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Dopples, why once a day ?
 XehanordHeart...
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post 28 Oct 2009, 12:35 | #1
Dopples
I just wonder why you can fight a dopple only once a day and ou can do the headhunter guest every 10 minutes.Why? The headhunter guest is really more annoying and gives better exp and rewards than dopples.
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post 28 Oct 2009, 12:52 | #2
QUOTE (XehanordHeartless @ 28 Oct 2009, 13:35) *
I just wonder why you can fight a dopple only once a day and ou can do the headhunter guest every 10 minutes.Why? The headhunter guest is really more annoying and gives better exp and rewards than dopples.



Because in theory Headhunter is much more difficult due to human players being able to think and strategize, while dopples run on a set AI. However Stroken farmer alts <100 kind of those this back in the face thanks to the imbalance of 1 v 1 below 100 due to some classes get powerhouse spells far earlier then others.
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 XehanordHeart...
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post 28 Oct 2009, 15:45 | #3
I wasn't talking about the rewards I was talking about the time sad.gif
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post 28 Oct 2009, 15:59 | #4
QUOTE (XehanordHeartless @ 28 Oct 2009, 16:45) *
I wasn't talking about the rewards I was talking about the time sad.gif


But that has everything to do with the rewards. Dopples are suppose to be easier to kill then human players, so if you were able to do dopples more then 1 time every 24 hours then you would be able to scroll super fast etc and so forth.
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 rossiscooler
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post 28 Oct 2009, 16:46 | #5
it would be too easy to level on, and thats not even considering what you could achieve with all them doploons
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 Blazeron
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post 28 Oct 2009, 19:20 | #6
Exactly. the amount of xp that dopples give is rather insane considering the little amount of time they take and the fact that you don't hav to pay anything (soulstones, etc.).
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post 28 Oct 2009, 20:18 | #7
Some of them take way longer then others (osa dopple for one) and the exp sucks half the time dopplers are to hard to even kill (and you do lose pet HP if you have one and die to a dopple)
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 XehanordHeart...
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post 28 Oct 2009, 21:52 | #8
I know a lot of players that lose to dopples.
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 SaddiXxX
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post 29 Oct 2009, 14:13 | #9
some dopples are way harder than others everything depends on class plus than you have to give up wis gear to PvP gear with much less wisdom so it ends up with very low exp for long waste of time.
when i lvling i get much more exp and far better drops which incomparable to dopplones plus i have 100% success in fight with 0% tactics due to strong PW+EQ takes about 1-3 turns = less time
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post 29 Oct 2009, 23:54 | #10
Head Hunter quest takes time to complete (depending on the target).

Dopples in less than a day will make it too easy because some of us can kill that certain dopple in maybe less than a minute or so, really it will turn out abusive if the time to fight them again is way less than 24 hours.



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post 30 Oct 2009, 06:15 | #11
Dopples help me PvP. Please pretty please?
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 Blazeron
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post 30 Oct 2009, 12:22 | #12
Actually, my dopple does help me in PvP :D
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post 31 Oct 2009, 01:44 | #13
I like the idea of fighting all dopples because it teaches me how to handle different classes.



-xdark-osamodax

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post 31 Oct 2009, 05:22 | #14
QUOTE (thisgameizfun @ 31 Oct 2009, 02:44) *
I like the idea of fighting all dopples because it teaches me how to handle different classes.



-xdark-osamodax

Of course after major changes to certain classes, fighting a dopple is an easy way to figure out what exactly changed about them. And a bonus to this is you wont get called a noob while doing it.
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post 31 Oct 2009, 06:52 | #15
QUOTE (Phatballerz @ 31 Oct 2009, 05:22) *
Of course after major changes to certain classes, fighting a dopple is an easy way to figure out what exactly changed about them. And a bonus to this is you wont get called a noob while doing it.


Unfortunately changes to class spells often aren't synchronized to dopples though. For example, sram dopple's fear still does pushback damage, its lethal attack seems to have only 1 range, and it can remain invisible while casting any spell; cra dopple's destructive arrow doesn't give -damage; enutrof dopple's slaughtering shovel still seems to be the old unstable version. Since one or two updates ago, all dopple spells were changed to "Dopplesque ...", so I guess developers intend for dopples to have somewhat different spells probably to control their difficulty.

This post has been edited by vagabaka: 31 Oct 2009, 06:54
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post 31 Oct 2009, 21:59 | #16
Eh its close enough. At least it doesnt call you noob when you lose.
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post 1 Nov 2009, 16:21 | #17
What do you say guys about making the dopples in that way so you can fight them again but only if you have done the class bang guest ?
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post 1 Nov 2009, 16:22 | #18
sorry for the double post.

This post has been edited by XehanordHeartless: 1 Nov 2009, 16:25
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post 1 Nov 2009, 17:47 | #19
QUOTE (XehanordHeartless @ 1 Nov 2009, 16:21) *
What do you say guys about making the dopples in that way so you can fight them again but only if you have done the class bang guest ?



Once again the rewards would be far too powerful. I can defeat every single class dopple while they are lv 180 in under 20 minutes, if I were able to do that I would get easily 70 doploons a day...far too op.
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post 1 Nov 2009, 19:06 | #20
QUOTE (XehanordHeartless @ 1 Nov 2009, 17:21) *
What do you say guys about making the dopples in that way so you can fight them again but only if you have done the class bang guest ?

Would not make any difference.
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post 2 Nov 2009, 04:08 | #21
At the 140 range in gear with about 250 wisdom (scrolled wisdom so its not a wis set) for all 12 dopples, their quests, and the class bang is 35-50% of a lvl for 20-30 minutes of fighting and 5 minutes of running depending on how many challenges I choose to do during the fights.

Being able to fight the dopples more than once a day, would be WAY to easy to lvl.
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 XehanordHeart...
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post 2 Nov 2009, 19:09 | #22
QUOTE (Buggabug @ 1 Nov 2009, 18:47) *
Once again the rewards would be far too powerful. I can defeat every single class dopple while they are lv 180 in under 20 minutes, if I were able to do that I would get easily 70 doploons a day...far too op.


And what do you say about the sroken farmers? Do you mean that they cant get 70 doploons a day?Then you dont know them.One friend of mine has a Sacrier and he gets 20 doploons in an hour and half.And cause you can beat all doples in 20 minutes it doesn't mean the others can.
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post 2 Nov 2009, 20:36 | #23
QUOTE (XehanordHeartless @ 2 Nov 2009, 19:09) *
And what do you say about the sroken farmers? Do you mean that they cant get 70 doploons a day?Then you dont know them.One friend of mine has a Sacrier and he gets 20 doploons in an hour and half.And cause you can beat all doples in 20 minutes it doesn't mean the others can.



Lies. Don't get doploons from killing players, you get strokens. If he happened to get 20 strokens in an hour and half that is not the norm, but he got very lucky with his targets. Most stroken farmers often have to get new targets due to szaap sitters, wing hiders, or people who log off. This is a 10 minute wait between each one.

I am sure I am not the ONLY person in dofus that can beat dopples quickly. I am just not THAT good.
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post 2 Nov 2009, 21:14 | #24
Beating dopples is quite easy in the high levels. The extremely awful AIs and the very limited spell arsenal more than compensate for their incredible stats to the point where PvMers in wis set got no problems beating them.
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post 2 Nov 2009, 22:00 | #25
QUOTE (Blazeron @ 2 Nov 2009, 21:14) *
Beating dopples is quite easy in the high levels. The extremely awful AIs and the very limited spell arsenal more than compensate for their incredible stats to the point where PvMers in wis set got no problems beating them.



Burst my bubble....couldn't you let me have just one little bit of "Wow she is haxxor!" moment..tongue.gif hehe
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post 3 Nov 2009, 15:32 | #26
QUOTE (Buggabug @ 2 Nov 2009, 20:36) *
Lies. Don't get doploons from killing players, you get strokens. If he happened to get 20 strokens in an hour and half that is not the norm, but he got very lucky with his targets. Most stroken farmers often have to get new targets due to szaap sitters, wing hiders, or people who log off. This is a 10 minute wait between each one.

I am sure I am not the ONLY person in dofus that can beat dopples quickly. I am just not THAT good.


if you get to high lvl it is become very poor income I stop training at dopples around lvl 70. The drops are terrible with low exp. compare to sitting in one map with preceptor hunting none stop fast good drops without any preparation tactic or food waste.
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post 3 Nov 2009, 17:23 | #27
QUOTE (SaddiXxX @ 3 Nov 2009, 23:32) *
if you get to high lvl it is become very poor income I stop training at dopples around lvl 70. The drops are terrible with low exp. compare to sitting in one map with preceptor hunting none stop fast good drops without any preparation tactic or food waste.


are you talking about the same dopples we are? lol
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post 3 Nov 2009, 17:29 | #28
QUOTE (SaddiXxX @ 3 Nov 2009, 15:32) *
if you get to high lvl it is become very poor income I stop training at dopples around lvl 70. The drops are terrible with low exp. compare to sitting in one map with preceptor hunting none stop fast good drops without any preparation tactic or food waste.



Number one I am lv 172 biggrin.gif and we are talking about dopples that are class dopples not in Dopuelland. I agree that the dopples in Dopple land are poor xp and lousy drops (as they only drop Dopple stones and the occasional universal drop that are worthless)
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post 4 Nov 2009, 03:43 | #29
sure, the quest is every 10 minutes but 4/5 times the target either runs away from you , goes somewhere you cant aggro him/her or someone else kills the target before, and people are smarter then dopples therefore the fights are harder
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post 4 Nov 2009, 03:50 | #30
QUOTE (THEBESTOFTHEMALL @ 4 Nov 2009, 03:43) *
sure, the quest is every 10 minutes but 4/5 times the target either runs away from you , goes somewhere you cant aggro him/her or someone else kills the target before, and people are smarter then dopples therefore the fights are harder



Which....is exactly my point as to why you can do headhunter multiple times but not dopples wink.gif
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post 4 Nov 2009, 04:18 | #31
QUOTE (THEBESTOFTHEMALL @ 4 Nov 2009, 04:43) *
sure, the quest is every 10 minutes but 4/5 times the target either runs away from you , goes somewhere you cant aggro him/her or someone else kills the target before, and people are smarter then dopples therefore the fights are harder

Or you could sit at one spot and the target comes to you.
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post 5 Nov 2009, 20:17 | #32
QUOTE (Phatballerz @ 4 Nov 2009, 05:18) *
Or you could sit at one spot and the target comes to you.



... if you are it's target too.
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post 5 Nov 2009, 22:13 | #33
I think he means that put your wings up and go get in a pvm fight (or stand around) on a map that favorable to you and your hunters will come.
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post 6 Nov 2009, 05:39 | #34
QUOTE (Phatballerz @ 30 Oct 2009, 22:22) *
Of course after major changes to certain classes, fighting a dopple is an easy way to figure out what exactly changed about them. And a bonus to this is you wont get called a noob while doing it.


Ankama just hasn't added this feature in. I believe update 2.06 will be when the put this feature in. I also think that's the update where Ecaflips get turned into rocks like the Fecas are now.
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post 9 Nov 2009, 23:08 | #35
QUOTE (Ramassee @ 5 Nov 2009, 22:13) *
I think he means that put your wings up and go get in a pvm fight (or stand around) on a map that favorable to you and your hunters will come.


Yeah. I do that sometimes. Recall, move one map, fight a monster for about 30-60 seconds, then recall as soon as the battle is done and have an alt observing half a dozens of bontas that arrived at the map in the meantime.
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post 20 Nov 2009, 21:31 | #36
lol Id love to grind dopples all day cuz it would b much better than just searching for cap mobs and doing those seeing how xp is about the same time wise
but dopples lead to scrolls ect which if I was lvling my chance pvm eni on dopples I could lvl fast and scroll him up in no time rather than xp and get nothing
dopples were 1x a day b4 but u had to pay to fight them I believe been so long I forget honestly
but if u had to pay to fght them most likely u wouldnt do that u would just pvp or pvm instead of dopples

KAN ;p
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post Yesterday, 09:33 | #37
You know what?? i'm in favour, WHY CANT WE DO DOPPLES TWICE A DAY???!:angry:
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