use paypal or anything... if i could just stick the money into the computer i would. Anyway plz make like the gobbal dungeon f2p... XD There just seem to be too many gobbal keys flying everywhere!!

There are more ways than pay pal to pay. You can bank transfer =P

And good God, don't make the gob dungeon p2p.. f2pers got the Daisy Dungeon!

Check/Money order. You have cash then there are ways.

Which was more than enough.

As much as F2P's want more area it aint goner happen unless you want to start paying for the servers and other expenses all by yourself.

Correct. If you were in charge of your own server, would you:
A. Have people pay to host it and in return, give them benefits for their services
B. Have it come from your own pocket, leaving people happy, but you will need to work 3 jobs and live in a cardboard box forever.

Choose.

I am a f2p'er and I am fine with it the way it is, except for one thing..I don't like that you added to Astrub, yet made the area p2p only. (I'm talking about the new Rocky Inlet) ..Astrub is supposed to be "THE" place for f2p'ers. I don't see why you would do that, it just makes everything that much more confusing to new players and even experienced players such as myself. I know I ran as fast as I could over to the Rocky Inlet as soon as I downloaded the BitTorrent file of the new update...only to be totally and utterly disapointed by the "red hand".

So in conclusion, I really think you should make ALL of Astrub f2p...it's not like you're depriving p2p'ers from anything...they still have access to it. Besides, I really think we could use some new monsters/dungeons in f2p :-)

I also think pets should be f2p!!! lololol JP!! :D

For those of you who can be p2p and are dumb
enouge to think that everyone else can be too ;
EVERYONE CAN'T !
Some aren't allowed (like me) and some just can't afford it (like me too)

And about the taking away f2p from rushu; If you do, i will seriously stop playing, like (probably) many other players
Well.. i may quit anyway if i dont get my feca transfered from my hacked aacount to my new one.
Maybe i try Wakfu... but i can't see how Wakfyu could take over Dofus for many reasons..

About f2p area.. maybe a little bit harder dungeon/s for the high lvl f2p players..
And no chafer archers please -.- .. feca shields gets kinda useless from oil...

That's probably almost the entire point. Feca's have to have SOME weaknesses ^-^

I still think Srams and Fecas are way overpowered in pvp...at lower levels anyway... x.x although that has nothing to do with this thread. :P

Do some work for your parents, like mow the lawn, do the washing, whatever, ask them for $7 for the work. Go out and wash cars for your neighbours, whatever.

The loss of permanent f2p players will in no way lose Ankama funds, or business, so, this is not a threat. The loss of f2pers (as shown in the past) does however destroy the Astrubian economy =[

You've just admitted to owning a hacked account, which is a bannable offense. I for one hope the mods report this to admin.

No comment....

Want a completly free to play game? Don't play Dofus, plain and simple. If you know you'll have no chance of paying, then why waste your time getting to a high level in it? That's why there's a trial. Try before you buy, not get to level 60 and complain that you can't do anything more because mommy won't let you. Isn't having a lifetime trial better than one that lasts for a week anyway? Anyone who wants more things for people who can't/don't want to pay should really realize that Dofus is not a free game and never will be. If you really want to get more, then pay. Don't get allowance? Then rake someone's yard or mow their lawn. Old enough to get a job? Get one. Parents won't let you pay? Shit happens. If you want more that badly, get off your lazy arse and work for it, or just play another game. If you're willing to get yourself to, say, level 80 on f2p only, nobody wants to hear you whining about how you only get .2% (exagerating) per fight. This just makes people dislike you more. Though I really think that instead of making Rushu p2p only just make an entirely new server for only pay to players. Sure they would have to work for their stuff again, but hey, if you want it that badly, you should have to make a few sacrifices I think.

Further more, if you just want more content, than change servers to Shika. English only server though ;)

Everyone has access to everywhere on Smelly Shika.

f2p should be allowed to wear the pets or at least bow meow

oi, there we go again, I have something to say, for ya'll who think gettin rid of f2p is nneccesary, thats your opinion, one thing you don't get is that you don't realize that some f2p people wont stay f2p forever, and for you guys who think more should be added on to f2p, it won't happen, mainly because it's like everyone else says, f2p is more like a way to test the game to see if you like it, also a good reason for f2p is that before you become p2p, you can train your character to be ready for the more difficult challenges ahead if you become p2p, otherwise, you'll be stuck fighting boars and crap like that for sucky exp.

Getting rid of f2p is a bad idea for a multitude of reasons, but mostly what you said here.

But f2p should not be given more content. You get more content by paying for it.

Instead of geting more f2p stuff why not just adjust f2p??

Alrite heres my idea. Tofu cornor is useless cauce nobody go there cept if their dead. Half of astrub city is crap cauce u don't need those empty space. And the cave in astrub which is a little usefull for the tofu and spider kill but stinky rat give real crappy xp and dumb drop.

They could replace tofu cornor with stronger monsters and change the name. Add beter sellsroom in Astrub if possible. No more sinky rat in cave, replace it with new monster.

Basicly i think theres not much monster to fight against to lv up. All the lv50+do is crackler crackler crackler... and it's still hard to lv up, ppl with frustration will probally just quit.

And there isnt' much to do but to train, no interesting quest or mini-games.

And why the heck Rocky inlet is for p2p.... i feel rejected >=(

I think the main reason why some people don't become F2P is because they THINK they can get to level 100 fighting Cracks and Chafs. Well, a new place with level 70 monsters would be nice, also a place with level 30 monsters. That'd be good. Most people would become a P2P if they would be able to get to a high level. Also, put in some more places where we can buy spells like Leek Pie and such. That is all

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I think that F2P content should be scattered around, not concentrated all in one place. Put some of it in and near Astrub, but transfer a pocket to near Bonta, and another near Brakmar, and maybe on Pandala and in Sufokia. Make them into shantytowns or refugee camps or whatever. Or make it the interior of a certain building. It'll give F2P players a reason to explore the world if they have to go to these places for special harvesting, to hunt a particular kind of monster (like in the Astrub Forest chafer cave) or to complete quests.

It could also help P2P players by providing more life in the outlying areas. Sufokia is so dead! And I guess Brakmar's meant to be dead, so maybe that one doesn't need fixing.

if they can expand the P2P area they can most certainly expand the f2p area there is no reason why they should not let the f2ps have a better area

I can think of some reasons why. For example, f2p players don't pay for the upkeep of the servers, or for the small amount of customer support that Ankama provides. So changes to the f2p parts of Dofus should be done with a view to improving things for p2p players!

Good changes would

• encourage f2p players to subscribe, in cases when they are able to
• drive an economic stratum that supports p2p activity
• drive a social stratum that enhances p2p gameplay

Doing this well requires that f2p players be kept happy enough! Otherwise they'll leave. Do we see them leaving in droves yet? Unless they do, it would seem to me that they can't be that unhappy with what they've got.

If they think they can level to 100 fighting craqs then they think they can level to 100 and not have to pay for the game. Thats unfair for those that do pay. Adding another place with higher level mobs will only contribute to more people not paying.
The best way to get to a higher level is to pay.
You gain levels faster in p2p land. Everyone knows this; its no secret. In f2p land there are no Fungi masters, no blops, no kolaaks , no plain boars... Anyone who has made at least 1 friend has heard where to go to fight higher level mobs with good xp.

Those who can't might someday find a way. Those that won't , won't.

They can all go to Shika to get more f2p content. Not only will they have access to all the open areas, they get events every week anyways.

So all you people who want more f2p content, go to Shika.

Good bye.
Sersiously, who do you think cares about you and all the other freeloaders?
WE pay the servers, WE pay the traffic, YOU are just guest.

Pay by cash then =]

Or..

PLAY ON SHIKA! LOLOL!

I really enjoy the Dofus Community and I've made some great friends! Unfortunately, a certain power in my household doesn't understand Dofus. So here's my suggestion... Perhaps you could make it a possibility that we could buy p2p via kamas... You're probably thinking "We'll lose money" or something of the sort, but i have a few suggestions to remedy that! If you pay via kamas, then you would not get those special benefits (such as getting a certain pet depending on how many months you purchase) or perhaps you wouldnt be able to use pets at all, although that would probably take a lot of work from the creators of Dofus... My point is that I'm a level 70 feca, and I've been f2p Since level 10, and I'm getting tired of not being able to level... I'm probably just a big whiner, but I thought I'd put my word out!

Thanks for you time,

DimBebble-

Doing that would totally lose them money. I can make millions of kamas even as a f2p. So I could easily buy p2p all the time.

What level and class are you lecter? I know they'd lose money, and it's a long shot, but I might as well put it out there, see what happens

I have 5 accounts..

8x sram
6x Enu
6x sac
5x eni
4x cra

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I think f2p should be able to be part of the fight of brak and bonta by having a new clan (seriume would be awsome). I think we should also have new land and stronger monsters to fight(train) or maybe 2-3 new dungeons (if 3 then 2 realyl hard ones and the other one medium easy)

Im a p2p but I've been with dofus pretty much since the beginning and only recently have I been p2p. Most of you don't realize that if they expanded F2p access they would lose money and since noone wants to lose money they obviously haven't expanded any content. Many of you also haven't realized (or do but just dont care) that being F2p is just like testing the game out to see if you like it (it's not just a free game). So if you have enjoyed your time as a F2p then maybe it's time to try out p2p for a change.

well i talk about my own experience...
i got a agi scram lv 29 at rushu...
that was like 2 years ago...
well dofus is like this ,or u pay...,or u dont play.

man people MUSt figure out that dofus is great game but it has 2 bad qualitys for f2p
first u cant hack there clinet and do a private server since all teh game is on flash
second u got 5% of the area and it ll be ALWAYs 5% of teh area since dofus is for makin money...

think with me... if u make a game.... take years gettin it better....woulndt u charge for it?

im crazy to play dofus but i cant pay for it since i live in brasil
and believe teh price is high and i really cant afford it XP

I've been F2P for a while now... I'm at level 4x and levelling isn't -that- insane though.

I think its reasonable to get to level 5x as an F2P, but then it gets really, really unfair.

I know that P2P naturally should get more stuff, but what about those that really can't pay and just love the game?

I suggest that F2P Content be opened to the whole map, but with the following restrictions:

Monster-type restrictions (not able to fight certain monsters/bosses)
Monster-level (mob) restrictions (max on the mob level that can be fought, e.g. 2xx or so)
Dungeon restrictions (not able to enter/fight certain dungeons)
Drop restrictions (e.g. can't drop equipment, or PP can only count towards a certain amount such as 300 or 500)
Profession restrictions (Such as collecting to 80, and crafting to 50)

If that's too open for F2P, perhaps just a widening of the allowed area to include the Astrub Rocky Inlet and Cania Plains (blops/lousy pigs)?

There's already so many people that play as P2P... I doubt that if you allow the F2P to level just a bit faster in Cania plains then there'd be a lot of problems. In fact they'd probably spend less time levelling because they can get 20k exp in a few fights rather than 3k exp in a fight V_V

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The-Hobo

Well, apparently a few P2P are whining about F2P causing lag. But us P2P cause as much lag and DC as F2P do. Not much I can do about that.. xD

We'd see a lot less complaining about "F2P limits me etc." If d2p could not access the forum.

What I'd like to see is F2P land .. is (Well--no F2P access to the board ..) Hm, I can't think of anything less.

Well, there is one: a red message when F2P log-on -- a link directing them to a server with episodes.

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You don't understand. If you they make it easier to level as a f2p then people are less likely to pay. I wouldn't have started paying at level 20 if I could just be a tiny bit more patient with leveling and had more mobs to fight.
And people are patient. Anyone who has scrolled main stats or created a mule account are patient enough to stick it out for 20 or 30 more levels past 50 if more areas become available.

I agree with him :D

Alot of Astrub (especially south) is pretty much empty space that no one uses...

Why not just fill up the empty spaces of Astrub? Maybe some mid-level mobs would be nice :D It wont hurt anyone at all.

the whole point of f2p is strictly to allow the customer to test the product
and to hopefully make money from it by providing the full extent of there
services and content which is clearly working.

you downloaded the client.then made your account to play dofus. played abit. got to lvl30 or so
and are now on this forum posting for more content. what is MISSING on the consumers end is
payment

folks we're talking about a mere 7$.thats not hard to get. mow lawns, do choirs,shoveling walk ways, blow
shit up and charge admission for it.whatever.and if u cant get the money well that sux.but thats how business works.
and if u really like dofus enough to be here on this topic just subscribe.u wont regret it.

~Dark-Jezus~

That, or if you rather, try your luck by being an active/helpful member of the forums, and have a chance to win sub time/gifts ! ;)

Enter forum contest

I am a f2per maybe we can have 2 mroe dungeons and some stronger monsters to train on? No need for new areas (that would be nice though). So like 2 or 3 more monsters would be nice that are stronger then cracks and chafers and respwn quicker :D

That was where you cease to be taken seriously.

However, I do agree that the Rocky Inlet should be F2P (I am P2P). It's a part of Astrub, like it or not, and it's kinda unfair to introduce a new area to the F2P area, but wait... you have to be P2P to use it!

P2P's like me, pay to keep Dofus running. You pay for something, you get something. If you dont pay, you dont get. Simple as.

F2P want more things-to-do but the aim of F2P is to give you a taste. A SAMPLE of Dofus!

Your NOT suppose to be able to develop your characters on F2P because, there is not enough to help you to do so

Why should you, F2P get more content, when you don't contribute towards the running of the game?

Whining about wanting more dungeons or higher level monsters, is not going to get you anything or get you anywhere.

Seriously, if Dofus was made F2P, and that they didn't charge people to play the game, how would the game run, how would it survive?

Ankama have bills to pay such as running the game, paying the people like Echen and Kaoly, paying for servers to host, paying for animators, paying for engineers and programmers

Dont ever get into your minds, that people like Echen work for FREE, because they dont. There are volenteers like Wish, etc

Running a game like Dofus costs money and IT'S A JOB, just like your parents have jobs

Pandawas is a reward to people that pay for membership and you guys have 11 classes to choose from

Me: I have a

lvl 63 Sadi
lvl 61 Cra
lvl 60 enu
soon lvl 60 xelor
soon lvl 60 eni
soon lvl 60 sram

that is 6 accounts, none are F2P, all are P2P. I pay to have membership on those 3 accounts. 6 mnths P2P is £20 in UK est

How about everymonth theres 2 days where f2ps can be in the p2p side and do whatever they please, but they have to find out when these 2 days are. this thread is about "we want more f2p content" Not "f2ps sucks we p2ps are better" not that its true but thats what almost everyone is posting.

This the Official We Want More F2P Content thread. It is not the Let's Argue Why Dofus Should Be Free thread. It says right in the rules for this section: "The economic model of dofus (subscription + a tiny f2p area) can not be changed. No need to discuss about any modification of this model"

And it is definitely not the Insult People By Calling Them "Kids And Retards" thread.

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Also, I don't believe for one minute that you have a magical keyboard that leaves "t" and "h" alone when separate, but turns them into "z"s when combined. If you can type the letters separately, you can type them together. There is no such thing as a text accent.

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Why don't you just pay. There are a lot of MMORPG's that don't even have a free to play option so you should be lucky to get what you are. Just suck it up and pay. Why should the people at Ankama give you anymore than what they have.

The only thing I'd like F2ps to be able to do, which they can't do now, is to be able to finish any of the quests they can start in the F2P areas, even if they extend out in the P2P areas.

A couple of quests which just require you to reach a certain location can be done ("unguided tour" is one I think), but others ("the plant dissession" series requires you to talk to an NPC down south, and then kill a flower monster out in the P2P area also) you can't.

Though at the same time, the fact I have unfinished quests that require me to go into P2P areas is tempting me to go P2P, at least to complete those quests (and it's hardly particularly expensive for the week/month I'd actually need to complete them).

I'm a F2P player on Shika. Have been for a while. I got myself and a friend of mine into Dofus, and we're both now in our mid-20's level wise. I've got an Osamodas' Whip, and she's got an Eniripsa. And a friend of hers is a Feca whom she brought in to tank for us. Man, Fecas can tank like mad with their damage-reducing shields, making it much easier on the Eniripsa to heal. Meanwhile I stand back and spam the map with tofus!

Er, *ahem*. What pisses me off is that, as someone mentioned before, everything on Shika seemed F2P. We spent so much time in the Jelly Peninsula getting the ingredients for Wabbit potions for every member of our party, and then going on to take on Wabbit Island.

And then one day, I logged in and nothing was F2P anymore. If I so much as step outside of the area surrounding Astrub, I'm greeted with a red block to the left of my screen with a lighter red palm symbol on it, and that one bird totem dude telling me that this area is for members only.

Keep some of your locations, classes, professions, profession levels above 30, items, etc as P2P. I didn't care about that. I didn't mind at all. But it's completely unnecessary to give us access to all these great things and then take them all away at once, leaving us with a piddly little 5% to play on.

I'm seething with anger right now, so I'm trying my best not to say something that will get this post deleted. But COME ON! When you make something free, leave it free!! There's plenty of P2P things to generate revenue for the developers. Taking everything away from the F2P'ers with no warning like that is just bulls**t.

What are we supposed to do now? And don't tell me to pay for an account. Dofus is a wonderful game in my opinion, and I would be willing to pay for access to even the things F2P previously had before this trickery came to pass. But snatching everything away from us and expecting us to pay for what we were already enjoying for free before is just unacceptable.

It's not about whether I'm able to scrounge up the money for a paid account anymore. It's a principal now. Nobody should take stuff away from anyone and then tell them they have to pay to have it back.

I apologize to the developers and staff. You probably hear tons of people complaining all day. I don't want to make you guys feel bad. Just... put yourself in my shoes. I love Dofus, and I enjoy playing it. Sure there were some places I couldn't access. Sure there were maximum levels for professions. Sure there were P2P classes. But I could deal with that. I wasn't greedy. I was perfectly fine with what I had as a F2P. A level 22 Osamodas who can summon 6 tofus, and two of the awesomest party members ever. (A spunky Eniripsa who always backed me up with healin's and obsessively loved my tofu, and a kind, funny Feca who could tank much better for us than an Iop or Sacrier ever could, simply due to the fact that reducing his damage makes him much easier to heal for the Eniripsa.) Now that we have nothing left, none of my friends will play anymore and sadly, I probably won't either.

I'm not asking for much. By all means, keep the special P2P areas and things you had before. Just give us back what we had before.

You actually got over 3 weeks warning prior to Shika becoming entirely P2P. There was an announcement on the 24/10 stating that the entire world would be opening and becoming P2P mid november. Then on the 15/11 (or around then, cant remember), they changed it to F2P. You guys had a lot of warning. And regardless of that, Shika was never going to be entirely open to F2P members forever..

Again, they gave 3 weeks notice.

Again, warning was given.

It is not trickery. Shika was never intended to be entirely F2P forever. In fact, I like the way they opened Shika, it showed all the F2P people what they could have, on a larger scale. I think it was an excellent marketing scheme, and if they raked in the subscriptions after that, then more power to them.

Aw. Haha, I must not have been paying attention. Too busy having fun and stuff.

I'd totally be willing to get a subscription, but I doubt my friends would. And without friends to play with, it just isn't as much fun. Heck, that's why I quit once a year or two back; because the people I brought with me to play stopped playing with me.

Unless my party gets a subscription with me, I probably won't be getting one. Sucks to be me. Unless Wakfu is free when it comes out. Then I'm sure we'll move to that!

hello...
i'm new to this game although i heard about it a lot with my friends...

i've read all of your posts and MAN!!!IT"S INTENSE HERE!!!!
i just want to say that both sides have points well said but what about the people playing from asia...
i'm from asia and apparently can't pay the fee because it's in visa which is not common around here....
i would like also to add if the people who created the game add a little bit of privilege for F2P...
not much, just enough like 6%..maybe..hehe...

the game is great and all of us can agree on that...
it's just that i wana play more..T.T(crying)

well, good luck to all of you DOFUS players...
i'll definitely wait for some developmets for F2P players...

thanks..

I am from asia and i have no problem paying, just because no one you know use visa doesn't mean it's not common. still most people use PBC

I apologise for not taking the time to read every post in this great thread, but I'd like to make a few suggestions.

I'm not suggesting more F2P content in a way which would damage the server (either by dissuading the people from subscibing and experiencing all of what Dofus has to offer), or to increase the strain on the servers and thus hurt Dofus and by extension it's developers, community, and other such.

I'm suggesting that of the available content, there should be a more diverse selection of monsters, equipment drops, and also ways to experience the game - other than through only subscribing. I'm fully aware that this is a service and that it is provided free of charge (albeit limited) is a great service to those who would never subscribe (I am not one of those), but it also offers to those who would otherwise not even develop an interest in this game a reason to be. F2P has developed in such a way that it has become more than a playable demo. Especially since F2P can interact with P2P in a great deal of ways.

Anyways, to my suggestion.

More diverse monsters in the areas surrounding Astrub. (different, perhaps even new monsters) And also the same for the Incarnam area.

Regards,
Blackee.

GUYS!

LIFE COSTS MONEY!

THATS WHY YOU GET A JOB!

THE FOOD ON YOUR TABLE IS PAID FOR WITH MONEY!

STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT F2P's NOT HAVING ENOUGH!

DOFUS IS A LUXURY!

APPRECIATE IT FOR WHAT IT IS, AND IF YOU WANT MORE, PAY!

I hope I have made my point clear.

• bennytothemax

It is clear.
However, realise that many, like you, are close-minded towards F2P's right and/or existence.
But also, please realise that many F2P posting in threads like those are also close-minded towards deserving more.

As such, repeating that over and over again doesn't accomplish anything except wasting your time, and also mine because I have to read it.

My view on this: I was P2P, knowing I wouldn't be every single day of the year. So I spent PAYED time to work on characters that would suit this situation. However, it is getting ruined time and time again by downdates. As such, I do not want to be P2P again until I can resume what I was doing. So of course, I'm "whining" to get those changes done. The current change being the elimination of gobtubbys : no P2P for me until I can have my gobtubbys. I would also forget about subscribing if banks were taken away, but fortunately Amakna changed their mind on this for now.

What a stupid argument.
If you would pay, you could use that specific pet. But since you can't use it as f2p you're not paying - though you could use it then?

sorry, but you really sound a bit retarded...

And you appear to lack principles. Have your parents or grandparents ever gone on strike? They need more money, so they deliberately cut themselves off from earning money (by withholding their services) until the standards they want are implemented so the money they earn is what they need.

This is just a watered down version of going on strike.

He refuses to pay Ankama money until he knows he can do what he perceives as fair whether he is F2P or P2P. In this case I agree with him - At the very least F2P should be allowed to feed their pets by some means, but I also think the provision of the gobtubby pet to the F2P community constitutes a good "trial" for the use of pets.

Essentially it's a contest between him and Ankama. Does he need his gobtubby more than Ankama need his money? I think he's on the losing side all right, but I won't criticise a guy for backing up his principles, especially if he backs them up knowing he's on the losing side ;)

Customer>Everything

But for Ankama, they got so much customers that losing a few like Rollback doesn't affect them the slightest.

SnarfSnarf and WarroirFelix : thanks. I think it's the first time I see someone understand my view on this.

Man that's harsh!!
I was just stating my appinions! why does it have to end up like this! sorry guys for causing this with my subject.

If youve tried to lvl up on chafers...need i say more. They spawn one mob of chafers, about every ten minutes, and then it becomes a frenzy being the first to attack the chafers, so the (group-only's) dont kick u. I check into the chafer hole at different times, but its always a fight over who gets the battle. I like fighting chafers, because rocks can get incredibly boring for a lvl 65 sadi. Dont mean to complain cause I've never been p2p, but i would like to fight a chafer every once in awhile, since rocks and chafers are my only challenging options.

Pay and you can fight them to your hearts content.

You're level 65!? Sixty-five!? And you're still testing the game in "discovery mode"? I couldn't stand it after 3 days and had to start p(l)aying, but 65... don't you get bored?

Not me.

Chafers in particular are made hard to level on to control F2P's level. While not having a strict restriction, it strongly discourages staying F2P when you get at level 40+ or so. I think that's the way it should be: by level 40 you should have a pretty good idea of what the game is and be ready to decide to pay or not.

i agree i think that shield and pets should be F2p because u might not know if somehting is or not then buy it waste money i think it should F2p should have most bonus of p2p with excpetions of going to different places

There is, in fact, one F2P shield: the sponge shield. It's rather weak and I've never tried it myself though.

Just for fun you should let the F2P players be able to counquer territory from P2P, via prisms or whatever. If you don;t control the prism you can't fight the monsters and/or farm, making them rather worthwhile. I pay to play so I am not really concerned if it changed

Ha ha. Lvl 65. I would go crazy staring at the screen waiting for the respawn and competing everyone i the cave, hoping nobody reacts faster than you. You must be sitting at the computer 24/7. lol

Woahs, that's pretty impressive,

However..., I knew a few or so players in Incarnam, that were 60-70--sole from the Dungeon and Incarnam Chafers...

I'd opt for the Incarnam Chafers; remember--SAVE AT THE INCARNAM ZAAP. You do not want to be sent to Astrub at Lv.16+.

Oh yeah, (if you can) we all recomend subscribing. F2P is meant to be for testing. But if you must... try Incarnam's dungeon/Chafers.

There won't be as much stress and faster respawn times. (If you don't mind starting over again.) Also: if you ever happen to fall to Astrub--you've got your other alt again.

Chances are they won't be adding more F2P content, for awhile--if ever. But there's always a chance.

-Cato

I think there should be more stuff for F2P members like more than just a single pet for F2P members. At least one place for us to explore with high level monsters. cuz if they dont the might lose F2P members and not get possible P2P members. So really it would be awesome if there was one more place with 50 to 150 lvl monsters. Otherwise when F2P members get to like level 40 or 50 it would start to get impossible to level up. And they would quit. Thank You for taking your time and reading this now please take your time to write an answer to this.

lol true, but if they show you everything what's left for you to discover? Then p2p will be pointless

Lokiivy, if this idea were to go through; Ankama may aswell just eliminate the P2P options and make Dofus free. But you and I know that will not happen.

If you wish to gain levels extensivley and reek the benefits of P2P, the only way to do so is to P2P. I guarantee you Ankama would rather 100 freeloaders quit than extend the F2P benefits and thus gain less subscriptions .

Ankama have already said they don't have any immediate plans to increase F2P benefits.

Sophidian ^^

This post has been edited by Sophidian: 21 Nov 2008, 04:32

Good point there. Thank you for reading and answering!

Ok ok I was only saying there should be ONE 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 more place for F2P not everywhere and like two more pets and a few more monsters.

I'm a p2p and personally like the current f2p/p2p ratio of playable versus non-playable content. However, I know when I started that astrub was my world and I started long enough ago that there wasn't even a field dungeon. Dofus seemed like a good enough game at the time but nothing I would ever pay for because there just wasn't all that much to do. Of course I was wrong I just didn't know it. There is tons of stuff to do but it is very hard to know that as an f2p.

My suggestions is quests that allow the f2ps a glimpse of p2p life. For instance make 'spectator quests'. The f2p themselves can not take part in a battle outside of astrub but allow specing fights and through a quest gain some amount of xp, kamas, or items. For example 'Watch as a mighty Mama Koalak is felled by an intrepid warrior and gain 2500xp by basking in the glory of a fresh kill.' The quest itself requires the f2p person to meander through ankama, the bog, and koalaks without the use of zaaps and requires that they watch a fight against a Mama Koalak where the Mama dies. This would take a while but be valuable in terms of watching high level players in a fight, seeing the wide world of Dofus firsthand, and gaining a decent amount of xp (or kamas or equips). There could be a series of these quests so that a player might have to venture all the way to bonta or brak cities to complete them. All the while the character is helping themselves by gaining a decent (for under level 20) amount of xp, they get to watch higher level p2p players beat high level monsters, and they have a reason to explore areas outside of Astrub.

Again this is just my suggestion but it seems that it might help show f2pers what they're missing by not subscribing in a way that offers the player some incentive to do so.

As a personal note I always found it odd that spectator mode was disabled outside of astrub for f2ps. That seems counter intuitive both in terms of letting them see the rest of dofus and watching how other players handle themselves and their spells.

Don't you ever think p2p and f2p are unfair? Well i do we f2p work our a * * off trying to level while p2p has it all. The areas,emotes,pets,kamas,exp fights.i Think we should be able to kill what they kill use what they use whos with me? But there could still be a paying thing to get pets and yeah free items if thats what the game needs, but i would like f2p to be able to go to areas too and kill things p2p too so its fair.Also im leader of a guild and yet i cant place perceptors in p2p land? Seem unfair? I THINK SO post here for a PETISHION

I'm sorry to hear that maybe you should become p2p by paying. Ankama makes money that way.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's supposed to be unfair? You would think that they wouldn't give you those rights for free.

I think F2P did get unfair treatment at times. In very particular cases. Definately not "should have access to everything... basically be P2P without paying" They need the right amount of restrictions so players will be brought into the game and then tempted to pay.

Overall I think it's ok.

I don't know what seems unfair, to you. But the situation looks pretty fair to me.

You don't walk into a game store and tell the shop keeper that it's unfair because some people pay to play the game, and you want it for free. To me, that is quite fair .

*does not sign the petition*

Sophidian ^^

Yes, it's completely unfair.

We pay for the game - and f2p-freeloaders can play without giving even one cent.
Close the servers for f2p.

I can't believe the nerve of some people to demand something for nothing. I think they should ban F2P (those having NEVER paid) from the servers entirely.

DOFUS, should neither be fully free to play, or fully pay to play. The 5% of the game, put aside for the free players, is a fair amount. It's enough to test the game; enough to decide whether or not to pay for it .

I also disagree with subscription only servers, I rely on free players to bring me mats from Astrub forest. And I don't believe it would be good for the economy on Rushu.

Sophidian ^^

if you want to have the same rights as a P2P member here is a suggestion.....

go get a job. if u cant do that , mow some lawns . . .

-------the point is this---------
if F2P members had the same rights, nobody would pay, myself included. which means ankama goes out of business and nobody plays.....
ill say it one more time for the adolescent and economically impaired....if nobdy pays, then nobody plays....simple as that.

i do think, however that certain rights should be allowed for F2P members that currently are not.

1. allow them to at least feed their pets.
-----it is unfair if you have spent alot of time and money raising pets and then lapse for a day or 2 only to have it starve or die.

2. let their craft level remain unsanctioned by their subscription status.
-----this will strengthen the economy , reduce the cost of goods overall , and most materials/many workshops are not avaliable in astrub anyway. this will also help combat the bot issue indirectly as F2P members will begin to play the same economic function as the bots, and reduce the benefit of mat farming for the bots.




Eshuon of Rosal

Adding Incarnam was enough F2P content! When I first started playing I had to get trained by a friggin bird and my big training before going into the Dofus World was an arachnee! Be thankful for what you have now and be thankful you didn't start 3 years ago with me and my cousin. Now I had never subscribed to an MMORPG before until Dofus, after running around astrub fields and fighting crackrocks in the mountains I knew that I wanted to subscribe and level my character to the max! How much more content do you need?

This post has been edited by puntang: 3 Dec 2008, 23:18

The ability to feed pets would be nice. Not having the bonus, but just being able to feed them.

Also, not losing what we already have. I used a lot of P2P time to feed gobtubbys because I knew they would be with me 365 days a year. And when I became F2P again first thing I knew was Amakna was taking them away.

Oh well, get P2P again. Having the ability to feed your pet is a members ability and should remain being so, put your pet in the bank if you dont want it to die.