High level and Epic level players - Take a look., How Ankama is forcing the epic level players to quit the game. Options

[medgix]

High level and Epic level players - Take a look. I won't be surprised if this topic actually get deleted. It's not the nicest one but it is the truth.

I'm not an Ankama-basher. Infact I've held a great deal of respect for this company during the years. Afterall, I've been playing dofus since 2005.
1½ years ago I hit level 200 on my ecaflip, one of the first level 200's ever. The more I've kept playing the more I've noticed the lack of content for players at my own level.
It's been 1½ year old without any "real" content. Ok, the challanges we got are nice but you can't exactly call that content.
What has kept me playing you ask? My friends and my guild. All in all, the community - which brings me to this point:

As the leader of an epic level guild (Blank for those who are intrested) I've noticed the huge lack of respect people are starting to get for ankama.

• Those of us who multiclient get limited to 5 accounts. We can't log more unless we have static ip's. Something that costs alot of money for us to get. We get no refunds for the money we spent on subscribing our accounts - hell, we don't even get a "sorry". It takes a few months, the restriction gets lifted and we can play again. We subscribe our accounts and as soon we do - we get restricted again. It's pretty clear that Ankama is doing this to take our money, nothing else. We've asked millions of times for explanations both in tickets and topics HERE AT THEESE FORUMS. We get nothing.
• We get another update with no content.
• They change the whole game mechanics.
• We all know that Ankama Devolopers will realize some of theese changes aren't any good so they will nerf and buff once again.

Basicly - you learn the game and you finished it. All you do is waiting for new content so you can keep playing. Ankama comes marchin in and say "hey, grats - you'll have to start over from square 1". This is no joke, because the changes made in this upcoming update will require new sets for most of our characters, we will have to learn how to play in different groups and how to avoid getting killed.

I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering quitting together with 32 other people (over 80 accounts) from my guild.
We are waiting for the promised "Dofus 2.0" and the "Ice Continent" which should have been out last year and this is what you give us? Is this a bad joke?
We don't wan't to learn how to play the game from the beggining. We like Dofus as it is but we lack content. New monsters, new gears, new areas, new graphics.

Instead of encouraging your old time players to keep playing and get your self a good rumour and more customers from us - you chase us away. Start showing us some god d#mn respect. Stop ignoring us - WE ARE THE GAME!!

I'm fully aware that this is a golden update for many of you lower level players, thats great! In all honesty. But what about us? We are customers too, and lojal customers as well!
Spending years to achieve something that you simply take away from us is pure nonsense and stupidity.

I'm losing my friends, I'm losing a great amount of members from my guild, I have to learn how to play all over again and I have to regear my characters. This was not why I started playing dofus or why I kept playing for so long.

I feel betraid and robbed of my money.

What about you? Do you have the balls to say what you actually think?

/youbutsu 200 eca, ilookgoodinbora 200 cra, tanig 200 sac, arg 200 eni, mesoh-rny 200 enu, reduxxx 199 panda and slampig 19x iop.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 03:02

[MineShaft]

I won't be surprised if this topic actually get deleted. It's not the nicest one but it is the truth.

I'm not an Ankama-basher. Infact I've held a great deal of respect for this company during the years. Afterall, I've been playing dofus since 2005.
1½ years ago I hit level 200 on my ecaflip, one of the first level 200's ever. The more I've kept playing the more I've noticed the lack of content for players at my own level.
It's been 1½ year old without any "real" content. Ok, the challanges we got are nice but you can't exactly call that content.
What has kept me playing you ask? My friends and my guild. All in all, the community - which brings me to this point:

As the leader of an epic level guild (Blank for those who are intrested) I've noticed the huge lack of respect people are starting to get for ankama.

• Those of us who multiclient get limited to 5 accounts. We can't log more unless we have static ip's. Something that costs alot of money for us to get. We get no refunds for the money we spent on subscribing our accounts - hell, we don't even get a "sorry". It takes a few months, the restriction gets lifted and we can play again. We subscribe our accounts and as soon we do - we get restricted again. It's pretty clear that Ankama is doing this to take our money, nothing else. We've asked millions of times for explanations both in tickets and topics HERE AT THEESE FORUMS. We get nothing.
• We get another update with no content.
• They change the whole game mechanics.
• We all know that Ankama Devolopers will realize some of theese changes aren't any good so they will nerf and buff once again.

Basicly - you learn the game and you finished it. All you do is waiting for new content so you can keep playing. Ankama comes marchin in and say "hey, grats - you'll have to start over from square 1". This is no joke, because the changes made in this upcoming update will require new sets for most of our characters, we will have to learn how to play in different groups and how to avoid getting killed.

I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering quitting together with 32 other people (over 80 accounts) from my guild.
We are waiting for the promised "Dofus 2.0" and the "Ice Continent" which should have been out last year and this is what you give us? Is this a bad joke?
We don't wan't to learn how to play the game from the beggining. We like Dofus as it is but we lack content. New monsters, new gears, new areas, new graphics.

Instead of encouraging your old time players to keep playing and get your self a good rumour and more customers from us - you chase us away. Start showing us some god d#mn respect. Stop ignoring us - WE ARE THE GAME!!

I'm fully aware that this is a golden update for many of you lower level players, thats great! In all honesty. But what about us? We are customers too, and lojal customers as well!
Spending years to achieve something that you simply take away from us is pure nonsense and stupidity.

I'm losing my friends, I'm losing a great amount of members from my guild, I have to learn how to play all over again and I have to regear my characters. This was not why I started playing dofus or why I kept playing for so long.

I feel betraid and robbed of my money.

What about you? Do you have the balls to say what you actually think?

/youbutsu 200 eca, ilookgoodinbora 200 cra, tanig 200 sac, arg 200 eni, mesoh-rny 200 enu, reduxxx 199 panda and slampig 19x iop.

Amen

[Xervitus]

more like you prefer to stay in your comfort zone, its just like reality, if you dont keep improving yourself and adapt to changes, you get kick out or stay stagnant in the working society. Things change no matter for the better or worse just live with it.

This post has been edited by Xervitus: 28 Mar 2009, 03:13

[medgix]

more like you prefer to stay in your comfort zone, its just like reality, if you dont keep improving yourself and adapt to changes, you get kick out or stay stagnant in the working society. Things change no matter for the better or worse just live with it.

Wrong, I like changes but I don't like when EVERYTHING changes, I have to start over from square one and all my friends are quitting.
Good try though.

Edit:
Beta ended in September 2005. Yet they are still fixing things that should have been added or corrected since this time. It's been 4 years, how can they not be done yet?

Also, the reason I play this game is because it's NOT reality. Your post is flawed.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 04:19

[blaste]

Im with you youb
/blas 19x sadi, -cainly- 19x xelor, penicillium 13x eni

[oOhatsuOo]

Hey the community,


Im one of the blank member which are quitting dofus, because of the coming update.

As youbutsu said, i feel betraied too, so many years spend on the game, So many questions i have ask, few answers.

I just think this post and all our arguing is like a swordslash in the water but nevermind.........



I dont like the way Ankama go from now on. And as their policy is not to change the opinion, I prefer quit than spending more time.


Well cya

[TecLordCrow]

Me whit you boss youbie

i ar one blank member family Me and my bro blas, quiting game for this new changes..

Its really aww. i dont have word.....

CrOw-MeX
Sac 185
Eni 187
Panda 160

Xelor 190
Sadi 190
Eni 130

Not as they really can kill dofus of that way...
No more dofus for me, if i only its for my friends no for play dofus..

I hate your's ankama to clear my to me appraised game, my only form to clear stress to me.
And now i need find other game and loose my 4 years whit your, i really need to cry.

Regard's
One Player more leave....
ITE Julio Sauceda

This post has been edited by TecLordCrow: 28 Mar 2009, 03:31

[Benzerker]

When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.

I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster.

[II-Mato-II]

When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.

I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster.

Yea, yea, yeah.....We worked long time for those items, and you think we should give them away just like that?
To someone we don't even know?
To someone who won't even say "Thanks"?

Well, DOFUS isn't what it should be, we can't even play without fear that for a few days they will screw up our char?

Take a look.
I make new char...(I won't name class), I spend much money on scrolling and items.
After lots of BR's I go to -2,0 to chat with friends/strangers....Then someone says "did you heard about nerf" "fecas/sacs/enis will suck now"......So....I just lost my money on alt...hard earned money....only because Ankama isn't listening to us..and only because people cry "That class is overpowered" here's your overpowered class...

And you know how Ankama will solve all those problems? -Ban 1 year-
They are making game worse,worse,worse...Ankama , you're only making yourself earn less money.
We worked for our chars! We spend money on p2p!And you throw all that into water?Like "fuck them"....
Money isn't something you should play with.


level 15x <(near 160) cra.

And a lot of his retired alts.

2009-08-08 [News] Cras will suck now! That might be one of news in couple of months ...

This post has been edited by II-Mato-II: 28 Mar 2009, 08:45

[Amicusmagnus]

I agree to this topic, but there is one thing you need to know.
Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game.
Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums.

[SnarfSnarf]

I think Ankama really ought to pay some attention when the 200s start complaining, particularly the leader of the biggest guild in the game. I can't recall Medgix ever whining or ranting or bitching before. So when an update is announced and it's extreme enough to provoke a post such as that from him it might be worth listening, eh, Ankama?

I am not opposed to the changes myself (except the 10% HP lost thing). I am even willing to classify the Wrath change as a change and not a nerf, even though I really do enjoy the rush I get when swinging it at a boss or an earth-weak target and I'll miss that spell a great deal.

But I do see why the 200s are getting pissed. Ankama have put a great deal of effort in to this update but they've done two things to the elite players: Ignored their need for new content to keep them interested and broken their current builds so that they have to start from scratch.

Now some people may consider the fact they have to re-learn and re-equip their characters as something new and fun to do, which is fine, but that's a personal choice for each individual that has to go through it. I can understand why many of the epic level players would see this suggestion as an insult and not an opportunity. It's not fun to have to repeat yourself, especially repeating several years worth of effort. I've spent a great deal of time collecting a custom set for my 14x Iop and a Cere set for my Sacrier. If someone told me now that Sacs were now only str-based (not that they'd take other stats away but, I dunno, make the other elements significantly weaker) there's no way I would ever consider getting her a new set to be fun after everything I went through for the Cere. And that would break my team, too, because my Iop is supposed to handle the Str hits, my Sac is built for fire damage. That's one extreme change (not unlike the ones coming in terms of severity) that would have rendered my both of my characters nearly obsolete. Translate that in to being the owner of several 18x+ characters and apply the entire host of extreme changes that are now rushing in and I think I can understand why these guys are pissed.

So my condolences to those players of such high level, and good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Incidentally I've suggested something for level 200s which, though not exactly new content, would certainly be interesting and would make restarting fresh. I think I'd opt to do it if I reached 200. Anyway:

At level 200 you should be able to reset your character to level 1, as any other class, taking your former class spells and all the earned spell points and characteristic points with you.

Imagine being a level 1 Sadida with 995 characteristic points (scrolls would be lost so new would be needed), 199 spell points (plus any points earned from diamonds) and all Iop spells from your previous incarnation as an Iop.

Such characters should keep their level 200 auras.

This post has been edited by SnarfSnarf: 28 Mar 2009, 09:53

[konnoooceee]

Youbutsu is right, the game isn't even going to be dofus anymore they might as well change the name. They are trying to make it more lower level and pvp based which dofus seriously isn't about. Ah well i will probally end up quiting too because same as Youb and many other people in this forum, the fact that my friends are quiting which is the main reason i play without them the game sucks fact.

Reason we all got to these levels is because we enjoyed the lower level stuff too, pwning a royal gobbal at level 30 was epic back in the day thats why we kept playing and thats why new players keep playing.

/Captivated 189 ecaflip (solar)

[konnoooceee]

whoops double post :<

This post has been edited by konnoooceee: 28 Mar 2009, 11:39

[Ginleit]

Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game.

I agree with your comments, but not necessarily what everyone else wrote here on this post, not 100%. They are making a mess and ruining some of the characters, true. Ankama look at everyone on an equal line, to them, someone who is level 200 is the same as someone who is level 1, they are all customers of Ankama's Games and Services. Epicness is just great, one or two celebrations, Ankama congrats you, for being a long time supporter, in their hearts, they dont care about your greatness alone, but the greatness of the community. (And themselves, yes they are quite selfish too) Epicness only raises one's superiority in the game, but in a community, everyone is equal. in I agree that improving the game in how they are doing now, to some (won't say many, since those that complain is still a minority) its not even considered an improvement.

Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums.

The french people really don't care, though maybe not as much as they do compared to what their own people say (including those that can communicate in french, not really from France) on their own language forum. There is probably just the same amount of minority there that are so disagreeable with recent news.

Well, the answer is simple. Everyone look too closely at their own character abilities, and never at other characters. People consider too much in how one can solo, and not how one can perform in a group (I mean with other people, I am aware of multi-account issues). The easiest way to go for this, is that EVERYONE WHO COMPLAINS IS SELFISH. People think of themselves too much, and not think about other people. Yes its a game, and you are meant to enjoy it, but not necessarily alone, least Ankama don't want to have selfish people playing their game, they cant do much to change one's personality, but all they can do is to build the atmosphere, community through making changes to the game. Those that are too self-centered, and are not willing to cooperate with others, and change their way of thinking will end up quitting or not subscribing for further membership. Those that can reconsider, will continue to play. Those that loves Ankama no matter what (minority), not only keep gaming, but look into subscribing for more membership and support to the Company.

This post has been edited by Ginleit: 28 Mar 2009, 12:21

[medgix]

"Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game."

I am just 1 player (8 accounts) out of 1.5m subscibers. I am the game. I know Ankama arent listening to us, they havent done so the past 1.5 years - but you are.

"When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.
I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster."

Work for it, like we did. You have no use of 19x equipment and most of the players I'm talking about are already merched and gone from the game. Besides, why would we give it away to some random guy asking for equips when we could sell it and divide the kamas amongst friends. Also, why would we want to disapoint you? That makes no sense. We are happy if you enjoy the game.

"Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums."

Moderators handles bots, thefts, scams and helps out with events. They are volunteer workers / Regular players. I bet you theres even mods who are a bit disapointed over their friends quitting. If you mean Devolopers by saying "french people" I understand your point. Many of the french players and even some of the Ankama staff uses this forums. They won't be reading this however but that isnt the purpose of this topic. I want to explain why a majority of us epic level players are upset and quitting to you.

"Those that are too self-centered, and are not willing to cooperate with others, and change their way of thinking will end up quitting or not subscribing for further membership."

I wouldn't be the player I am today if I was too self-centered. In fact, I'm very generous and I understand that lower players loves this update. It benefits them so why not! I've played this game for 4 years and now I have start over. I'm not exactly thrilled to be in this position. My main concern are all of the things I posted at the top. Basicly my friends quitting. Theese are radical changes, I understand why so many players are quitting but many of you don't understand. Hopefuly you'll understand how Ankama is ruining the game as the years passes by.

SnarfSnarf:

Cheers for the nice support, but I am a regular player as anyone else ^^. Ankama them selfs wont care the least of what I have to say, they never did. I'm just intrested to hear other people ideas about this whole thing and express my disapointment towards Ankama. See it as a warning .
I don't like this update at all, but I could keep playing it if it wasnt for the huge amount of friends quitting. Only in Blank we have 33 people quitting or going on breaks because of this update - lack of content. Blank is not the only "high level guild". 10 guilds 'a 33 players = 330 players. Add alts to that and you might pass the 1000 accounts barrier.
My friendlist used to be full. 38 people on it quit theese past 2 weeks. Now its almost empty.

Its looking really bad.

This post has been edited by medgix: 28 Mar 2009, 13:49

[MassageMania]

Saw the post from Cap so thought I'd add my two cents. I started playing Dofus about 20 months ago. Liked the game and trained a 3 man team on Rosal 15x iop/13x eni/12x agil sram. Then Ankama had all kinds of major technical difficulty, what with the major lag (like pings off the charts) and "rollbacks" of last spring. So when they opened Solar, after about two weeks I figured I'd start over. 9 months later 194 sac/189eni/187crit cra team on Solar. I got really frustrated trying to drop for end gear, example: 39 Lechoque fights to drop beard and still no scrawny, 41 Firefoux dungeon runs and only 9 fabs and 1 tail. Suddenly a 3hr grind to Not drop was just a pain.
AND NOW THIS CRAP! Even if i wanted to go back to Solar and maybe make 200 the sac is nerfed. Quite frankly MY ASS HURTS. I feel like a hung-over, used and abused prom queen who got trained by the football team after being roofied. Oh well guess I will have to find something productive to do.

Spike

[festering-pit]

Well said, youb.
Pity I think Ankama gives a sh*t (again) four your/our voice and take back all those stupid changes.

Even when Terra Incognita is a much lower guild, we also had many quitters within the last year (compared to once 32 active members 10 quitters is a lot.) Their reason also was boredom, all that stupid nerfs and no new exiting content.
Also my own motivation has gone back about 90% and a few days after 1.27 comes out my subscription runs out. This might be another 5 paid accounts Ankam will lose.

I think Dofus is dieing slowly and just taking it's last few breathes...

aK-cra / Ripsi / Troffleman / Lagoth-Zanta / Brilhasti
dofussing since August 2005

This post has been edited by festering-pit: 28 Mar 2009, 14:25

[Xarros]

LOL My 2 cents.


I was waiting for someone to bring this up!

I'm not currently running epic chars but I agree with the statement.

Even wow has added content for there epic lvl players.

Not to mention the fact that they still haven't fixed the current content they have.

ie. dead cells, cities full of abandoned houses, lag & disconnect issues ect.

It would be nice to have a stable game.

Ankama please stop trying to go in 6 different directions at once & deal with what you got.
(A growing number of tired & fed up players)

Thanx
Xarros

[SnarfSnarf]

A suggestion for high-end dungeon that I feel is unique and would give 200s something to enjoy again
http://forum.dofus.com/en/game-development...eon-t72946.html

[WhatAnOrc]

I have respect for Blank and what they accomplsh in game - however with each great change, players say that they quit, never return, etc, and in a few months, when everyone else has regained balance from update, those players see the game is not dead, return, life returns to same as always.

With so much shares - not just Blank, seems all high guilds share - even if a player quit for good, likely their account goes on in other hands, everyone used to others playing account, hard for community to tell the difference when high level truly quits.