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[Devblog] Ogrines' Origin
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post 16 Oct 2009, 08:49 | #1
[Devblog] Ogrines' Origin After the release of the Ogrine Seeker many of you have been seeking more information as to what an Ogrine might be.

It’s time to tell you a little bit more about it!
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 KA-Dofus
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post 19 Nov 2009, 19:36 | #61
QUOTE (GoldfishGod @ 19 Nov 2009, 07:10) *
Ignoring the cash-shop mechanics... I understand it as:

There's no way to get RL$ out of the system though (unless you're Ankama).
The key point of gold-farmers is to get real money, not virtual goods, from selling kama.
Players will still be able to pay RL$ to get Kama, but it's legitimised via Ankama's system.

Account-sellers/levelling services remain unaffected, though in a lot of cases the same companies do rely on gold-farming income as well.

Orgrine can be exchanged for kama, and we all know that kama can be illegally sold for real world money.

As such, I don't see why those other than Ankama can't get real life dollars out of the system.
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post 19 Nov 2009, 19:54 | #62
QUOTE (KA-Dofus @ 19 Nov 2009, 18:36) *
Orgrine can be exchanged for kama, and we all know that kama can be illegally sold for real world money.
But Ogrine can only be gained from real world money (or indirect purchases like convention tickets), so you'd just be turning real money into real money (though you could fiddle "exchange rates" and get a "profit" on reselling, more out than you put in).

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As such, I don't see why those other than Ankama can't get real life dollars out of the system.
I mean that Ankama won't pay out real money, you can't "cash in" your Ogrine. 3rd party Kama-sellers would be bypassing the system altogether (though directly competing with it).

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post 19 Nov 2009, 21:07 | #63
QUOTE (GoldfishGod @ 19 Nov 2009, 12:54) *
But Ogrine can only be gained from real world money (or indirect purchases like convention tickets), so you'd just be turning real money into real money (though you could fiddle "exchange rates" and get a "profit" on reselling, more out than you put in).

I mean that Ankama won't pay out real money, you can't "cash in" your Ogrine. 3rd party Kama-sellers would be bypassing the system altogether (though directly competing with it).

Third party kama sellers may bypass the system altogether. On the other hand, they may not. They may choose to manipulate it. After all, would they not have the most kama available to do so. Perhaps, they may simply choose to flood the market with kama, with the purpose of devaluing it.

That could lead to a situation where players must obtain more and more kama to purchase anything, and then the sellers could offer their illegitimate kama at a lower cash price than what must be paid to buy Ogrine to exchange for devalued kama, thus cashing in on that increased need.

I'm sure Ankama would try to take steps to prevent that. However, such things are more easily said than done.

It's hard to create what is supposed to be a free market, and then protect that market from abuse.
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post 19 Nov 2009, 22:34 | #64
QUOTE (KA-Dofus @ 19 Nov 2009, 19:25) *
The likely result will be that illegal kama sellers will not be eliminated, but instead will compete in price. They will simply sell kama for less than the market value that gets established for them in game and there will be those that continue to buy them to take advantage of this lower cost despite the risk.

Yes it will still be possible buying Kama for RL€just like you can do today.
Still i see the thing from another prospective.

The one that buy Kama for RL€, don't care much about few € less or more, thats why they buy kamas in the first place instead of grinding it. So yes an abusive website could offer a better Kama exchange rate, but will the one that is willing to spend € for Kamas risk getting banned, scammed, getting his credit card ripped for this small difference? I don't think so. If this little € difference counts for this person he will not be buying Kamas in the first place, he will be grinding it.

In any case the abusive Kama makret will be down by 70-90%, if not killed completely.

In any case, the thing that is worrying me, is not the ones that will buy Kamas, its the ones that will buy subscriptions with Kamas. Here you have a really great number of players, that will have to buy Ogrines at any cost. The number of F2P is surely greater than the number of P2P, i may have seen something like 1:5 ratio, so we are talking about tens of millions players.
A matter of playing (P2P) or not playing, thats pretty serious. That serious to make the kid grind hours and hours and to sell all cheap. in any case the demand of Ogrines/Subscriptions will be greater than the offer, I expect a great devalvation of all the profession and low-mid item prices, and high end things (dofuses, scrolls, etc) to skyrocket.

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 KA-Dofus
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post 19 Nov 2009, 22:45 | #65
QUOTE (moonblade-ita @ 19 Nov 2009, 15:34) *
So yes an abusive website could offer a better Kama exchange rate, but will the one that is willing to spend € for Kamas risk getting banned, scammed, getting his credit card ripped for this small difference? I don't think so. If this little € difference counts for this person he will not be buying Kamas in the first place, he will be grinding it.

People do now when they see advantage in it. I don't see why they wouldn't in the future if they see advantage in it.

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In any case the abusive Kama makret will be down by 70-90%, if not killed completely.

That's a pleasant thought. Unfortunately, it is only assumption... and no more likely than illegal kama sellers enduring with changed tactics.

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In any case, the thing that is worrying me, is not the ones that will buy Kamas, its the ones that will buy subscriptions with Kamas. Here you have a really great number of players, that will have to buy Ogrines at any cost. The number of F2P is surely greater than the number of P2P, i may have seen something like 1:5 ratio, so we are talking about tens of millions players.
A matter of playing (P2P) or not playing, thats pretty serious. That serious to make the kid grind hours and hours and to sell all cheap. in any case the demand of Ogrines/Subscriptions will be greater than the offer, I expect a great devalvation of all the profession and low-mid item prices, and high end things (dofuses, scrolls, etc) to skyrocket.

There is no question it will disturb the in-game economy. It's just a matter of what form the disruption will take and what magnitude it will have.
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