Really?
I always thought that the more bakers, the more bread.
The more bread, the more people trying to sale theirs and competing to get theirs bought, so they'd dip lower and lower.
Like, when you see 100 Cereal bread already for sale for 25kk so you place 100 of yours for 24.999 so yours will get bought before theirs.

as a baker, if i spend hours making bread, i want to make some bloody money for it ^^

if rushu hasnt crashed and burned yet, i think rosal just might be okay

>.< I detest that practice, Meggeh.

Speaking as a Baker, I remember the great Bread Depression of 2007 in Shika. Bread prices dropped to half of what they were due to people continuously undercutting each other. Which is why I love the new bread prices Although that is kind of selfish >.> The limiting factor on bread production is really how long it takes to craft all the materials.

frankly I got my fishmonger to lv 100 and my fish are FLYING off the shelves. I am making 100kk a day off fish, and that is just light fishing .....

I have a 100 lvl baker on Rosal...when I made the baker alt, (about two years ago)I had no need for a farmer, because grains and flours were readily available in large and cheap quantities. But when I went back ,to play on the Rosal server, a couple of months ago, I could not find a reasonable supply of flours, and had to get the farmer profession, just to make the basic breads.

I was shocked at the bread prices and could not bring myself to sell for those prices....at first....but everything I made sold out in a flash ( anything put in the Astrub sellroom was sold out before I got off the map!), and I raised my prices out of fatigue with constantly grinding flours and breads.

So I see the problem as one of basic supply and demand. The demand for breads has gone up as the levels the of players became epic and the larger hit points base (in the recent version) on all characters, increasing the amount of bread, needed. But even as the average level goes up, there are fewer and fewer lower levels (epic levels usually have more profitable things to spend their time on, than grinding farmer) to grind the grains, so the price of grain goes up....then the price of flour and so the price of bread.

This is not just on Rosal...my alchemist has been making Fairy Water & buying fish on Solar, rather than pay the price of the bread.

Hopefully the convention appearance of Dofus at the USA and German shows will generate a lot of new players....who will grind the low level ingredients for us, and lower the price of breads.

~Gilly

One can only hope, Yesterday Cereal bread was 49999k and Field bread was 30000k No one can realistically look at that as a fair price for 100 pieces of bread that heal 100 hp each. Players who've died would need to eat between 12-13 pieces at a time and those who havent usually eat between 2-6 that goes fast. I suppose buying 50 hp bread wouldnt be such a bother but wholemeal is 2 pods per punch and it's no cheaper to buy rye bread than it is than it is to buy 75 field bread.

With a quick selling item like bread, putting the price at 24 999k just so it sells first doesn't really make any difference. It may mean the bread at 25 000k is sold a few minutes later, maybe even hours or days later, but in my experience it always sells eventually. If I see that someone has put something for sale ridiculously cheaply, I don't try to beat their price but just stock up the sellrooms with reasonably priced batches that sell fine as soon as the bargains are gone.

Someone mentioned earlier on that hunter and fisherman are too difficult/slow by comparison. While I agree that grinding a farmer and baker is faster, you can't be doing anything else at the same time with that character. To a certain extent, hunting just happens while you're not really looking. There are rumours that it'll be even better with v2.0, with lots more meat to drop. (And Nikto, you should be able to hunt faster than that! I can gather 100 croco meat in a little over an hour with my chance sac - high pp means pretty much 100% drop rate, but water resistance means I'm hitting with a fury + leek pie combo)

Sometimes those of us with professions we don't use often need a little reminder to use them.

I've been a L100 Alchemist/Farmer/Baker for years, but haven't baked any bread for quite a long time (I used to make a decent amount of money with bread and transit potions). I'll take a look at the prices and maybe start baking again.

Although... it's important that people also consider being butcher/fishmonger customers as well. I haven't been to the Astrub sellrooms for a very long time (I eat the meat my hunter prepares), but there have been times when people would exhaust the bread supply and there would be plenty of edible fish and meat in the sellroom.

They continue to go up.

Well, easy calculation: if players keep buying the bread that is getting more expensive, the prices will go up as everybody wants money. Money for value. If I sell some bread for 20kk per 100 and just out of the curiosity try to sell it for 30kk and it IS sold easily, I won't sell it for 20kk for some time. Unless it goes down in demand. If it stays in high demand, I'm getting used to high prices and just refuse to sell cheaper.

Rosal is growing in levels (meaning players get higher levels) and because of that leveling and grinding for resources for higher level equips becomes more time-demanding. For these people, farmer/bakers level 100, it become not very yielding to actually produce bread - too boring, too time-consuming and so on. And they really have more money because of the drops and other professions. So they simply prefer to buy bread. For example, if you gather/grind/bake bread, you might get 100kk per hour (not actual figures, just for example). In that same hour high level player gets exp (levels) and gets drops worth at least 500kk. Any other arguments not for doing boring farmer/baker activities instead of hanging out with your friends and having some fun in dungeons, fighting some mobs?

After reading this topic I started to bake some cereal bread, as I have level 100 farmer/baker on my alt... It's sold in a moment - 30kk per 100. It's really boring, but it's a bit easier for me - grinding on one acc and gathering ore/wood on the other acc It become funny when both acc are level 100 gatherers and you're not so bored, as you're moving constantly. At least for me

Nyo

However, this can build up, and with idiots who do a drastic decrease in price can create a snowball effect. Luckily, at certain times, one can use this to their benefit in the other direction, so now I'm not really that bothered. Yes. I'm evil.

Croco meat depends on respawn of crocodyles. I can be very unlucky, of course, but usually it takes a lot of time for them to respawn. Also, fights in the swamps are far from exciting for me (none of them lasts longer than 1 minute on any map) and I get nothing except meat. Probably I afk too much to collect croco meat fast
Kanigers are faster for me. Also far from exciting, but they still give some xp to my hunter and I use it to level my DTs.

>>"Well, easy calculation: if players keep buying the bread that is getting more expensive, the prices will go up as everybody wants money. Money for value. If I sell some bread for 20kk per 100 and just out of the curiosity try to sell it for 30kk and it IS sold easily, I won't sell it for 20kk for some time. Unless it goes down in demand. If it stays in high demand, I'm getting used to high prices and just refuse to sell cheaper."

Yeah, I can understand that logic. Who could blame you.

>>"In that same hour high level player gets exp (levels) and gets drops worth at least 500kk. Any other arguments not for doing boring farmer/baker activities instead of hanging out with your friends and having some fun in dungeons, fighting some mobs?"

Something about that sounds off, but the logic is sound. At the same time, you have to give it up to the Farmers/Bakers that provide for you. Running second account for said actions is suggested.

>>"After reading this topic I started to bake some cereal bread, as I have level 100 farmer/baker on my alt... It's sold in a moment - 30kk per 100. It's really boring, but it's a bit easier for me - grinding on one acc and gathering ore/wood on the other acc It become funny when both acc are level 100 gatherers and you're not so bored, as you're moving constantly. At least for me "

Same here Nyo,

I got around to (finally) making my first Farmer/Baker got got them to 30 within 5 hours, today.

This is an issue in Solar, too. Though, not much of an issue if it gets people to provide for themselves, and making newbies/lowbies rich.

I think something also can be said about the "average price for this item message" has something to do with the price hike. Though I agree with everyone else in the thread about the matter, pretty much.

-Cato

This post has been edited by CatOcatastrofe: 16 Sep 2009, 15:19

Making bread can be an all day affair just to meet supply. It's incredibly fatiguing as farming and grinding is ultimately mind numbing. Kudos to the bakers for making some real money for all their time they have to put in.

I myself haven't bought or made any breads for almost a year.

I'm still using fish food and meats that I levelled my monger and butcher on months ago. I knew I saved those for a reason. I just didn't know the reason at the time.

I can make 1000 bread in a little under an hour with lv100 farmer and lv100 baker, so I guess I could make a couple mk a day just doing that.... but then I'd have to remove the pen from my eyeball, since that's what that much boredom would drive me to.

This post has been edited by lazaustin: 18 Sep 2009, 19:33

ill define baking as one thing

BORING BORING AND GODDAMNED BORING


i dunno how i put up with it... may be because its my only source of income

Last I looked Cereal bread was up to 50kk/100 and Field was 35kk/100.

I have been playing Dofus for years and never became p2p. I really agree with everything you say back then and mostly agree with it now. At least we have the "Quantity" now instead of the old fashioned repeat, confirm, repeat, confirm, and so on and so forth for every piece of bread (and flour).

But then the Quantity option has a disadvantage because playing another account when mass producing something increases the chances of lag which means a potential bot ban. As for Wholemeal Bread being so cheap compared to everything else, Wholemeal Bread is the best bread an f2p (lvl 30) Baker can make. When you become p2p, you have better things to do with your subscription instead of grinding bread for easier money.

When I get my mule to lvl 30 Alchemist, I'm going to go straight to Baker while using another account to provide materials. Having a third account running in the background while I stay entertained with running Incarnam dungeon continuously for xp and drops using my lvl 33 Enu.

I drop wind of panic scrolls quite often (100 prospection mini), which sell for about 60kk. I wander from map to map exterminating crocos, so I don't have problems with respawn.