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Bakers, A rising problem on rosal.
 Alyss-Sin
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post 6 Aug 2009, 21:50 | #1
Bakers Seriously, at this very moment field bread is 22kk/100 and Cereal bread is 29kk/100. It's getting out of hand it went up a little when 1.27 came out and skyrocketed when 1.28 came out this emphasis on PvP is allowing the easiest profession in the game to charge outrageous prices for their food. The price of bread has jumped nearly 15kk since 1.27 was introduced. Pretty much required to make a farmer/baker combo on an alt and grind the hell out of it or do without food.
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 lazaustin
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post 7 Aug 2009, 18:11 | #2
Not sure this as much a problem as it is an opportunity for all the farmer/bakers out there. It also means that fisher/fishmonger, alchemists, and hunter/butchers should be able to sell easier since they can provide healing stuff too.

Have you looked in those sellrooms for healing stuff?
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 stormbird
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post 7 Aug 2009, 20:15 | #3
For this situation, I'm not sure what's the reason for surging prices (i.e. whether it's from the supply side or the demand side). But since it's a positive trend for farmers and bakers, I don't think that's a big problem (or a problem at all).

If a profession becomes profitable, more people will pratice the profession, which will increase the total supply and eventually dampen the prices.
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 Nikto
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post 9 Aug 2009, 14:07 | #4
QUOTE (lazaustin @ 7 Aug 2009, 18:11) *
Not sure this as much a problem as it is an opportunity for all the farmer/bakers out there. It also means that fisher/fishmonger, alchemists, and hunter/butchers should be able to sell easier since they can provide healing stuff too.

Have you looked in those sellrooms for healing stuff?


Hunter and fisherman require much more effort and time to level and collect resources.
For example I collect 100 kaniger meats in 2-3 hours (can be 1-1.5 hours if I log 2-3 accs to hunt for it), and kaniger meat is the first one to start with if you are looking for the profit. Crocodyle meat requires 3-4 hours and int char with AoE or long range attacks for 100 meats. Koalak meat is the easiest to get if you are a high level. But one must be a level 100 hunter and butcher to process this meat and it requires Palm Oil which is never in supply and therefore you must hunt scaraleaves as well.

Fish can be easier to get when you reached level 50-60 fisherman, but first you need to get there and it takes more time than levelling 2-3 Farmers/Bakers. At the same time fish is limited to + 200 hp and heavier, thus can't compete with the bread and meat

Meat and fish aren't popular as healing food and usually sell well only in a merchant mode. Also meat and fish are more expensive to process and while high level meat heals a lot and can be preferred by high levels fish is usually used only to feed DTs.

Farmer/Baker is much faster and more profitable combination than hunter/butcher and fisherman/fishmonger together.
Alchemist could compete with it, but unfortunately there is no "flower fields" in Dofus that would be somehow close to cania plain fields or even minicluster (or how does it spell).


Developers are aware of the imbalance in these professions and according to the Zone 48 they are going to fix it in the future (after the launch of Dofus 2.0 if I remember correctly). One of the discussed solutions includes implementing different effects for meat, fish, potions and bread to make people use all of them.
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 gorka-et-mork...
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post 11 Aug 2009, 04:03 | #5
Field/Cereal bread doesn't sell as fast as wholemeal does. I think people would rather buy 20kk of wholemeal @ 100k per piece then 22-24kk of field bread. If wholemeal goes above 10kk per 100 (which it rarely does), sometimes you see a surge in field/cereal sales - but otherwise it sits there.

I play on Solar and the prices are pretty much the same - so my advice to you is to buy wholemeal and don't whine. Do you even realize how long it takes me to craft 20000 pieces of bread? That's 40000 combines for wholemeal - even more for field or cereal. That's at least 20-25 minutes just sitting there doing nothing - not fun. I'd much rather hunt and get XP and drops for my profession - but I don't get that luxury.
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 Alyss-Sin
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post 11 Aug 2009, 06:07 | #6
Wholemeal bread doesn't heal 100 HP per loaf so I have to eat twice as much of it. The point is with the headhunter quest going on someone is going to die no matter what someone has to lose and that someone has to munch a ton of bread in turn having to buy more bread at an increased rate increasing the prices by quite a bit.
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 KamiToro
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post 11 Aug 2009, 07:53 | #7
Hey there,

It really gets awful when you have to spend much money on bread only just to heal and get ready for all those challenges, headhunts and so on. This brings me to 2 thoughts...
1. max your own farmer/baker, so you don't charge yourself for bread. You make your own desirable bread in quantities you need by the time you need. And absolutely free!
2. find yourself some nice farmer/baker guy/girl. I mean here on forums people search for helpers - to level together, hunt together... Some people are looking for certain materials.. Like some jewelers posting "hiring miners for thousands of iron" and so on. Find yourself a helper. If you establish a nice link there, he/she might sell you bread with smaller charges. E.g. if the demand is in high quantities, you pay in cash and so on.

Otherwise... to sellroom you go smile.gif
As gorka-at-morka pointed rightly, it also take lots of time and efforts to make all that bread >.>

Nyo
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 lazaustin
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post 11 Aug 2009, 13:53 | #8
Nikto is right that other foods have their own issues, but I think the demand for healing foods likely floats all boats.

Fish food has some real potential as an alternative to breads as it's possible to accumulate a LOT of fish in one session.

Glad to hear that Ankama is planning a boost for the other profs though. Long overdue.

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 Alyss-Sin
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post 17 Aug 2009, 17:42 | #9
Field/Cereal bread has gone up another 5kk this week.
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 TheFatPanda
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post 17 Aug 2009, 18:52 | #10
Basically, the majority of people will see the increase in price and become Farmers/Bakers.

And once there's too much bread out there, and people don't buy it anymore because they make their own, prices will eventually drop back to normal; for you lot hopefully.

But as we speak I'm raking in the cash with Farmer tongue.gif
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 khymsrevenge
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post 17 Aug 2009, 18:59 | #11
I hate to say this, but I am part of the problem. lol I have been focusing on mining and handyman, and haven't made any bread for several weeks. I usually make qui leure, which has more than doubled in price since I last made any. Last night it was 95kk for 100. Last time I made any it was 42kk.....

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 Alyss-Sin
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post 17 Aug 2009, 19:04 | #12
Cereal bread is 35kk/100 and Field is 25kk/100 before 1.28 came out cereal was less than 20kk/100 and field was around 10kk/100
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 rossiscooler
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post 17 Aug 2009, 19:12 | #13
QUOTE (Alyss-Sin @ 18 Aug 2009, 02:04) *
Cereal bread is 35kk/100 and Field is 25kk/100 before 1.28 came out cereal was less than 20kk/100 and field was around 10kk/100


zomg *makes character on rosal*

i think cereal was sitting at 20kk/100 on rushu earlier
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 Alyss-Sin
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post 17 Aug 2009, 19:30 | #14
QUOTE (rossiscooler @ 17 Aug 2009, 20:12) *
zomg *makes character on rosal*

i think cereal was sitting at 20kk/100 on rushu earlier


Please do, the more bakers the better.
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 rossiscooler
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post 17 Aug 2009, 19:57 | #15
QUOTE (Alyss-Sin @ 18 Aug 2009, 02:30) *
Please do, the more bakers the better.


watevz u just want to send me dirty pms, we all know ur secret
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 Alyss-Sin
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post 17 Aug 2009, 20:01 | #16
QUOTE (rossiscooler @ 17 Aug 2009, 20:57) *
watevz u just want to send me dirty pms, we all know ur secret


NO NO NEVER! I would never do such a thing. cool.gif
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 Alyss-Sin
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post 29 Aug 2009, 06:12 | #17
Update: Field bread is now 30kk, and Cereal bread is 30kk or non existent in market.
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 Phatballerz
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post 29 Aug 2009, 06:45 | #18
I just sold some cereal bread for 25kk and a special one with a code! Ill sell bread cheap occasionally when im in the mood.
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 Zarnal-Ahkna
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post 29 Aug 2009, 09:50 | #19
well, when i went to buy me bread yesterday, i was looking for +100 life bread, and i looked at the prices. 28.5kk/100 for cereal and 30kk/100 for field bread on bonta market (can be otherwise, i'm not sure anymore) though, that costed much so i just bought me 200 wholemeals ( that was also 11,4kk/100 ) so yeah, we must definatly stop that, i can realy feel a big food inflation and then a big crash on rosal since i know that much of my friends (and i) started providing there own food (bread, meat and i'm a alchemist).

well, its just that, now the food prices are so high, many peaple will start making there own food.
then, because even more peaple make food, the prices will raise way too much because there will be almost no interrest anymore.
then, the prices will fall harshly because then even more peaple will start making there own food.
and if the prices dont fall harshly, everyone will fill up around 2 proffesions, just to be able to provide food.

so, peaple, GET THE F*CK YOUR FOOD PRICES DOWN ON ROSAL u're all killing the food economics and soon, the whole rosal economic will fall so we will have to move to another server and who knows maybe to the moon ( tongue.gif )
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 Zarnal-Ahkna
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post 29 Aug 2009, 09:59 | #20
QUOTE (Alyss-Sin @ 17 Aug 2009, 20:30) *
Please do, the more bakers the better.


NOOOO dont make urself a baker.
the more bakers on rosal, the higher the prices will become because everyone will make there own food => more offer, less question
then the whole rosal economics will crash
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