Bakers Seriously, at this very moment field bread is 22kk/100 and Cereal bread is 29kk/100. It's getting out of hand it went up a little when 1.27 came out and skyrocketed when 1.28 came out this emphasis on PvP is allowing the easiest profession in the game to charge outrageous prices for their food. The price of bread has jumped nearly 15kk since 1.27 was introduced. Pretty much required to make a farmer/baker combo on an alt and grind the hell out of it or do without food.

Not sure this as much a problem as it is an opportunity for all the farmer/bakers out there. It also means that fisher/fishmonger, alchemists, and hunter/butchers should be able to sell easier since they can provide healing stuff too.

Have you looked in those sellrooms for healing stuff?

For this situation, I'm not sure what's the reason for surging prices (i.e. whether it's from the supply side or the demand side). But since it's a positive trend for farmers and bakers, I don't think that's a big problem (or a problem at all).

If a profession becomes profitable, more people will pratice the profession, which will increase the total supply and eventually dampen the prices.

Hunter and fisherman require much more effort and time to level and collect resources.
For example I collect 100 kaniger meats in 2-3 hours (can be 1-1.5 hours if I log 2-3 accs to hunt for it), and kaniger meat is the first one to start with if you are looking for the profit. Crocodyle meat requires 3-4 hours and int char with AoE or long range attacks for 100 meats. Koalak meat is the easiest to get if you are a high level. But one must be a level 100 hunter and butcher to process this meat and it requires Palm Oil which is never in supply and therefore you must hunt scaraleaves as well.

Fish can be easier to get when you reached level 50-60 fisherman, but first you need to get there and it takes more time than levelling 2-3 Farmers/Bakers. At the same time fish is limited to + 200 hp and heavier, thus can't compete with the bread and meat

Meat and fish aren't popular as healing food and usually sell well only in a merchant mode. Also meat and fish are more expensive to process and while high level meat heals a lot and can be preferred by high levels fish is usually used only to feed DTs.

Farmer/Baker is much faster and more profitable combination than hunter/butcher and fisherman/fishmonger together.
Alchemist could compete with it, but unfortunately there is no "flower fields" in Dofus that would be somehow close to cania plain fields or even minicluster (or how does it spell).


Developers are aware of the imbalance in these professions and according to the Zone 48 they are going to fix it in the future (after the launch of Dofus 2.0 if I remember correctly). One of the discussed solutions includes implementing different effects for meat, fish, potions and bread to make people use all of them.

Field/Cereal bread doesn't sell as fast as wholemeal does. I think people would rather buy 20kk of wholemeal @ 100k per piece then 22-24kk of field bread. If wholemeal goes above 10kk per 100 (which it rarely does), sometimes you see a surge in field/cereal sales - but otherwise it sits there.

I play on Solar and the prices are pretty much the same - so my advice to you is to buy wholemeal and don't whine. Do you even realize how long it takes me to craft 20000 pieces of bread? That's 40000 combines for wholemeal - even more for field or cereal. That's at least 20-25 minutes just sitting there doing nothing - not fun. I'd much rather hunt and get XP and drops for my profession - but I don't get that luxury.

Wholemeal bread doesn't heal 100 HP per loaf so I have to eat twice as much of it. The point is with the headhunter quest going on someone is going to die no matter what someone has to lose and that someone has to munch a ton of bread in turn having to buy more bread at an increased rate increasing the prices by quite a bit.

Hey there,

It really gets awful when you have to spend much money on bread only just to heal and get ready for all those challenges, headhunts and so on. This brings me to 2 thoughts...
1. max your own farmer/baker, so you don't charge yourself for bread. You make your own desirable bread in quantities you need by the time you need. And absolutely free!
2. find yourself some nice farmer/baker guy/girl. I mean here on forums people search for helpers - to level together, hunt together... Some people are looking for certain materials.. Like some jewelers posting "hiring miners for thousands of iron" and so on. Find yourself a helper. If you establish a nice link there, he/she might sell you bread with smaller charges. E.g. if the demand is in high quantities, you pay in cash and so on.

Otherwise... to sellroom you go
As gorka-at-morka pointed rightly, it also take lots of time and efforts to make all that bread >.>

Nyo

Nikto is right that other foods have their own issues, but I think the demand for healing foods likely floats all boats.

Fish food has some real potential as an alternative to breads as it's possible to accumulate a LOT of fish in one session.

Glad to hear that Ankama is planning a boost for the other profs though. Long overdue.

Field/Cereal bread has gone up another 5kk this week.

Basically, the majority of people will see the increase in price and become Farmers/Bakers.

And once there's too much bread out there, and people don't buy it anymore because they make their own, prices will eventually drop back to normal; for you lot hopefully.

But as we speak I'm raking in the cash with Farmer

I hate to say this, but I am part of the problem. lol I have been focusing on mining and handyman, and haven't made any bread for several weeks. I usually make qui leure, which has more than doubled in price since I last made any. Last night it was 95kk for 100. Last time I made any it was 42kk.....

Cereal bread is 35kk/100 and Field is 25kk/100 before 1.28 came out cereal was less than 20kk/100 and field was around 10kk/100

zomg *makes character on rosal*

i think cereal was sitting at 20kk/100 on rushu earlier

Please do, the more bakers the better.

watevz u just want to send me dirty pms, we all know ur secret

NO NO NEVER! I would never do such a thing.

Update: Field bread is now 30kk, and Cereal bread is 30kk or non existent in market.

I just sold some cereal bread for 25kk and a special one with a code! Ill sell bread cheap occasionally when im in the mood.

well, when i went to buy me bread yesterday, i was looking for +100 life bread, and i looked at the prices. 28.5kk/100 for cereal and 30kk/100 for field bread on bonta market (can be otherwise, i'm not sure anymore) though, that costed much so i just bought me 200 wholemeals ( that was also 11,4kk/100 ) so yeah, we must definatly stop that, i can realy feel a big food inflation and then a big crash on rosal since i know that much of my friends (and i) started providing there own food (bread, meat and i'm a alchemist).

well, its just that, now the food prices are so high, many peaple will start making there own food.
then, because even more peaple make food, the prices will raise way too much because there will be almost no interrest anymore.
then, the prices will fall harshly because then even more peaple will start making there own food.
and if the prices dont fall harshly, everyone will fill up around 2 proffesions, just to be able to provide food.

so, peaple, GET THE F*CK YOUR FOOD PRICES DOWN ON ROSAL u're all killing the food economics and soon, the whole rosal economic will fall so we will have to move to another server and who knows maybe to the moon ( )

NOOOO dont make urself a baker.
the more bakers on rosal, the higher the prices will become because everyone will make there own food => more offer, less question
then the whole rosal economics will crash

Really?
I always thought that the more bakers, the more bread.
The more bread, the more people trying to sale theirs and competing to get theirs bought, so they'd dip lower and lower.
Like, when you see 100 Cereal bread already for sale for 25kk so you place 100 of yours for 24.999 so yours will get bought before theirs.

as a baker, if i spend hours making bread, i want to make some bloody money for it ^^

if rushu hasnt crashed and burned yet, i think rosal just might be okay

>.< I detest that practice, Meggeh.

Speaking as a Baker, I remember the great Bread Depression of 2007 in Shika. Bread prices dropped to half of what they were due to people continuously undercutting each other. Which is why I love the new bread prices Although that is kind of selfish >.> The limiting factor on bread production is really how long it takes to craft all the materials.

frankly I got my fishmonger to lv 100 and my fish are FLYING off the shelves. I am making 100kk a day off fish, and that is just light fishing .....

I have a 100 lvl baker on Rosal...when I made the baker alt, (about two years ago)I had no need for a farmer, because grains and flours were readily available in large and cheap quantities. But when I went back ,to play on the Rosal server, a couple of months ago, I could not find a reasonable supply of flours, and had to get the farmer profession, just to make the basic breads.

I was shocked at the bread prices and could not bring myself to sell for those prices....at first....but everything I made sold out in a flash ( anything put in the Astrub sellroom was sold out before I got off the map!), and I raised my prices out of fatigue with constantly grinding flours and breads.

So I see the problem as one of basic supply and demand. The demand for breads has gone up as the levels the of players became epic and the larger hit points base (in the recent version) on all characters, increasing the amount of bread, needed. But even as the average level goes up, there are fewer and fewer lower levels (epic levels usually have more profitable things to spend their time on, than grinding farmer) to grind the grains, so the price of grain goes up....then the price of flour and so the price of bread.

This is not just on Rosal...my alchemist has been making Fairy Water & buying fish on Solar, rather than pay the price of the bread.

Hopefully the convention appearance of Dofus at the USA and German shows will generate a lot of new players....who will grind the low level ingredients for us, and lower the price of breads.

~Gilly

One can only hope, Yesterday Cereal bread was 49999k and Field bread was 30000k No one can realistically look at that as a fair price for 100 pieces of bread that heal 100 hp each. Players who've died would need to eat between 12-13 pieces at a time and those who havent usually eat between 2-6 that goes fast. I suppose buying 50 hp bread wouldnt be such a bother but wholemeal is 2 pods per punch and it's no cheaper to buy rye bread than it is than it is to buy 75 field bread.

With a quick selling item like bread, putting the price at 24 999k just so it sells first doesn't really make any difference. It may mean the bread at 25 000k is sold a few minutes later, maybe even hours or days later, but in my experience it always sells eventually. If I see that someone has put something for sale ridiculously cheaply, I don't try to beat their price but just stock up the sellrooms with reasonably priced batches that sell fine as soon as the bargains are gone.

Someone mentioned earlier on that hunter and fisherman are too difficult/slow by comparison. While I agree that grinding a farmer and baker is faster, you can't be doing anything else at the same time with that character. To a certain extent, hunting just happens while you're not really looking. There are rumours that it'll be even better with v2.0, with lots more meat to drop. (And Nikto, you should be able to hunt faster than that! I can gather 100 croco meat in a little over an hour with my chance sac - high pp means pretty much 100% drop rate, but water resistance means I'm hitting with a fury + leek pie combo)

Sometimes those of us with professions we don't use often need a little reminder to use them.

I've been a L100 Alchemist/Farmer/Baker for years, but haven't baked any bread for quite a long time (I used to make a decent amount of money with bread and transit potions). I'll take a look at the prices and maybe start baking again.

Although... it's important that people also consider being butcher/fishmonger customers as well. I haven't been to the Astrub sellrooms for a very long time (I eat the meat my hunter prepares), but there have been times when people would exhaust the bread supply and there would be plenty of edible fish and meat in the sellroom.

They continue to go up.

Well, easy calculation: if players keep buying the bread that is getting more expensive, the prices will go up as everybody wants money. Money for value. If I sell some bread for 20kk per 100 and just out of the curiosity try to sell it for 30kk and it IS sold easily, I won't sell it for 20kk for some time. Unless it goes down in demand. If it stays in high demand, I'm getting used to high prices and just refuse to sell cheaper.

Rosal is growing in levels (meaning players get higher levels) and because of that leveling and grinding for resources for higher level equips becomes more time-demanding. For these people, farmer/bakers level 100, it become not very yielding to actually produce bread - too boring, too time-consuming and so on. And they really have more money because of the drops and other professions. So they simply prefer to buy bread. For example, if you gather/grind/bake bread, you might get 100kk per hour (not actual figures, just for example). In that same hour high level player gets exp (levels) and gets drops worth at least 500kk. Any other arguments not for doing boring farmer/baker activities instead of hanging out with your friends and having some fun in dungeons, fighting some mobs?

After reading this topic I started to bake some cereal bread, as I have level 100 farmer/baker on my alt... It's sold in a moment - 30kk per 100. It's really boring, but it's a bit easier for me - grinding on one acc and gathering ore/wood on the other acc It become funny when both acc are level 100 gatherers and you're not so bored, as you're moving constantly. At least for me

Nyo

However, this can build up, and with idiots who do a drastic decrease in price can create a snowball effect. Luckily, at certain times, one can use this to their benefit in the other direction, so now I'm not really that bothered. Yes. I'm evil.

Croco meat depends on respawn of crocodyles. I can be very unlucky, of course, but usually it takes a lot of time for them to respawn. Also, fights in the swamps are far from exciting for me (none of them lasts longer than 1 minute on any map) and I get nothing except meat. Probably I afk too much to collect croco meat fast
Kanigers are faster for me. Also far from exciting, but they still give some xp to my hunter and I use it to level my DTs.

>>"Well, easy calculation: if players keep buying the bread that is getting more expensive, the prices will go up as everybody wants money. Money for value. If I sell some bread for 20kk per 100 and just out of the curiosity try to sell it for 30kk and it IS sold easily, I won't sell it for 20kk for some time. Unless it goes down in demand. If it stays in high demand, I'm getting used to high prices and just refuse to sell cheaper."

Yeah, I can understand that logic. Who could blame you.

>>"In that same hour high level player gets exp (levels) and gets drops worth at least 500kk. Any other arguments not for doing boring farmer/baker activities instead of hanging out with your friends and having some fun in dungeons, fighting some mobs?"

Something about that sounds off, but the logic is sound. At the same time, you have to give it up to the Farmers/Bakers that provide for you. Running second account for said actions is suggested.

>>"After reading this topic I started to bake some cereal bread, as I have level 100 farmer/baker on my alt... It's sold in a moment - 30kk per 100. It's really boring, but it's a bit easier for me - grinding on one acc and gathering ore/wood on the other acc It become funny when both acc are level 100 gatherers and you're not so bored, as you're moving constantly. At least for me "

Same here Nyo,

I got around to (finally) making my first Farmer/Baker got got them to 30 within 5 hours, today.

This is an issue in Solar, too. Though, not much of an issue if it gets people to provide for themselves, and making newbies/lowbies rich.

I think something also can be said about the "average price for this item message" has something to do with the price hike. Though I agree with everyone else in the thread about the matter, pretty much.

-Cato

This post has been edited by CatOcatastrofe: 16 Sep 2009, 15:19

Making bread can be an all day affair just to meet supply. It's incredibly fatiguing as farming and grinding is ultimately mind numbing. Kudos to the bakers for making some real money for all their time they have to put in.

I myself haven't bought or made any breads for almost a year.

I'm still using fish food and meats that I levelled my monger and butcher on months ago. I knew I saved those for a reason. I just didn't know the reason at the time.

I can make 1000 bread in a little under an hour with lv100 farmer and lv100 baker, so I guess I could make a couple mk a day just doing that.... but then I'd have to remove the pen from my eyeball, since that's what that much boredom would drive me to.

This post has been edited by lazaustin: 18 Sep 2009, 19:33

ill define baking as one thing

BORING BORING AND GODDAMNED BORING


i dunno how i put up with it... may be because its my only source of income

Last I looked Cereal bread was up to 50kk/100 and Field was 35kk/100.

I have been playing Dofus for years and never became p2p. I really agree with everything you say back then and mostly agree with it now. At least we have the "Quantity" now instead of the old fashioned repeat, confirm, repeat, confirm, and so on and so forth for every piece of bread (and flour).

But then the Quantity option has a disadvantage because playing another account when mass producing something increases the chances of lag which means a potential bot ban. As for Wholemeal Bread being so cheap compared to everything else, Wholemeal Bread is the best bread an f2p (lvl 30) Baker can make. When you become p2p, you have better things to do with your subscription instead of grinding bread for easier money.

When I get my mule to lvl 30 Alchemist, I'm going to go straight to Baker while using another account to provide materials. Having a third account running in the background while I stay entertained with running Incarnam dungeon continuously for xp and drops using my lvl 33 Enu.

I drop wind of panic scrolls quite often (100 prospection mini), which sell for about 60kk. I wander from map to map exterminating crocos, so I don't have problems with respawn.

Well, we are in different situations with different point of view. I found crocodyles to be worse in terms of time/money than kanigers, but it may be different for you. I really prefer to multitask and crocodiles don't meet my conditions as I can't level my DTs while hunting them and I get no valuable drops (I won't count scrolls as they don't sell good enough on my server).

I am a baker on rosal and have best price:
wholemealed bread: 60 kamas
cereal bread: 90 kamas
field bread : 90 kamas
amakna bread: 5 kamas
quil e bread : 150 kamas
All/unit

Answer to message for more inf.

So im assuming all markets in all servers are crashing? When I played at the very opening of rosal I could but this stuff for 1k lol.

This problem is on every server, so I dont get why youre crying about a problem thats everywhere.

EW YEEST. People cry about the recession

no di, and oki i guess i understand now~

the problem is that some people put the breads more cheaps in the market, and thats why the breads are cheaper, that hapen in all the proffesions

Seriously, at this very moment field bread is 22kk/100 and Cereal bread is 29kk/100. It's getting out of hand it went up a little when 1.27 came out and skyrocketed when 1.28 came out this emphasis on PvP is allowing the easiest profession in the game to charge outrageous prices for their food. The price of bread has jumped nearly 15kk since 1.27 was introduced. Pretty much required to make a farmer/baker combo on an alt and grind the hell out of it or do without food.
Shinigamipk for ever

Well with the new Hp update, the big emphasis on 1vs1 pvp, combined with the HP/initiative thing, bread is a commodity now. In pvp you could get jumped at any second and initiative is very important. Thus using bread to heal is a very good way to stay ahead of the competition.

PvMers hate having monsters going ahead of them. We all do. You can even fight tougher mobs thanks to more hp at lower levels. Tough fights = more hp lost. Who wants to sit around and heal manually? Time is money.


Therefore in this type of game, you need bread. More bread than before. So it makes sense for bakers to charge more and make a little cash. The only way you can get around this is make a baker/butcher/alchemist/monger yourself, or wait till ankama changes it back to how it used to be (which they won't).

This post has been edited by Phatballerz: 28 Oct 2009, 05:36

if u let me leach some xp so i can get to lvl 90 asap
i'll make all the breads u want for free
or all the potions u need for free (well just the recall, the bonta.brakma, revive potions) cos i'm too lazy to hunt for the other mats XDD

it's just because i always die so i gave up and just farmed until lvl 100

edit: sorry i realised i'm in the wrong server *Cries*

This post has been edited by kanzi: 4 Nov 2009, 09:26

What an economic disaster (even for an MMO). Yesterday in Astrub on Solar, Wheat was at 17 (avg. 18), Wheat Flour at 34 (avg. 36), and Wholemeal Bread at ~180 (don't remember avg.). This morning, Wheat was at 17 (avg. 28), Wheat Flour at 54 (avg. ~54), and Wholemeal Bread at 120 (avg. 124). My guess is that all the Baker saw the high Wholemeal Bread prices, bought up all the Wheat Flour (and maybe Wheat in other sellrooms), mass produced Wholemeal bread, dumped everything on the market, and the prices crashed.

Good thing I didn't grind all my Wheat because everybody will buy the Wheat to grind into flour to resell or use for bread. Flour wouldn't sell well when you can donate some time to save kamas with grinding Wheat and the bulk stock of Wholemeal bread don't really sells either if people are still dumping bread before it drops further.

I need to check back to see where prices are right now.

EDIT: Wheat's avg price dropped to 21, both Wheat Flour prices dropped to 50 , and Wholemeal bread went up about 10 kamas (5 for avg.). I love free markets.

This post has been edited by NewPerson: 5 Nov 2009, 09:11

Lmfao noone buys bread these days XD everyone has alts for this....

By the way selling flours is far more profitable than selling bread. Its as easy as pie to make 200 wheat when u ar a lev100 farmer. it takes about 2 mins for me.

And 100 bags of flour are sold for 4kk/ea.If not more

Edit: LOLLOLLMFAO XD 30KK FOR A 10.000 HEALING XDTHAT HAS 100 PODS. LMAO.
WHOLEMEAL BREAD HAS ONLY 2 PODS AND CAN HEAL 50 PER MUNCH AND MATS ARE FAR EASIER TO GATHER AND ITS SOLD FOR 10KK/EA!

Farmer/baker is useless. make a fisherman and sell fish for 150k/ a gudgeon. not gutted, normal fish. usefull for leveling a fisherman.

This post has been edited by Total-Recall: 6 Nov 2009, 14:39