Language rules fail on the international servers Hello everyone,

honestly.. the language rules for the international servers failed bigtime...

- you still get very rude commends like "fuk yo anglais!" if you ask people to please talk english when sending you pm's on crafting runes...
- the recrute chat is especially in cania 90% french even right after the rules announcement.. for example a few minutes recrute chat on rushu in the cania plains:



since the offical post about the language rules and french speaking players on rushu was closed with the "speak to the dofus team" forum, i have the feeling that the french speaking increased again especially on weekends... it seems no one is enforcing the "sanctions" for not speaking english.
sooo.. what now? does that mean that players from other language countrys that normaly speak english on the international servers can be so ignorant too and start talking german, polish, russian, chinese and italian too ? ( my motherlanguage is not english btw )

cherche groupe pour kani svp lvl 28!

Sad, but true. When that announcement appeared, there was a "french revolution", and nothing was done at all ever since. It's just as bad as it has always been.

Yeah it's bad on Rosal with the polish and turkish players.

I don't mind it, it just means that business is harder

I do mind, when 8 of 10 people pm me in french and when I reply to them "Talk english on Rush" i get a "Fuck anglais" as answer. It is annoying when almost every chat is flooded 90% in french! And it is impertinent from these Frenchies when they think rules don't apply to them, because they are french.

This post has been edited by FesteringPit: 3 Nov 2009, 23:20

Personally, I don't mind how lax the enforcement is of "English only". I wouldn't mind if they gave some of the bigger languages their own chat-channel (which you could mute obviously).

I think I have a bigger issue with the fact that the French have a tonne of server dedicated to them, much better support for those servers, and whatever else Ankama choose to laden on them, but the relatively measly servers given over to the International community (or even specific region/languages) still find themselves treated by the French players as even more servers "for them". They want, and get their cake... and eat everyone else's too.

I'm glad about it. I really don't like those rules.

It would be more confident for me too if i could just spam alemannic or german text all over the place, you know. But the difference between you and me (or most other people for that matter) is that i'm respecting the community and its people and threat them the way i'm expecting to get threaten myself.

totally agreed! honestly! i would never ever be so daft and expect that everyone understands pms in my motherlanguage on the international servers and even more, insult the others if they reply politely.. "sorry i dont speak your language.. please speak english.."

its a social and comunity respecting behaviour, to speak english on the international servers.. doing otherwise is asocial, disrespectful and plain egoistic.. and its very sad that more and more players behave like that

This post has been edited by Marleen: 4 Nov 2009, 23:46

It is quite possible that there were no Moderators online at the time that this took place.

- XXVI

they should invent an auto translator ^^ so when french people type stuff it just gets translated to english automatically. that would shut em up lol.

shame it cant happen

Or an expanded emote/chat-template system, which has generic phrases like "looking for party", or "selling ..." etc.

This post has been edited by GoldfishGod: 5 Nov 2009, 14:22

There seems to never be any moderators online on Rosal, you can shout what ever you want on e.g. /r and /b.

I never understood why on an International server they expect everyone to speak english. I mean it is the international server, not the english or american server. I have no issue being spoken to in another language or trying to do basic communication through a common language or even using a translator(whether it be google translator or a friend next to me that understands the language).

Though I'm pretty sure if someone replied to me in such a rude manner, I'd write their /whois name down, take a screenshot, send it in for abuse. And make sure to never help that person in anyway again. And if I manage to see their guild tags, id probably raid their percs upon sight.

It's actually related to Moderation. The same reason why the International's forum is "English only". Unless the moderators know every language on the planet it become near impossible for them to "moderate" things because they won't understand what's being said in some cases.

In PM between two people who use that language, it's fine... in shared public channels it just becomes messy.

It's not spamming, it's communication. I am all for politeness, but am also all for allowing multiple languages. One of the things I really like about Dofus is that I meet players from all over the world - it's been a great chance for me to practice my German, French, and Spanish skills. I don't want that to change, so I encourage people to ignore the (relatively new) language rules, because I think they're bad for the community.

To put in my two cents, if you want to speak French, play a French server. English is the most spoken language in the world besides Mandarin Chinese, and most native Mandarin speakers don't play Dofus. That is why you must speak English on international forums and servers. There are more French servers than all other languages combined! Use them to speak French, why don't you? And to Improv, a non-controversial way to practice French, German, and Spanish is to go on those servers.

This post has been edited by DWKmaster: 7 Nov 2009, 01:05

It's very annoying that there's blatant disregard for the rule going on, and none of the rule breakers care. I'm not sure if it's humanly possible to enforce it enough to get all the foreign language out of public chat, sadly.

all the french guys came to rushu because the heard there wasa americans and then the americans quitted in rushu cuz too much french people and came to solar and so the rushu came overpopulated by french people.
it pisses me so hard every time i get invited to a kani hunt group they kick me cuz i dont speak french.....
my anger cannot be put to words atm....

This post has been edited by zetzima: 7 Nov 2009, 21:28

Bad for the community. So do you prefer seeing people complaining about the mess on the international forums all the time. And what do you call that, a well working community? As in the rushu community, per example, that is actually a bunch of communities that hate each other? And if you refer to that spam on the picture as communication, then you're pretty much the minority here.

Anyway, you can still try to promote your anarchic views here, but i'm still against this pitiful, miserable mess on certain international servers caused by a lot of immature players and a lack of rules. You can't expect to put a ton of kids onto a heap and have them form a community without rules.

I've spent a lot of time on Dofus. I'm not going to make a new character for each and every language I might want to practice, on a completely separate set of servers, so if I hop on one suddenly my friends can't find me?

Ever spend some time in NYC? London? Any big city? You hear a bunch of languages in public. In my neighbourhood, I hear English, Yiddish, Russian, German, and French on an almost daily basis, with some other languages as well.

It's not anarchic. I am all for rules when they make sense and help the community. This rule sucks. So you can't understand everything said around you - big deal. That's true in real life just as much as games. The last thing we should want is language police.

Everyone I know speaks English in my community or they aren't a part of my community.

Like Blazeron said its not that the players need to understand what other people are saying, but its the mods. I dont care if you talk to your friends in whatever language but if you use the public channels at least have the courtesy to use english.

Look at it from another point:
There are "official" lines of communication, i.e. public (recruitment, trading, alignment) channels, and "private" lines, i.e. guild, group, and pm's.
When using official lines one should speak official language, which is used as lingua franca (here we have English as one), and in private one can use whatever language is more convenient.

If you live abroad you don't speak with people in your mother tongue, you use the language that will be understandable to the most of the people in that place. Also you can't expect to be allowed to public communication channels (TV, radio, newspapers, etc.) if you don't speak the official language unless it's a special project targeting specific auditory.

I don't live in the country where people speak my native language and I have no problems with speaking the language people can understand here. All other immigrants I know do the same. They speak their native languages when talk to family members or compatriots, but they use the official state language when on public. It's just a question of convenience and respect.

I love how the mods deleted my comment regarding having no mods on Rosal and being able to shout anything you want on /r and /b. Dictatorship ftw? Banning the ones showing Ankamas weak points.

Ya lol you can say anything you want in /r. Even if its in english and able to be read by a moderator. I've never seen anyone sanctioned for saying anything and I have seen and participated in many conversations in /r that have nothing to do with recruitment for anything.

And whats wrong with a good dictatorship? It keeps people in line, too bad ankama doesn't have it since we don't have lines.

That is a xenophobic remark. Also hyperbolic.

Actually, they think they can ignore the rules because they're immature, foul-mouthed little tw*ts. The nationality (and you forget that French is also widely spoken in Belgium, Switzerland, North Africa, some place called Quebec, and even some parts of the USA) has nothing to do with it.

The good news is: there are fewer of them than on the French-language servers. The bad news is: a fair number of the immature, foul-mouthed little tw*ts online are English-speaking. You know, the sort that think it's clever to have the words "phuck", "rape", "wank" and so on in a character or guild name? Talk 13-year-old dirty in public chats?

Since when is it xenophobic if you dislike frenchies? Are frenchies everyone there is now, or what? Agreed, if you go to tainela while hating frenchies then it might seem xenophobic because 100% of the people around you will be french.

And he's not being hyperbolic because you can be pretty sure that he'll be annoyed when being exposed to 90% french chat.

By the way, i'd like to point that we're not talking about french. We're talking about some horribly multilated version of french that's basically optical torture. Or is stuff like "ki pr dj bef" or "kelkun ven ano buftu" just remotely related to the french language?

I find it's the rudeness that bothers me much more than the fact that it's in a language I don't understand.

I simply disagree that there should be an official language on International servers. I do not approve of rudeness, regardless of language issues. I think saying "**** Anglais" is rude, but I also consider it rude to tell people what language to speak. Sure, the swearing is ruder, but both are pretty rude and I'd like to see neither. In an ideal world, people would not demand that others speak their language, and in a slightly less ideal world, if they do, people will just say "no".

With my profession stones, I often get requests to mage or craft things in all sorts of crazy languages - I help them when I can understand them, and when I can't, I tell them in English that I don't understand the language in which they're asking. In public communication, I simply ignore things I don't understand. You can do that too. It's polite, it's not pushy on others, and you're not challenging people to remain polite when you rudely tell them how to talk.

Remember as well that these lousy language rules are new - people who made their characters before they were enacted did so not expecting these rules to be put into place. You can't expect them to be happy if they don't speak any or much English. It's not like they can freely move their characters to escape your unreasonable demands. If you want to be fair, I think you should demand that they be allowed to leave the server so your notion of linguistic purity can be fairly applied. Personally, I'd rather have a diverse community, but if we're going to go down the ugly path you desire, let people out who didn't expect this kind of thing.

To my knowledge, there is a rule specifically for International Servers (mainly Rosal), intended to be abided by. Unfornately, this rule is ignored by the masses. This aforementioned rule, is the one that states the requested language of ALL International Servers is ENGLISH. Now, maybe this doesn't register as "important" to most, but it will when you're in the middle of a serious battle attempting to talk strategy to an ally, telling them to follow a challenge, or just simply asking them to leave you an opening for an attack, and you're replied with the following............................ Espanol? YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW INFURIATED THAT MAKES ME, WHEN THAT HAPPENS TO ME! Especially considering the position that it puts me in during battle, and the fact that it happens rather frequently. Should I honestly be penalized for not paying attention in Spanish class, or because I chose my second language to be Japanese, as opposed to Spanish? I mean, after all, everyone's not multilingual. If I'm wrong about this please inform me, but otherwise, this has to change. Espanol, my foot......................... Sacrier's Foot, to be exact.

I Kn Leaving Him Confused. I want This To Stop!

Yes, but you also have to understand for people that actually intend on learning the English language, they feel it would be a good idea to join a server that speaks that native tongue, to better acquaint themselves. I in fact plan on going into the German server at one point to make a character, just to better further the German language, which i know basic information in. The fact is, is that if you can use Basic english, they can most likely understand you.

English illiteracy is highly unattractive when you have the resources to find the definition of an English word. I request you pick up a dictionary, as you have clearly shown you do not know the definition of 'xenophobic'.


I suggest you pick a story and stick to it. First, it's not "xenophobic if you dislike Frenchies", and then "if you go to Tainela while hating Frenchies, then it might seem xenophobic..."

Yes, I do recommend sticking to one story; that way, contradictions can be avoided.


It is an exaggeration, as the statistic is not trusted, nor cemented. There are some places in DOFUS with a heavier French presence than others, and there are also specific time frames when there are a strong presence of French players.

He was without a doubt being hyperbolic.


I'm sure when Ankama releases a rule against the use of internet language on an internet game, you will have every right to complain about such torture. Until then...

-MaryMoo

This post has been edited by Marymoo: 10 Nov 2009, 07:58

BTW, I Have A Feeling That My First Reply Was A Complete Mess I Say That Papayaluva Is Comletely Right, And That I Take Back Anything Opposing In My First Reply.


Shadow, I Have A Lvl 26 Sram Called Shadow-Fight, And Since We Have Close Names I Totally Advise You To Listen To Papayaluva And Try To Actually Speak Basic. You Know, People Would Really Appreci8 You That Way.

This post has been edited by Bazzy: 10 Nov 2009, 08:32

English is the official language and should be used on public channels. But in private people may talk whatever language they want.

It's your fault you can't find people you understand to team up with. You are not forced to fight side by side with Spanish speaking people.

And if we talk about irritations, you can't even imagine how irritate me americans who know no language except English and even it they know only in slang and/or sms versions. Should I really be penalised for not living in their neighborhood and not knowing their local dialect?

Maybe not exactly the same.

Sure is broken grammar and spelling there... and you're complaining about people not speaking English?

This is a duplicate thread anyway: Language rules fail on the international servers

Honestly goldfish god, what isnt a duplicate thread lol.

I think that we have different understanding of what is polite and what is not. I do not like rude people myself and I understand your point about rudeness of telling people what language to speak. But I think here we have a problem 1 vs many and while you make decision for the best of one, I tend to favour the needs of many. I believe it is rude to talk on public in language most people do not understand. I also think it's rude to pm a random person using your native language and expect him/her to understand it (assuming your native language is different from lingua franca).

I do ignore people who speak any language I don't understand, and I can tolerate multi-language public communications. However as my mother tongue doesn't belong to one of very wide spread and I used to live and work surrounded by people speaking plenty of different languages I still believe that one official language is better than no language rules. It's not only a matter of politeness but also one language makes things much more convenient for everyone.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who fights for language rules, for me it's just one more excessive rule that could do better if it was a suggestion or ideally a tradition based on common sense. I just tried to give you another view on the problem.

I agree that players who came to international server before the language rules were enforced should have an option of one time character and items transfer to another non-international server (but the choice of servers should be limited to developed ones to maintain the game balance). And if they choose to stay on the international server they should follow the server rules.

I agree with a lot that's been said.

People should indeed abide by the rules, by speaking English in a public chat. I, myself, am Dutch -but I hardly ever use it on DOFUS. Why? Because not everybody I team up with can understand it.

People whose first language is English, tend not to know any other language. That's kind of annoying, but then: they're lucky enough to speak the language Ankama chose for their international servers.

Everybody should at least know basic English, and when playing with players that don't speak your language, you either adapt to them (when possible) or resort to using the international language, which is English. Whenever I play with players that I don't know (people I found in /r, for instance), I start making conversation, and if I get the feeling they're not all that fluent in English, I ask where they're from; if they happen to be Dutch or whatever, we can use Dutch. If not, I keep my English simple.


I guess that, in the end, it comes to respecting each other's language, and above all, respecting the rules. If your English is craptastic, you can always apologize for that, while not even trying is plain wrong.

This post has been edited by MisterJeffy: 10 Nov 2009, 15:13

The point of the matter is that English is a commonly spoken language through out the world. In fact (for the moment, this might change in a few decades but that will just start a political discussion hehe) when people get into the business world, often times they are required to know English at a proficient level simply because of so many English speaking companies through out the world. I, myself, know English, German, bits of Russian, and I can speak a little slang Japanese. However there is no way that I should be forced to learn Spanish, Dutch, French, and the many many dialects spoken through out the world. Perhaps a savant could learn every language there is in the world but I am no savant. Doubt many of the mods and GM's are savants either. English is the most common language, so that is why they chose that language for international servers.

I have no problems with people who speak broken English, or attempt to. I will sit and try and work out what they need and how to communicate with them. However being told to "Speak French Noob!" on an international server makes me go >.> and is the reason when Rosal came out I jumped ship from Rushu. While there are people who still spam /r and /b in spanish and Portuguese I have yet to be harrassed in PM by them for not speaking those two languages.

I agree with Nikto, in private chat (such as battle chat, guild chat, and pm) all languages are catered to, it is only in public chat that it should be English only.

Would you like to live in a real-life community that operated like that?

Clearly not the same. There are some rules on these forums that don't apply in-game, and the issue of SMS language is one of them.

-MaryMoo

I've been playing Wakfu Les Gardiens, which is completely in French. I can barely speak any French. I can, however, get by by using a two-way translator program, so I can understand what people say to me, and I can vaguely talk to them. It's a good thing I'm fast at typing. However, in Dofus, you can use /selection on to enable you to highlight what people say, and then paste it into a translator program. Les Gardiens doesn't let you do that. If I can do this, why don't more people do this? It seemed to me to be the only sensible thing to do.

yes, its very bad on rosal with the polish and turkish players, but not only that they overflood in language but the most hatefull part of them is that they spam guilds with overflooding percattacks though they know they can't win >: (




well, accely i've only seen a moderator once saying something on the Rosal /r chat and that was when they were overflooding it with insults in dutch (like i dont know a year ago i think that was)
for the rest I've only seen 2 other mods in the 2,4 years I play it ='(

though I don't mind it if peaple speak dutch (I speak dutch as a motherlanguage) or italian or spanish or finnish or w/e in /p or /g chat because (mostly) much peaple in it understand that language OR what I sometimes do is saying something in dutch to a friend on /g or /p chat if it is ment ONLY for a couple of players who understand it...

but what I do hate are those 'real internationals' who spam the overall chats in their motherlanguage or even start insulting us in their motherlanguage
I realy hope something will change on that w:


cheers,
-brave

This is not relevant to the issue of language on International Servers, nor is it against the rules.


All languages and nationalities have the unfortunate quality of insulting another language or nationality. It doesn't pertain to just one language/nationality.

-MaryMoo

Real life communities operate exactly like this. In places where live and work people of different nationalities one language is used as official and all public communication uses it while private conversations aren't limited to some language.

Huge international companies usually have a language requirement for candidates if they are supposed to work in the multinational office.
Every country has one or several official languages that must be used for official correspondence, for court, any official conversation. And in case someone doesn't know the official language he/she must ask an assistance of translator (in some cases translator can be provided by government).
I assure you no official service will accept your papers if they aren't translated properly into official language. And very often an officer won't listen to you if you can't speak the official language, unless it's a criminal case and you are needed.

You're dancing between two notions of "official language" here (glossing over the difference between official communication and public communication). What I mean is, would you be happy living in a real-life community where only English were spoken in public? Where all signs must be in English and are only in English, restaurants are fined if they use anything else, people are shunned if they speak anything else in earshot of English speakers? In the US, in fact we don't have official languages. In most states, you can get documentation and be dealt with by the law in a variety of languages if you so choose. That is NOT what I'm talking about.

In Dofus, we have very little official communication, because there isn't a government to speak of and moderators are scarce. By contrast, we have a lot of public communication - people shouting things out, making broad requests, responding to adverts, etc. In real life, we have a lot of public communication too. In real life, in most communities public communication can be in whatever language people want. If you want to put up a sign in spanish, no big deal. If you want to give a speech in Cajun French, you can. Hand out fliers in German or Yiddish? People won't stop you. Use the ATM in Swahili? If it offers it.

Let's ignore the "official communications" thing - it's a red herring. Would you prefer to restrict "public communication" to one language? (France and Quebec do this to a limited extent with their language laws, other western countries generally do not)

yes I know it doesnt mathers... but though.. I was just saying that those ppl not realy spam with their language but with perc attacks....

and the second quote: ur right but still they got their own server, why not make an account on that server and leave the ppl who realy wna speak english with peace... >: (

Quote for truth. Or as french people would say it on international servers, citer pour la verite.

You are exaggerating but I understand your idea and it's not exactly what I meant. Sometimes it's really hard for me to express my thoughts rights if we are talking about tiny details.

I lived in the US and currently I'm in the process of getting visa to move there. Maybe you are right and there is no official language in the US (which I doubt as I remember very well the story about English getting only 3 votes more than German when the decision about the official state language was made) but for some reason American Embassy asked me to translate all my papers into english and they do refuse to accept my bilingual papers with no translation. And if I remember correctly in SF all road signs, menus, info lists on the bus stops, etc. are in English, though pretty often they are translated into Spanish and Chinese (but I never saw non-english road signs). The only place where I saw signs written not in English was Chinatown, but only far away from the "shopping route".
Exactly the same situation in my country, where all documentation must be in the official language (and it's required by law). And yes, menus in the restaurants, all tags and descriptions of the goods, all road signs, all other signs must be written in official language in my country. All other languages are optional and can be used, but if something misses documentation in official language it won't be certified and can't be sold. The seller of uncertified goods will be fined if the inspection sees these goods in the store.

The difference between your and my opinions in understanding "public communications", I think. I see public communications as official messages and messages meant for specific auditory but public at the same time.
I think that in Dofus recruiting, trading and alignment chats represent official public communications as they are meant to be used for communication with general public. Misusing them is another question. Black chat is public but it's limited to certain location and isn't meant exclusively for communication with general public.
In other words recruitment, trading and alignment channels I see as analog of television, radio, newspapers, etc. while black chat could be seen as a street.
According to this I think that it would be better if the first three channels were restricted to official language and black chat should be free.

Ideally each huge national group should have their own channel where they could discuss things with their compatriots with no limitations.


Edit:
In fact the only thing that really annoys me are people who ask me to help them and then speak between themselves language I don't understand and they are aware of it. I consider it to be rude.
With everything else I can live whether it's convenient for me or not.

This post has been edited by Nikto: 11 Nov 2009, 18:04

Still irrelevant and still not worth mentioning as it breaks absolutely no rules.


It's an International Server; the presence of French speaking players is welcomed.

-MaryMoo

Again with that argument. There's a handy little way to speak French without controversy or anger. It's called going on a French server. English is the official language for the international servers, so if you want to be there, speak it. I rest my case.

This

Check this out. A wiki list of all the OFFICIAL languages of various countries...including America. The bold statement is incorrect.

You can speak in public however you want. You can also do whatever you want. That doesn't make either thing acceptable.
If my Chars name was "Omgf*ckmylilboy*ss" would that be acceptable? Now imagine you are a moderator on the International forum. You see this char, you take care of the situation as you are supposed to. Now, what if my name was "b*isezmonân*depetitg*rçon"? As a moderator that speaks English...as English is the official language of the server...perhaps the mod speaks spanish, russian, chinese, italian, and english...it doesn't matter. English is the servers language, so the language requirement is English. That mod wouldn't know how lewd that name is.

The main thing that you are failing to address is that this isn't real life. In the real world people bunch up in communities...hence China Town, German Village, ect. Spanish speaking people associate with primarily Spanish speaking people. In DOFUS we have no choice BUT to listen to everyone. Don't spout the IGNORE function nonsense because it would take hours to ignore them all. I am all for culture and diversity. In fact, look at French law, you need to learn French in order to get citizenship. NPR ran several stories about it.
The Black Chat, Trade, Recruitment, Alignment chats all should be in English. Black Chat is debatable and I don't really care either way.

It is disrespectful to others to make them close off chat screens because of foreign chatter. Its irrelevant whether or not it is disrespectful to the foreign language user, as it is an explicitly stated rule that they are not supposed to. If there are public complaints it means it is being widely used publicly.
My own views aside, it is against the rules. Simple as that. Keep it private or keep it English.

Why don't french try to look for a site that helps translate? I know some of them who are pure french but they use a translator, they can understand us if we speak proper english so they can have an easier time translating on thier translator or whatever.

if we spek lik dis dey wud not understand anyding we say bcuz da translator will have a harder time translating 2 english. how wud i no? bcuz i had a french speak lik dis in french and wen i use da translator the english came out weird but when dey spoke proper french translator came out with correct english and i wuz happy.



-xdark-osamodax

This post has been edited by thisgameizfun: 12 Nov 2009, 04:27

Absolutely. In fact, if you don't speak a language properly (and when I say speak, I mean type), and someone tries to put it through a translator program, it will generally not translate at all. In fact, here's a reasonable (although headache-inducing) translator program. Google Translate: French to English. Just fiddle with the buttons to find the languages you want.

But what about the people who listen to the rules but talk their own language too? Such as the people who say things like "vende chacha/selling bowmeow"? Why don't more people try to do things like this? If you use a translator program to find the correct phrase, and the community site to find the name of the item in another language, you can get by perfectly.

I have more of a problem with people who buy/sell on /r, and recruit on /b. You do get mods telling them off occasionally, but that tends not to work for long, if at all.

Its not relevant but its still harrassement of the guild and its members and thus against the rules.

The guild have chosen to place a perceptor and must live up to the standards of the attacker if they wish to maintain an adequate defense. Whether or not this is possible for the defending guild is still irrelevant. It is not harrassment, nor is it against the rules; it is therefore still irrelevant, irrespective of the attacker's nationality.

-MaryMoo

This post has been edited by Marymoo: 13 Nov 2009, 05:44

You know, if i got a word wrong, then why don't you just tell me so instead of blabbering something about the english language?



Actually, you proved that i'm right with this one. I said that it might SEEM xenophobic, and since you said that the statement was xenophobic, it must have seemed xenophobic to you, making my statement correct.



Haha, no. We're not talking about statistics. We're talking about this statement:



He never said that it happened. He only said that it would be annoying if it would happened. He could also say "It's annoying when 100% of the chat is flloded with alemannic" and it would still not be hyperbolic or wrong.

Make sure to know what exactly a statement is telling you before citing it.

It seems you in fact do know the definition of 'xenophobic', and that you intended in saying that disliking the French is not racist. "Since when is it xenophobic if you dislike Frenchies?"

I still recommend picking up a dictionary. Xenophobic isn't the only word you got "wrong".


Actually, I can see that you're attempting to make me look like the idiot, when it was you who could not pick a story and stick to it. Again, I will ask you to stick to one story, as it's either not "xenophobic to dislike Frenchies", or "it might seem xenophobic..."

Nice try, though.


It is hyperbolic, because it is exaggerated, as 100% of the chat is never flooded with Alemannic or French or... anything. Therefore, the person who made this statement could not know how annoying it is because it has never happened.

They are therefore pulling statistics out of their ass to try and cement their argument, which obviously has not worked. They are also being hyperbolic. They are exaggerating -- call it whatever you want.

Oh, and if no evidence is provided... it is wrong.


You too.

-MaryMoo

EVERYBODY SHUT UP ABOUT XENOPHOBIA/XENOHATRED!!!! I have a half-French best friend, and yet I also dislike French on international chat. It's not xenohating (Just coining a term) to say F*ck you Anglais, but apparently it is to say the equivalent of F*ck you French. And that's just plain hypocritical. On another note, I don't dislike the French, I dislike certain French people who ignore the rules and speak French French French like they're above the law.

This post has been edited by DWKmaster: 14 Nov 2009, 00:33

No one is claiming that disliking how French players use the public speech channels is xenophobic.

-MaryMoo

I'm a blowhard. I like being extreme.

Actually, it's very likely that i got more words wrong, since English isn't my first language. It's not even my second language. British English is the fourth language you learn here, and that's just British English, not this one.




I'm not trying to make anyone look liek an idiot. I'm trying to have a discussion here. But since you just didn't counter the argument at hand, it's kind of difficult to have an argument. Anyway, i don't really care wether you think that you're an idiot, but i don't think you are one.




That still doesn't change anything about the fact that he didn't say that 90% of the chat was flooded with french. As for the evidence, i'm pretty sure that pretty much everyone would agree that it's annoying if 100% of the chat was flooded with french - and that's what the statement was about: wether it would be annoying if it happened.

Kudos for that one!

Anyone care to guess how long it would take for sanctions to be applied if someone went on a French server and started spamming channels in English and swearing at the French speaking population in English the way the French speakers swear at English speakers. My guess is about 1 minute.So why can't the rules be enforced here?The rules are there for a reason they need to be enforced.whether people like it or not English is the international language of commerce, and I have no problem working with players that attempt English or speak even broken English to communicate.In fact a lot of my guild members speak English as a second language and one nice guy is Korean playing on a Spanish version of windows and he still manages to communicate in English because he tries. The fact that a number of players feel they have the right to flood channels in a language other than English or PM someone and then swear at them if they don't their language that is a problem.Whether chat is flooded 20% or 80% with a language other than English it is still against the rules.

I agree 100% with LordGrey

This thread is full of misinformation, flaming, and it's not going anywhere. I'm closing it, but first, some clarifications:

1) English is the official language on all the international servers. You must speak English in public chats.

2) If you cannot speak English at all, you must move to a server which uses your language. French players are blocked from creating new accounts on the international servers by IP address, so this problem should diminish with time.

2) Moderators do warn and mute people for speaking other languages when we see them. Unfortunately, we have to work, sleep, eat etc. and can't be on Dofus 24 hours a day.