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Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 02:59

I won't be surprised if this topic actually get deleted. It's not the nicest one but it is the truth.

I'm not an Ankama-basher. Infact I've held a great deal of respect for this company during the years. Afterall, I've been playing dofus since 2005.
1½ years ago I hit level 200 on my ecaflip, one of the first level 200's ever. The more I've kept playing the more I've noticed the lack of content for players at my own level.
It's been 1½ year old without any "real" content. Ok, the challanges we got are nice but you can't exactly call that content.
What has kept me playing you ask? My friends and my guild. All in all, the community - which brings me to this point:

As the leader of an epic level guild (Blank for those who are intrested) I've noticed the huge lack of respect people are starting to get for ankama.

• Those of us who multiclient get limited to 5 accounts. We can't log more unless we have static ip's. Something that costs alot of money for us to get. We get no refunds for the money we spent on subscribing our accounts - hell, we don't even get a "sorry". It takes a few months, the restriction gets lifted and we can play again. We subscribe our accounts and as soon we do - we get restricted again. It's pretty clear that Ankama is doing this to take our money, nothing else. We've asked millions of times for explanations both in tickets and topics HERE AT THEESE FORUMS. We get nothing.
• We get another update with no content.
• They change the whole game mechanics.
• We all know that Ankama Devolopers will realize some of theese changes aren't any good so they will nerf and buff once again.

Basicly - you learn the game and you finished it. All you do is waiting for new content so you can keep playing. Ankama comes marchin in and say "hey, grats - you'll have to start over from square 1". This is no joke, because the changes made in this upcoming update will require new sets for most of our characters, we will have to learn how to play in different groups and how to avoid getting killed.

I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering quitting together with 32 other people (over 80 accounts) from my guild.
We are waiting for the promised "Dofus 2.0" and the "Ice Continent" which should have been out last year and this is what you give us? Is this a bad joke?
We don't wan't to learn how to play the game from the beggining. We like Dofus as it is but we lack content. New monsters, new gears, new areas, new graphics.

Instead of encouraging your old time players to keep playing and get your self a good rumour and more customers from us - you chase us away. Start showing us some god d#mn respect. Stop ignoring us - WE ARE THE GAME!!

I'm fully aware that this is a golden update for many of you lower level players, thats great! In all honesty. But what about us? We are customers too, and lojal customers as well!
Spending years to achieve something that you simply take away from us is pure nonsense and stupidity.

I'm losing my friends, I'm losing a great amount of members from my guild, I have to learn how to play all over again and I have to regear my characters. This was not why I started playing dofus or why I kept playing for so long.

I feel betraid and robbed of my money.

What about you? Do you have the balls to say what you actually think?

/youbutsu 200 eca, ilookgoodinbora 200 cra, tanig 200 sac, arg 200 eni, mesoh-rny 200 enu, reduxxx 199 panda and slampig 19x iop.

Posted by: MineShaft 28 Mar 2009, 03:03

Amen

Posted by: Xervitus 28 Mar 2009, 03:12

more like you prefer to stay in your comfort zone, its just like reality, if you dont keep improving yourself and adapt to changes, you get kick out or stay stagnant in the working society. Things change no matter for the better or worse just live with it.

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 03:15

Wrong, I like changes but I don't like when EVERYTHING changes, I have to start over from square one and all my friends are quitting.
Good try though.

Edit:
Beta ended in September 2005. Yet they are still fixing things that should have been added or corrected since this time. It's been 4 years, how can they not be done yet?

Also, the reason I play this game is because it's NOT reality. Your post is flawed.

Posted by: blaste 28 Mar 2009, 03:19

Im with you youb
/blas 19x sadi, -cainly- 19x xelor, penicillium 13x eni

Posted by: oOhatsuOo 28 Mar 2009, 03:25

Hey the community,


Im one of the blank member which are quitting dofus, because of the coming update.

As youbutsu said, i feel betraied too, so many years spend on the game, So many questions i have ask, few answers.

I just think this post and all our arguing is like a swordslash in the water but nevermind.........



I dont like the way Ankama go from now on. And as their policy is not to change the opinion, I prefer quit than spending more time.


Well cya

Posted by: TecLordCrow 28 Mar 2009, 03:29

Me whit you boss youbie

i ar one blank member family Me and my bro blas, quiting game for this new changes..

Its really aww. i dont have word.....

CrOw-MeX
Sac 185
Eni 187
Panda 160

Xelor 190
Sadi 190
Eni 130

Not as they really can kill dofus of that way...
No more dofus for me, if i only its for my friends no for play dofus..

I hate your's ankama to clear my to me appraised game, my only form to clear stress to me.
And now i need find other game and loose my 4 years whit your, i really need to cry.

Regard's
One Player more leave....
ITE Julio Sauceda

Posted by: Benzerker 28 Mar 2009, 07:14

When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.

I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster.

Posted by: II-Mato-II 28 Mar 2009, 08:41

Yea, yea, yeah.....We worked long time for those items, and you think we should give them away just like that?
To someone we don't even know?
To someone who won't even say "Thanks"?

Well, DOFUS isn't what it should be, we can't even play without fear that for a few days they will screw up our char?

Take a look.
I make new char...(I won't name class), I spend much money on scrolling and items.
After lots of BR's I go to -2,0 to chat with friends/strangers....Then someone says "did you heard about nerf" "fecas/sacs/enis will suck now"......So....I just lost my money on alt...hard earned money....only because Ankama isn't listening to us..and only because people cry "That class is overpowered" here's your overpowered class...

And you know how Ankama will solve all those problems? -Ban 1 year-
They are making game worse,worse,worse...Ankama , you're only making yourself earn less money.
We worked for our chars! We spend money on p2p!And you throw all that into water?Like "fuck them"....
Money isn't something you should play with.


level 15x <(near 160) cra.

And a lot of his retired alts.

2009-08-08 [News] Cras will suck now! That might be one of news in couple of months ...

Posted by: Amicusmagnus 28 Mar 2009, 09:31

I agree to this topic, but there is one thing you need to know.
Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game.
Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums.

Posted by: SnarfSnarf 28 Mar 2009, 09:53

I think Ankama really ought to pay some attention when the 200s start complaining, particularly the leader of the biggest guild in the game. I can't recall Medgix ever whining or ranting or bitching before. So when an update is announced and it's extreme enough to provoke a post such as that from him it might be worth listening, eh, Ankama?

I am not opposed to the changes myself (except the 10% HP lost thing). I am even willing to classify the Wrath change as a change and not a nerf, even though I really do enjoy the rush I get when swinging it at a boss or an earth-weak target and I'll miss that spell a great deal.

But I do see why the 200s are getting pissed. Ankama have put a great deal of effort in to this update but they've done two things to the elite players: Ignored their need for new content to keep them interested and broken their current builds so that they have to start from scratch.

Now some people may consider the fact they have to re-learn and re-equip their characters as something new and fun to do, which is fine, but that's a personal choice for each individual that has to go through it. I can understand why many of the epic level players would see this suggestion as an insult and not an opportunity. It's not fun to have to repeat yourself, especially repeating several years worth of effort. I've spent a great deal of time collecting a custom set for my 14x Iop and a Cere set for my Sacrier. If someone told me now that Sacs were now only str-based (not that they'd take other stats away but, I dunno, make the other elements significantly weaker) there's no way I would ever consider getting her a new set to be fun after everything I went through for the Cere. And that would break my team, too, because my Iop is supposed to handle the Str hits, my Sac is built for fire damage. That's one extreme change (not unlike the ones coming in terms of severity) that would have rendered my both of my characters nearly obsolete. Translate that in to being the owner of several 18x+ characters and apply the entire host of extreme changes that are now rushing in and I think I can understand why these guys are pissed.

So my condolences to those players of such high level, and good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Incidentally I've suggested something for level 200s which, though not exactly new content, would certainly be interesting and would make restarting fresh. I think I'd opt to do it if I reached 200. Anyway:

Posted by: konnoooceee 28 Mar 2009, 11:34

Youbutsu is right, the game isn't even going to be dofus anymore they might as well change the name. They are trying to make it more lower level and pvp based which dofus seriously isn't about. Ah well i will probally end up quiting too because same as Youb and many other people in this forum, the fact that my friends are quiting which is the main reason i play without them the game sucks fact.

Reason we all got to these levels is because we enjoyed the lower level stuff too, pwning a royal gobbal at level 30 was epic back in the day thats why we kept playing and thats why new players keep playing.

/Captivated 189 ecaflip (solar)

Posted by: konnoooceee 28 Mar 2009, 11:37

whoops double post :<

Posted by: Ginleit 28 Mar 2009, 12:16

I agree with your comments, but not necessarily what everyone else wrote here on this post, not 100%. They are making a mess and ruining some of the characters, true. Ankama look at everyone on an equal line, to them, someone who is level 200 is the same as someone who is level 1, they are all customers of Ankama's Games and Services. Epicness is just great, one or two celebrations, Ankama congrats you, for being a long time supporter, in their hearts, they dont care about your greatness alone, but the greatness of the community. (And themselves, yes they are quite selfish too) Epicness only raises one's superiority in the game, but in a community, everyone is equal. in I agree that improving the game in how they are doing now, to some (won't say many, since those that complain is still a minority) its not even considered an improvement.



The french people really don't care, though maybe not as much as they do compared to what their own people say (including those that can communicate in french, not really from France) on their own language forum. There is probably just the same amount of minority there that are so disagreeable with recent news.

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 13:19

"Ankama does not care one tiny bit about what you wrote.
You are just 1 player out of 1,5m subscribers.
Hundreds complained, but who cares its their game."

I am just 1 player (8 accounts) out of 1.5m subscibers. I am the game. I know Ankama arent listening to us, they havent done so the past 1.5 years - but you are.

"When you guys do quit, just make sure you post over the trade channel that you're giving away all your hard-earned equipment and resources so us newcomers can take advantage of it.
I'm probably coming off as a bit of a smartass but if you did that, we would quickly become just as jaded as you and disappointed even faster."

Work for it, like we did. You have no use of 19x equipment and most of the players I'm talking about are already merched and gone from the game. Besides, why would we give it away to some random guy asking for equips when we could sell it and divide the kamas amongst friends. Also, why would we want to disapoint you? That makes no sense. We are happy if you enjoy the game.

"Some moderator will maaaaybe read this, and tell you we should be happy about changes, or something like that.
But mods cant do anything anyway. And french people probably dont even bother reading international forums."

Moderators handles bots, thefts, scams and helps out with events. They are volunteer workers / Regular players. I bet you theres even mods who are a bit disapointed over their friends quitting. If you mean Devolopers by saying "french people" I understand your point. Many of the french players and even some of the Ankama staff uses this forums. They won't be reading this however but that isnt the purpose of this topic. I want to explain why a majority of us epic level players are upset and quitting to you.

"Those that are too self-centered, and are not willing to cooperate with others, and change their way of thinking will end up quitting or not subscribing for further membership."

I wouldn't be the player I am today if I was too self-centered. In fact, I'm very generous and I understand that lower players loves this update. It benefits them so why not! I've played this game for 4 years and now I have start over. I'm not exactly thrilled to be in this position. My main concern are all of the things I posted at the top. Basicly my friends quitting. Theese are radical changes, I understand why so many players are quitting but many of you don't understand. Hopefuly you'll understand how Ankama is ruining the game as the years passes by.

SnarfSnarf:

Cheers for the nice support, but I am a regular player as anyone else ^^. Ankama them selfs wont care the least of what I have to say, they never did. I'm just intrested to hear other people ideas about this whole thing and express my disapointment towards Ankama. See it as a warning .
I don't like this update at all, but I could keep playing it if it wasnt for the huge amount of friends quitting. Only in Blank we have 33 people quitting or going on breaks because of this update - lack of content. Blank is not the only "high level guild". 10 guilds 'a 33 players = 330 players. Add alts to that and you might pass the 1000 accounts barrier.
My friendlist used to be full. 38 people on it quit theese past 2 weeks. Now its almost empty.

Its looking really bad.

Posted by: MassageMania 28 Mar 2009, 14:09

Saw the post from Cap so thought I'd add my two cents. I started playing Dofus about 20 months ago. Liked the game and trained a 3 man team on Rosal 15x iop/13x eni/12x agil sram. Then Ankama had all kinds of major technical difficulty, what with the major lag (like pings off the charts) and "rollbacks" of last spring. So when they opened Solar, after about two weeks I figured I'd start over. 9 months later 194 sac/189eni/187crit cra team on Solar. I got really frustrated trying to drop for end gear, example: 39 Lechoque fights to drop beard and still no scrawny, 41 Firefoux dungeon runs and only 9 fabs and 1 tail. Suddenly a 3hr grind to Not drop was just a pain.
AND NOW THIS CRAP! Even if i wanted to go back to Solar and maybe make 200 the sac is nerfed. Quite frankly MY ASS HURTS. I feel like a hung-over, used and abused prom queen who got trained by the football team after being roofied. Oh well guess I will have to find something productive to do.

Spike

Posted by: festering-pit 28 Mar 2009, 14:23

Well said, youb.
Pity I think Ankama gives a sh*t (again) four your/our voice and take back all those stupid changes.

Even when Terra Incognita is a much lower guild, we also had many quitters within the last year (compared to once 32 active members 10 quitters is a lot.) Their reason also was boredom, all that stupid nerfs and no new exiting content.
Also my own motivation has gone back about 90% and a few days after 1.27 comes out my subscription runs out. This might be another 5 paid accounts Ankam will lose.

I think Dofus is dieing slowly and just taking it's last few breathes...

aK-cra / Ripsi / Troffleman / Lagoth-Zanta / Brilhasti
dofussing since August 2005

Posted by: Xarros 28 Mar 2009, 14:49

LOL My 2 cents.


I was waiting for someone to bring this up!

I'm not currently running epic chars but I agree with the statement.

Even wow has added content for there epic lvl players.

Not to mention the fact that they still haven't fixed the current content they have.

ie. dead cells, cities full of abandoned houses, lag & disconnect issues ect.

It would be nice to have a stable game.

Ankama please stop trying to go in 6 different directions at once & deal with what you got.
(A growing number of tired & fed up players)

Thanx
Xarros

Posted by: SnarfSnarf 28 Mar 2009, 15:13

A suggestion for high-end dungeon that I feel is unique and would give 200s something to enjoy again
http://forum.dofus.com/en/game-development-f8/heaven-dungeon-t72946.html

Posted by: WhatAnOrc 28 Mar 2009, 15:38

I have respect for Blank and what they accomplsh in game - however with each great change, players say that they quit, never return, etc, and in a few months, when everyone else has regained balance from update, those players see the game is not dead, return, life returns to same as always.

With so much shares - not just Blank, seems all high guilds share - even if a player quit for good, likely their account goes on in other hands, everyone used to others playing account, hard for community to tell the difference when high level truly quits.

Posted by: SnarfSnarf 28 Mar 2009, 15:53

They're not complaining that the game is broken. Medgix even conceded that the update is good for lower level characters. They're saying the game is being changed so much that all the effort they put in has been undone and they're not sure they want to start a ton of new sets for all their characters and that they would appreciate it if their loyalty was rewarded with new content so they could stay interested.

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 15:53

But you are missing the picture... They already sold their equips, and the people they shared with quit as well. They arent coming back, otherwise I wouldn't be so frustrated as I am. I've been through each and single one of theese updates, but this one is really making people quit. With our friends gone, what will be the reason for us to keep playing?

Posted by: II-Mato-II 28 Mar 2009, 15:54

I drinked too much

Posted by: SEOLJL 28 Mar 2009, 16:10

Heroic is even in a worse state .... add the fact that even more people quit when they die and your gonna get left out with well .. no one playing.

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 16:16

Yeah I can imagine heroic dying... What a total blow :\...

Posted by: mkz 28 Mar 2009, 16:29

Hi youbi <3 nice topic ^^

got things to say : -

1) Dofus is dieing .

2) Good players quiting .

3) Ankama dont care? they just want to destroy the game for us ..?

4) Paying and spending all this time to play and u ankama comes now and changeing new things ? all this years now u come and change?

5) Oki ppl who payed for there alts just now and they got (8)accounts they just throw them away bcoz max account opening or limited 5accounts only? ok mabey He/She dont want to play with any1 He/She wants to play alone . All the time alone dont need pplz help He/She had 8accounts and this poor guy/girl what going to do alone?throw his/her char just like that? + sac's will be nerf fighting tot b4 take's like 18mins now 1hour in test server.... lol?

6) If ppl rich they wana do like 20+accounts .. whats the problem with it ? its there money why u feeling bad about it ? u getting the money u getting richr bcoz ppl paying ... * I Think we got what we want lets try and see ppl reactions now *?


I Really dont know what to say ppl paid and working all day long getting money for paying for u ANKAMA and in the end u changeing things and make it worest .. and u dont care at all , meh u have the right u got what u want now dofus all over the world now , but u dont lisn and read what ppl write's ...

*quit*

???200 , ???200 , ???199 , ???199 , ???19x

cya ..

Posted by: KytiaOne 28 Mar 2009, 16:30

For the first time since beta I am seriously considering quitting Dofus due to an update. I am an "epic lvl player." I've leveled three characters from lvl 1 to lvl 200, a fourth char to 196. I pay for 8 accounts personally, I have characters ranging from lvl 30 to lvl 200. I've happily adjusted to all previous updates.

But this one is too much.

My sacrier is my love - I've been playing her on beta, I don't even recognize her anymore. This is not a matter of adjusting, this is a matter of being forced to play a totally different character.

I just sold the set my eni will need after this update ffs.

When I want to start over, I make a new character (yeah yeah, not all of you can afford that but I can). I do not want to start over on a character I've spent 4 years on.

I was already suffering from the first pangs of boredom, fighting it by staying busy, hoping for new content to pique my interest anew.

And to the person who blew this off saying everyone complains about changes, then everyone adjusts - perhaps that is true of past updates. At the worse most of those who complained quit their current characters and switched to another. But this time people are quitting before the update even happens. And these people are my friends, the people I grew up with in this game, the now epic players.

Ankama is a business. They will adjust their game to suit their biggest group of members. Yes, there are quite a few epic players now, but so so many more mid level and lower level. Ankama is willing to sacrifice the few to please the many. Ok Ankama, I do understand you have a business to run. The loss of 500 or so epic players means nothing to you in the whole scheme of things.

As such, I expect I will be saying good-bye to Dofus.

Posted by: Sosha 28 Mar 2009, 16:51

just to correct alot of you...
EVERYONE (with the exception of noob lvl characters) are super upset about the update.
with the 10% unhealable damage mid to high lvl players with end up having to spend more kamas on healing items (thus increasing the popularity of kama sellers) and with the huge limitation set of Eniripsa and Sacrier most high lvl dungeons will be for lvl 190+ characters, who (ironicly) are quitting...
The additionally I feel as if Ankama is punishing Sacrier for having such high health...because all of our stats just so happen to start at 300 so why should we get high health too right? >.>
I am not quiting but I assure you that everyone over lvl 100 is outraged at how hard it will be to adjust to a game that changed (literally) over night.

P.S.
Anyone get the feeling that damage-build Sacrier will be the new "in" PvM build?

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 17:15

I've decided to go against Ankama on this and I'm contacting several gaming magazines/sites to explain our view on this matter.
As I've played since beta I've experienced each and every single one of the changes made during the years. I know the history and I've decided to share it with the rest of the world. Ankama doesn't listen to us, but perhaps they will listen to theese people.
4 years and the game is still not through beta stage. The most loyal and epic level players are getting screwed over and a majority of the multiclienters are getting robbed of their money with the new "5 account limit".

• GamePro
• GameInformer.com
• Beckett Massive Online
• GamerMagazine
• Pc Gamer
• GamerZines.com
• Game Developer Magazine
• 1up.com
• IGN.com
• InsideMacGames
• GameSpot.com
• GameTrailers.com
• GameFaqs.com
• G4Tv.com
• TentonHammer.com

If you know another big game magazine or gaming site that might be intrested in the history of this game, don't hesitate to contact me.

Believe me, I'm gonna throw some sense into the devolopers no matter what it takes me.
Edit: You might wonder how I'll pull this through. I already started writing them and I'm going to direct theese magazines to the most influent dofus players on each server.

Posted by: whiteningx 28 Mar 2009, 17:26

Why is Ankama 'fixing' a system that doesn't need to be fixed or changed? Why don't they concentrate on 2.0 or whatever, or fix things that actually DO NEED to get fixed and changed?

Posted by: ravencrow 28 Mar 2009, 18:06

Well Said Youb....Well Said....

Thanks for taking a stand for the people who play Dofus, and spend alot of their hard earned money into this.

They are basically saying "Fuck Your Needs...but give us your money anyway"

Im not an epic lv Im only 125, but still Ankama needs to stop playing with themselves and realize that its not whatever they want for the game, its what WE want for the game. Cause Youb is right... we are the game... Unless Ankama can get hundreds of thousands and dollars from their own pocket, they should start paying attention to the people that give it to them.

Posted by: Odziema 28 Mar 2009, 19:02

I agree with youb, Not because of im a Blank member, Dofus was great when I started to play in 2005 since then. They have been chaning all good things to the wrong side. They maybe think its good but I totally dont like the new changes they made and This time thay made it more wrose. So to Ankama My request will be Please dont make the game from PVM to PVP.

Thanks to all

Posted by: hullupaska 28 Mar 2009, 19:24

Thank u butsu for making this post I believe that u r only 1 who can change those idiots minds about next update. I've been thinking of quitting too...like many many else :S

Terasbetoni,leader of UtE

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 20:10

I appricate all the comments this topic is getting, and let me remind you that the more links I get to gaming sites and gaming magazines the better. I'm having this whole thing translated for the french community as well, as I know that there are french gaming magazines and sites as well that would be intrested to hear about our view in this matter. With some help from theese hardcore players we might get our voices heard as international players for the first time. I'm tired of getting ignored and pushed around without beeing abled to raise my voice with valid points or frustration for that matter.

Posted by: Xuanygrandmother 28 Mar 2009, 20:24

5 account limit is bullshit, that is just basic costumer service denial.
same shit with "payment" problems and IP block.

on the upcoming update tho I wont agree
I love the most of it, my eni get a boost, feca 199 huby is happy, yep I'll have to re-learn to play my sacrier and regear, enutrof w/e I just hope they dont nerf corruption, panda extra-fun, and my int eca is goint to see a lot of copycat (f*** you all I was the first lol)

see it may not occur to you "the big famous high levels" but a lot of high level payers are loving the changes. and they are not a minority despite what you can think.
(high starting from 150)
yeah it's sad there is still no new content, but the game changes arent less exciting because of it.

sacrier and iops playing tactical? eni loosing their invicibility? dodge locking getting smarter?
that's the dofus we are getting and I'm damn happy about it.

haloa 1.27

C-TuC eni 199, sac 196, enu 196, panda 195, eca 199

Posted by: -Travis-- 28 Mar 2009, 20:25

Amen to that. I agree with the entire topic, and I'm really glad someone decided to do something about the end of Dofus... errr I mean 1.27

I know I didn't because I had things to do -picks dirt out from under nails-



*Travis

Posted by: ravencrow 28 Mar 2009, 20:27

Youb.

Its not like a magazine type...

But you can try www.gamespot.com and www.gametrailers.com

They do reveiws and news and others things of the gaming sort.

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 28 Mar 2009, 20:30

Well I'm sure EVERYONE knows my point of view by now, nice to see some other epic level characters have joined the course! I totally agree with you youb' and have been fighting against this update every step of the way since it was released in testing. I guess when it comes I'll be quitting too taking my two accounts and not re-subbing. Plus I'm sick to death of having my posts removed from this forum that speak out against these changes, I've even been banned once for sticking up for my class.

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 20:31

Honestly glad you like it, but it should have been here 4 years ago and not now. That is a problem.

Posted by: killerfurby 28 Mar 2009, 20:58

post this EXACT thing in french on the french forum and something may actually happen. saying it on here wont do anything. most of ankama prob dont even speak english.

i agree with u 100%

haha i dont see KA trying to argue with one of if not THE most experienced dofus player of all time... literally

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 21:04

Actually Killer, I've contacted a guild over at Jiva that our guild is exchanging info with. The french community will get this whole topic translated and I'm getting help contacting french sites and magazines. It's about time someone dares to stand up. Worst thing they can do is to ban me, but I will still get my voice heard and I won't give up until I get some information, explanations and excuses. Afterall, the game isn't apealing to me right now anyway.

Posted by: killerfurby 28 Mar 2009, 21:22

ive heard that even on the french forum there is a HUGE disgust about this update. even more than on this forum. so tbh it may not actually happen.

ive also been playing since beta. im not quite as high as u lol i was only a 15o xelor but i gave that up when they ruined wis xelors. now i just play heroic. seems more interesting than rushu atm.

ive only got 19 days of subscription left thank god. i for one most likely will not be resubscribing if this takes into effect.

i like some of the things. like new challenges/ new alignment quests (tho im annoyed that its only 10. 10???? after 3 and half years they do 10?)

what i dont get is that how could they not have predicted that this will upset the vast amount of players. its changing the who game.

no excuses really. no other mmporg does this. runescape tried but they realized how bad it was. i think i may just go back to ff11. would do wow but for some reason it doesnt work on my laptop

the main things i think should have been in the game from the very start or within the first year are all 100 alignment quests, all the 'real' dofuses in the game... i mean come on, the whole point of the game is to collect the 6 dofuses. that IS the reason for the game. but after nearly 4 years there is still only 4 in? no excuses.
and i want my god damn pellet sling

Posted by: annebacker 28 Mar 2009, 21:44

I see where you are coming with all of your complains.

Despite the fact that I just LOVE the update. I recognize that it's too much change at once, ankama is trying to fix things that should have been fixed during beta, but since it's been 4 years already, I think it would be better to leave things as is.

Some changes, like the Punishment being based on how much dmg the sac took, are quite understandable. However, changing how punishments (buffs) work completely change the game, and some people (like yourself) simply won't adapt to the changes (which is totally understandable)

The only thing I can say is:

Keep doing what you are doing, complain until Ankama's ears start to bleed. 1.26 was supposed to be the "Feca-killer" update, but we got together and reversed some changes, I think now it's time for sacriers to do that.

Anyway, good luck with it. And if I may suggest something... Even if the changes are implemented, try to stick around, and instead of having a godly one-man-army try doing things with other people (thought this will be hard for some like you, that already did most of what the game can offer)

Scrier 186 feca, 164 panda, 144 enu, 100 osa

Posted by: Harut 28 Mar 2009, 21:46

Sadly, no matter how much we complain this update will still happen. Only after they go through with this and see how much money and how many customers they lose they will probably go back and change it.....after a few months.

Really, I think they should change the feca/eni/sac back to the way they were (though if the sac's punishment lasted 5 turns and the bonuses were inf. that would be awesome). And instead of trying to rebalance the classes, which they are sort of failing at now, they should give us some new content, such as the ice continent and Dofus 2.0, and things for players who have reached lvls 190-200. A dungeon and maybe another area with stronger monsters would be nice. And they need to add in the other real dofuses!

I'm sure everyone would be happy then, or at least most people would be happy.

Posted by: killerfurby 28 Mar 2009, 21:48

dont forget sram.

Posted by: medgix 28 Mar 2009, 21:54

Good post =). I would keep doing stuff with my friends and guildees if they werent dropping like flies thanks to this update. Ok, we might be abled to reverse some change but what about the people liking those changes then? Then they get stomped at. It's just like you wrote, alot of theese changes had to happend but not all of them and specialy not all at once. Dofus will slowly die if the devolopers doesn't start listening to us. And with the bad commercial coming up it wont be getting any better. Lets see who knows better, those who play the game or those who write it - the war is on.

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 28 Mar 2009, 21:56

Good Luck. (for once I'm not being sarcastic)

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: Lightning-Courier 28 Mar 2009, 22:27

I am not quite epic, but I am high level...

I am seriously considering not resubbing my characters. I've played on the test server, and the test server is simply not the game that I originally started playing. Sure, it's a vaguely interesting game still, but it's not quite the game I want to play. The sac change, in my opinion, goes too far. It is not even the same class anymore.

I see the 10% hp and the change to dodgelocking as restricting what I can do in game, and putting some dungeons out of my reach. The fact is simply that if the update goes through I will be able to do less in game than I can now. That is ridiculous.

Posted by: elak 28 Mar 2009, 23:23

I should have quit a long time ago. It has been a long time since the game itself stopped me from resubscribing. My friends and my girlfriend are what has kept me to the game. I still play, even though it is now only occasionally. Became a parent and at the same time grew bored of the game staying the same, despite Ankama's "efforts". Anyways...

I started playing during beta testing. Back then the game had alot of.. shall we say charm. Everything was new to everyone and exploring and learning was a big part of gameplay. Heck, leaving Tainela was a big step! The game evolved quickly at that time. I was too much of a noob to know if most of the present game existed at that time (excluding what was added with updates, like otomai etc), but i had new things to find for a long time. Then, at about level 140 or so, when "all" mobs had been beaten and "all" maps discovered, the game started to mean less and less to me. I shifted from playing the game to playing with my friends. New stuff was added later on and i loved it, but too little and too late. The world of 12 is simply too small to keep one busy and interested for a long time. Open your dofus map and zoom out so you can see the whole continent. Now imagine if it was twice that size, or more! Sure, you would grow tired eventually, but you would have so much more to do. Ice continent, the overhyped new never-to-arrive part of the game - when it arrives it will probably keep you busy for another couple of months or so, like otomai. Then what? Dofus 2.0 - yay, great! New looks and a new feel to it - but still the same, boring content. Will this keep you playing? Probably not. I bet Ankama will add more to pvp, but meh. Dofus is man vs. Gobball. Not man vs. man. If you want the latter, play tekken or something.

What i am saying is that Dofus is missing content. We need more worlds, more maps, more mobs and more drops - meaning more equips and more different char builds. I can not understand how they can not release more content. There is alot of stuff created but not implemented, like the said slingshot. And what about /pipo? For four years it has been kept to one or a few people. Implement it to everyone and make it interesting to fight for it. Alignment quests, add another 10 after all this time? Should i cry or should i... quit? Bunuses are not even interesting anymore.

Dofus will never come out of beta state. We will stay disappointed.


Edit: i did not mention the update. that's because it is not what this is about, to me. players always quit when things change, and that is sad. but i find the coming update quite interesting and in some parts thought through and needed. but, as stated, too late. let's pray the most upsetting changes don't go through, after all most of us like playing. With friends, not the game.

Posted by: TehFrogpince 28 Mar 2009, 23:36

Hello there, I agree with the content issues, serriously, I can list the dungeons/monsters I have not fought on one hand Gigantic Kralove, thats it (the door is prehaps the only thing stopping me there) My Main is a 199 Sac I'm not scrolled and I have 3 alts, Saddia,Eni and an Osa.. I'm getting bored. I there are no boundries to cross.. I'm not going to quit just yet, but frankly, I'm hanging out for something interesting grinding is kinda...yeap same ol' strangely , being grinding ^^
frankly at the momment, the only interesting thing I am doing is breeding turkeys.. meeeeeh

We really do need some new content the ice expantion, or the battle zones idea..
I'm a mixed bag with the changes, I've given my opinion in other places about that..
So yeah...
lets get with some expansions please

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 28 Mar 2009, 23:38

Then I'd say you are oblivious to the damage being done and very much doubt you have even tested the changes. The majority who have will tell you they are the worst thing to happen to dofus yet!

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: TehFrogpince 28 Mar 2009, 23:44

Actually I have been playing arround a bit on the test, I listed my opinion of the changes to sacs on the Sac forum.. for me they are not so big a kick to the teeth as prehaps others.. I would say more, but there is another thread about that. for me it will not be as big a change.

Posted by: BigVtech 28 Mar 2009, 23:54

I've only been playing for about a year now so I can't complain too much about the content of the game. There's still a lot I've yet to explore in the world of twelve, but for those who have been playing for as long as some have I can't even imagine how frustrating it would be. Now on with my point.

I agree with them wanting to balance out the classes, but they're going about it in entirely the wrong way.

Rather than adding stuff to a class to make it stronger they add a smidge here and there to them making them slightly better than take away from another class. It just doesn't make sense in any way shape form or fashion. I mean come on is there any person who plays the game that would complain if their character was made stronger? Hey lets say for example if you're playing a Cra and you happen to be fighting something or someone with a ton of hp. Wouldn't you like oh say a spell that would do damage based on the amount of hp your opponent had? Sort of like the coutner "Punishment".

That's the kind of balancing they should be doing, but I don't think it will ever happen. Doesn't that seem to make a bit more sense? It does to me any way.

On a personal ranting level I play as a duo with a friend of mine who is a Cra, for us it's just the most fun that way. Because of this we tend to use summons a bit more than your average player and for me in particular I've fallen in love with my Flying Sword. That baby has pulled my but out of the fire more than once...finsihed off the Wabbit Castle with that bad boy...and with this 10% unhealable damage it's going to be next to useless since now he wont be able to heal himself completely. Are there any other summons out there that heal themselves? If so I feel sorry for people who actually use them...the game just go a bit harder for us and for no reason.

Luckily for me my subscription runs out 7 days after the update so I'll have that week to screw around with my Sacrier and see what I can do....yeah yeah I already know it's going to end up 4 hours and then I'll be done with Dofus and moving on to another game.

Posted by: TehFrogpince 29 Mar 2009, 00:21

199Sac Bloodwalker (4%)
192Saddia Bloodypath
162Eni BloodyDreams
106 Osa Bloodroyal

I have been playing since before pandala

Posted by: medgix 29 Mar 2009, 00:37

Keep this flamefree please ^^;. There are alot of players that agree to these changes, they are not at fault for thinking that way. He was pittying you for not agreeing with this system, he doesnt like the fact that you feel you are getting screwed over. Ankama is at fault for rewriting 2 classes entirely and beeing completely ignorant towards their customers.

Posted by: xxxxjokerboyxxxx 29 Mar 2009, 03:27

i am another that will quit because of this update changes are ok but not changing everything as stated by youb







171iop 135 sac 126 eni

Posted by: aidenmbd 29 Mar 2009, 05:36

I am by no means an epic level player, I am a level 105 eni, but I havent played dofus for 3 moths(no comp) so ive only read about new challenges, 5 hea;th per level, and the 21st spells. The more health should make enis STRONGER, since now they wont be one hit koed at my lvel, and ill just heal up. whats the 10%unhealable health or whatever. and sac get more health, which is good, and fecas, so why are people saying that they are now useless. this may not be the best place to ask, but i started playing dofus 3 years ago, for amonthe stopped then for 2 years bee playing on and off, but a lot of tht time was deciding which class to play etc. So Ive been playing for 9 months , and averages time leveler, cause im leveling professions etc. But atm, i really want to level, so If dofus is really crap for epic level players, especially enis, I want to know(and please could someone explain it to me, not just say "yes". Thanks.

Posted by: medgix 29 Mar 2009, 05:50

I would like to refer you to theese forums but lets face it, the majority of players lurking around here are people not knowing much about the game.
Instead, as you are intrested in reading how this will effect players at higher levels you should read this:
http://www.impsvillage.com/forums/index.php?showforum=52

There you have the higher level / epic level players posting their own experiences with this upcoming update.

Posted by: solarblur 29 Mar 2009, 06:13

Nice post Medgix. Im usually the optimist, everyone thinks i look at things too optimistically. But for this update i cannot find too many good things on it. My last hope for changing this update was that 1.26 almost ruined feca's and they made some changes and now they are not too bad. Maybe everyone else will change this. My feca was a extremely low level 65. I felt a pang of remorse from having to start over (i've played since beta, but i took huge breaks in between) i can see the level 200's on the verge of a mental breakdown. Im starting over as an ecaflip, can't do too much about the update, im cutting off my subscribtion channel until this mess gets sorted our.

My friend list are cleaned out, My Guild: Knights of Amnaka is seeing the best of this update and i wish i could join them, but i am taking to hard of a hit (any of my guildmates reading this Im that feca that whines about the update 24/6 ). After looking at this for a few hours i seems i could go along with the update with only a medium-hit. Still nothing im proud of.

I can't go on with dofus, ill see through this update with the best of my ability but if we get a huge nerf like this again dofus is getting recycled off my computer. I've been through so many eras of dofus and I can only classify this as the Death Era.My friend list is now at least half cleaned out. My virtual wife has quit. I panged through the feca-killer era (though i did get some relief from the 8 turn duration), but this update is killing my patience i am on the verge of quitting dofus and another update with a big nerf will push be over the edge. My patience for dofus is already handing on a thread.

The heroic server will be mostly dead. Seeing as i am only level 65, ehm was, My opinon will not go very far. Amnaka has done the best it can, i've seen the purpose of every other update. The only reason i can see for this update is many people thinking classes are overpowerd. Now let me tell you this, Every class is overpowered if you do not have tatics. My 65 feca could be killed by almost every other class thats 15 levels below me. Would i whine? No, i see why, my potiential is not reached until level 70 and i didnt even have a staff at the time. To me every class was overpowered.


I will hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.



Putting my money on prepare for the worst.







,SolarBlur

Beta Player

Posted by: KA-Dofus 29 Mar 2009, 07:25

If you pulled your head from wherever you store it long enough to see some light you would know I was trying to address the Sacrier issue of being particularly affected by unrecoverable hit points long before one of if not THE most experienced Dofus players of all time... literally... begin to offer up his thoughts and comments related to this update.

Perhaps they weren't the best solutions on offer, but they sure beat the posts of empty negativity that you have brought forth, and the absolute nil effort I have seen you make in trying to offer solutions, being too busy I suppose in your self-admitted crusade to boost your post count to offer detailed suggestions of substance.

That youbutsu has many 200 level characters and is the leader of Blank doesn’t impress me. Running a large guild and having big numbers beside your name doesn’t cut it with me.

However, his posts on the forum are indicative of a person that is at least thoughtful and can present his positions well, and to be generally not given to making foolish remarks. On this forum, these are sadly remarkably rare qualities. He has also demonstrated an openness and understanding to the viewpoints of others, even those that do not match his own… another equally rare quality on this forum. That does impress me.

If youbutsu says something I feel to be absolutely ridiculous I will respond to it, just as I would respond to any other member of this forum. Given the history of his posts on other issues, I don’t expect to see him do so.

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 29 Mar 2009, 11:55

You and me both K.A., but I think my temper gets a little more frayed as this goes on. Maybe that's because it effects my class more. I have also been following all debates ect, even though haven't been commenting on them all. I guess I'm a little more brutal in my approach (just the way I am, its counter productive to my course, but meh).

I would like to think there will be a resolution for the classes getting hit with the nerf stick hard, but I doubt there will be.

I feel Like my class has fallen out of the nerf tree and hit every branch on the way down, and when at the bottom ankamma beat me with the nerf stick just so my class could pass ankammas "VISION" (lmao).

Although my debate /argument depending on who I respond too falls mainly on blind readers eyes. My attempts at presenting facts gets draw out with rage induced by this update. My main upset would be never being paired with fecca allies again (a lot of my in game friends where feccas, they already quit). Plus the fact end game content and decent leveling will become a thing of a past for me. Solo leveling being uber expensive and my resentment to the adaptability to the changes to the class I play being implausible. Ankamma have until the 7th to appease the masses of end game players otherwise I feel there will be a lot of us that walk.

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 29 Mar 2009, 12:39

(in regards to the emboldened) I would just like to say that the contract you agreed with ankamma when you started playing does not cover this restriction. It is a breach of there own terms of service and as such you are liable to sue. As it is a form of robbery, it is entirely up to you if ANY multiaccounters have the money or time to chase this matter. But you are being robbed and as such you have your legal rights to hold ankamma accountable! If you don't believe me get a copy of the terms of service (inside your client) and speak to a solicitor or lawyer. They will tell you the same.

Posted by: CollateralSeNSe 29 Mar 2009, 14:11

Lets Start by saying I don't like the drastic nature of the changes. One or 2 things at a time pls, give us time to adapt slowly instead of shooting characters in the head.

Two simple rules nearly all successful businesses follow.

K.I.S.S - Keep It Simple Stupid. The more complex you make the game the less people can focus on the things they really like. Change is good, but don't change the things that make the game what it is.


20/80 - 20% of the things you do, give you 80% of things you want. In business the general rule of thumb is that 20% of your product spread gives you 80% of your revenue. 20% of dofus is the reason we play it.

Change needs to conform to the attitudes of the people. Beta was the smartest thing amakna did. Now learn from your players.

Slow down the madness, and give the people the new content they have been asking for all these months/year. Don't reinvent your core business overnight, you will die.

Collateralsense

Posted by: quinne 29 Mar 2009, 15:30

I fully agree with you, youb.
I play in a group of 4 people (myself including) which all in all.. is over 10 accounts as we all have alts.
We have already stopped playing pretty much and rarely play as it is now - whats the point? wasting time on levelling our new alt to 100 if they are ruining everything that we loved about the game anyway.. I am led to believe atleast 3 or 4 further people in my guild are quitting.
Good job Ankama.

-suffokate

mine and my bf's characters:
191 sadida, 149 panda, 149 sram, 171 eni, 175 xelor, 9x eca
rest of group..
190 feca, 182 sac, 16x sram, 14x cra, 13x eni, 4x panda

Posted by: RikkiL 29 Mar 2009, 15:44

Well I have something we can talk about....

In my understanding BETA is for testing, re-assessing, trying stuff out and finding out what doesn't work etc..

BUT and its a f%$&#$g HUGE BUT

MODS and Smart Alecs like KA-Dofus say shit like 'Oh yes, but its only BETA it's 'not set in stone'... this is a blantant lie.

If that really was the case WHY IS IT PLASTERED AS 'NEWS' all over their Website.. your kidding yourself if they are going to listen to us and go back on their changes.

I haven't really been following up on Wakfu over the last 12 months, but I can't help thinking they want us old players to leave the game and move onto that.

I must admit myself and YouB haven't always seen eye to eye in the past, but I can relate to most of what he says and wish him luck in this 'campaign'. And wow even Hatsu is upset

Edit: I was unaware about the 5 Character Limit per IP - thumbs up for that! It sucks seeing a full group of 19xs hitting a perc together (eg. zoidbergs team played by whoever feels like it) or the Phil Collins Fan Club hitting bworker 50 times a day... although its too late for many single vs multi-clienting is an area that should have been addressed many years ago - it would seem the majority of players (even actively encouraged) have alts these days including me (1 Eni) and this has isolated people over time. When I first played Dofus I would ALWAYS be with 7 other players doing Blacksmith (for example) or fighting Dark Treechind .. times have changed so much.

This is what I would do.

1. Get new content out QUICK.
2. Yes, more challenges.
3. Yes, special spells and alignment quests.
4. Allow us to defend a perc whilst in a dungeon you are alienating 99% of the guilds who want to place percs.
5. Fergot about new gear, there is enough for all levels 1-200.
6. Fine, sort out AI.
7. Leave central systems like Dodge and MP/AP alone.
8. Nerf class spells which everyone knows are overpowered even the freaks who play these characters and abuse it, eg. Smooth Bramble (should be dodgeable), Sram Invisibility - the pet hate of every other class and Punishment.
9. Yes, I can live with the Uncurable Heals, but 10%!
10. The aim of the game is to collect all the Dofi, but you make it near impossible. Either increase the drop rates or even better have a system like eg. Take 120 Dragon Pig souls to NPC XYZ and receive the Dofus - a solid goal to aim for.
10. Admit you was wrong about Sacriers and stay the well away.

Posted by: killerfurby 29 Mar 2009, 17:35

dont forget, actually add the ALL the real dofuses to the game. like you said, the the aim of the game. yet after nearly 4 years only 4/6 are actually IN the game. seriously. what excuses can be given for that? that should have been number 1 on the 'to do' list when creating the game.

Posted by: -zeusek- 29 Mar 2009, 18:33

Yeah, and I think they should a little easier to acquire as well. I know such a change might piss off players who worked their asses off to get the Dofuses they have, but I think something needs to be done.

Posted by: killerfurby 29 Mar 2009, 18:47

well im never thought for one second id ever get one.

and if u think about it very few really worked there asses off. they just got lucky.

Posted by: Portfel 29 Mar 2009, 18:53

+1 killer for makeing off top ... i think its about kickins asses of high-level-hard-working-8-account-players not about how does prospecting works ^^

Posted by: KA-Dofus 29 Mar 2009, 19:10

You are the one making a blatant lie here RikkiL, though its nowhere near the fist time you have misrepresented my views.

I have never said that this update is 'not set in stone' or anything of the like. At least try to get your facts straight before throwing your accusations around, if even only to enjoy the novelty of it.

The overall plan of the developers for this update I believe not to be malleable. However, what may yet change is some of the details of that application, as those details "PLASTERED ALL OVER THE BOARDS" have undergone several changes in the test process, not always for the better.

If the right changes are made in the right way the outcome may yet be much more satisfactory then what can be anticipated from the current state of the modifications on test.

Posted by: KA-Dofus 29 Mar 2009, 20:09

Its understandable that your temper is getting frayed from this update, especially in light to the extensive modifications to your class, but also other elements of the change as well. I am not at all surprised by the strength of your expression.

For a brief time we were in the same guild, one that had a wide level disparity in the level of characters allowed within. I recall the passion you had for your Sacrier and I dare say pride. I could hear it in your voice as you spoke over vent, when discussing Sacrier builds and strategy with others of the class in the guild. I know of the extensive amount of work you put into your Sacrier, the clever strategies you had developed, many of which centered on the elements of the class now being torn from it.

It is no shock to me that what I see to be the passion that went into creating your Sacrier would be equally displayed in your efforts to try to defend the class from the sweeping changes to its very foundation being proposed in this update, and what appear to be ever closer to implementation.

Posted by: Sljm 29 Mar 2009, 22:20

Unwarranted outbursts aren't Youbutsu's style, so I think it's quite worth listening when he decides he has something to say.

Perhaps this is a simple matter of too much, too fast. I wish this update came with the assurance that this was the last drastic restructuring before the implementation of 2.0, and that 2.0 would be released in, say, June. But it didn't. These changes individually, with the exception of the Sacrier shuffling, aren't necessarily earth-shattering, but the sheer volume in this update is quite overwhelming.

I'm not one to judge such things before I can fully grasp the side-effects, but I can recognize how simply dumping an essay's worth of mechanics changes can frighten and shock players, especially ones who haven't been playing that long. I myself have been playing since 2006, and have watched and been the target of my share of changes, and I tried to re-learn how to play each time. I will say that it's easier now. Before Otomai's Island, one would have to create an entirely new character in order to change builds. Even so, epic level gear is extremely taxing to get and improve if necessary.

But the thing that is really bothering some of us isn't just the changes, it's that these changes keep coming, with no forecast as to when 2.0, and thus, new areas, monsters, crafts, and so forth ("content," if you will) are to be expected. I think the community is tired of the indefinite beta, and hungry for actual further expansion.

Posted by: festering-pit 29 Mar 2009, 23:04

What about this (weird?) opinion:
2.0 is a huge lie.
It was never really planned nor is it in development. The whole "2.0 will make everything better" babbling is only a fake.
Ankama just brought out a statement of 2.0 to calm down the existing players and as an apologise for not caring about the 1.x version enough anymore.
This sounds paranoid? Yes, maybe. But when you count 1 and 1 together (2.0 ist only a graphical update) vs. (2.0 will change the whole game style and mechanics) it seems as if Ankama themselves don't even know what they claim to work on and may sound a bit plausible, too.
In other words: Don't trust Ankama further than you could puke a Bowling ball without any problems.

[/paranoia]

Posted by: Sljm 29 Mar 2009, 23:08

So the beta 2.0 people played at the recent convention never happened, right?

It seems like lichen and the developers want to get the mechanics of Dofus pretty well straightened out before they code them into 2.0, to avoid over patching too early.

Posted by: ViolatorPL 30 Mar 2009, 05:41

Most of those "nerfs" that players are wining are not actualy nerfs. It's more like Ankama improves PvP by cost of PvM wich most players don't like including myself and I cind'a like PvP and I do it quite a lot even though im a Cra(p)
Sacriers are almost unbeatable in PvP now. I'm a cra and I could kill 199 sac in 1.26 but in 1.27 theres just no way I can kill even 180.. Same thing goes for eni and their MP Coney... Feca is a pain in the ass even more then he was same thing goes for agi Srams even though they are wining about invisibility that it works too short wich I disagrea cause it's enough for him to get closer.
Cra got that quite useless special spell and only cause of the LoS........ New lashing and para arrow that give satisfaction mainly to a str build Cra. Agi build also was improved no doubt even after immediately retreat arrow nerf (yea because cras always were so overpowered and thats why we are complaining over those past 3-4 years). Hell im an int build and I rather to have destructove arrow on level 6 then magic arrow because i can do better damage with it... (263 magic 330 destructive). And even though cra is the weakest class (everyone knows that) we also had nerfs... max 2x explo per turn, 1 lashing per player or 2 on level 6, para arrow nerf cause of new AP/MP dodge system, absorbtive that won't heal you if you kill smth and fight ends...
Xelors had so many nerfs that they probably had a relieve they didn't have any this time and that they got verry good spell.

Other things I like? Major arachnee is finally recastable, (I'm sitting and thinking like 10 min now and I still don't know what elce) dopples (those you can kill in temples), new challenges
What I thought that I will like? New maging system... The one from 2009-03-23~ when you actualy could repair your items...
What I don't like? Maging system that is now in 1.27.... Its far worse then the one in 1.26. Example? I lost AP to an amulet in first try magging 1 summon (Kralomansion - succes but fail) or later I lost AP maging with Sa Rune.... It's more like you have 25% chance that you will mag something. You mag 1Ch and you lose 2dmg at the same time... You mag that AP and you lose 2range I could tell more about it but its not the rite place to do it I gess.
I don't like that big amount of bugs and gliches... You move and "WTF I'm back were I was but my spell cast area is were I moved"
I dont like that PvP is getting improved at PvM's expense

Edit.:
Oh yeah AND I DON'T LIKE Vitality-Initiative!!!
On which planet a heavy armored tank is faster then F1 bolid? Franceopia?

Posted by: Die-Heretic 30 Mar 2009, 10:20

Honestly, I don't see what all the moaning and groaning is about...

So you're epic, level 200. What is there to do? Well... not much...

"We want something different, we want something fresh, and new. We want to see more additions to the game, new content, new strats to use and new ways to assemble teams."

You got it. Got your additions, new content, new methods of fighting. Character classes have been thoroughly examined and thought-through. Once over-powered classes or attacks/strats become redesigned, remastered. The class balance is still beautifully orchestrated and harmonizes perfectly in-game. Once unfair advantages become equal handicaps. Take the sword from the iop, and the wand from the eni, and give them both a redesigned host of spell effects that equal each class's power making fights more balanced, more tactical, and more fun.

So the eni's can't bust out infinite healing, the sacs can't grow to be unfathomably powerful, and your equipment roster may need a bit of an overhaul.

But seriously? What else do you have to do?

You're level 200, you don't have any levels to gain. You're already as strong as you will ever be, so why the complaining that the spells you're so bored with are getting a very well thought-out, very thoroughly designed update?

Seriously, I think you epics need to get over your rock-tossing auras and just trust Ankama with their new update. They're not idiots, they ARE listening to you, they owe you their salary on your very dedicated support. I honestly think that such a fat-cat company like Ankama with their 1.5 million + subscribers knows what they're doing. They are the ones who made it all happen in the first place, I think they know how their updates will affect the game that THEY designed specifically with YOUR best interest in mind.

It's been 4 years since they promised you a flashy update? Well lets look at some games that, should the fans not have been screaming, would have been great if the developers would have made the game exactly what they wanted it to be.

Halo 2 is a perfect example. Halo 2 is a shadow of what it was promised to be, and should have been, and they have their fanbase to thank for it. All the additions and updates Bungie promised their adoring fans had to be left for dead once they realized what riot would have ensued had they pushed the deadline any further.

If Ankama hasn't released your long-awaited content filler, I would only assume that the company itself wasn't satisfied with their own product, and personally I thank them for their patience.

I trust Ankama, I have full confidence that the updates and changes will go well according to plan and, given enough embrace from the community, will even be beneficial to those epics out there who are tearing out their hair over an update that they can't find the means to stomach.

Just an opinion...

Posted by: DOKAHII 30 Mar 2009, 10:48

Why all the complaints? I m sure not everyone in your guild left because of changes. People grow older too u know (and get other things to do). And I didn t know they allowed u to use 5 chars max (which already is too much in my opinion (guess ankama thinks it s good money)).

Ankama not adding new content isn t true too. I ve seen them add pandala and otomai island, didn t I? Which consisted out of many new monsters and equips.

This update is just going to be on something else: trying to balance classes (except a sram pvp nerf )

Posted by: jklsdhnlkjsdfh 30 Mar 2009, 10:50

DIE-HEREC +1

all level epic , take a easy, not cry -.-.is only game this update is rebalance the class , us need open the mind , adapting new experience with you characters, if you dont like, well, quittin and return to real life, or test other game , nobody is obligued to pay or yes?

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 30 Mar 2009, 11:42

Too the above three posts, I bet your below level 100. I also believe you haven't play tested the end game content, let alone been there in version 1.26. Go on post you levels, give us some input as to how to adapt our end game tactics so .....we can......ACTUALLY LEVEL AND ENJOY THE GAME! Not going to happen after this update. I do not wish to play a useless pvm character. That isn't just a complaint, THAT'S A COLD HARD FACT! After actually play testing end game stuff. I was subjective while testing, I spent hours trying to adapt in hard end game content. I tried many compositions to the team (ty those who helped). Guess what? It sucked, wasn't fun, cost more in consumerable goods like bread ect, took 5 times as long and we barely survived. Only reason we did was because the eca and iops are now overpowered.

Get some FACTS to back up your "Oh your just crying" Inflammatory posts. Because us end game players know what we are talking about. If you want your counter productive slur's to make this update go ahead more fool you when you hit epic level. There is no adaptation to these changes. If you tested it in end game content....YOU WOULD KNOW THAT!

EDIT: Nothing has been updated this morning, my class is still just as retarded as it was 5 days ago. Yeah they are really listening, yeah they really have out best interests in mind. If they did they would have left us well alone and given us some new BLOODY end game content!

Read page 3 and 4, nuff said!

http://translate.google.com.br/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.dofus.com%2Ffr%2Fle-carnet-de-bord-f2%2Fversion-beta-1-27-0-t234052.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8

Yeah they really listened to us! The dev's are clueless, they really are. *sarcasm*

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: jklsdhnlkjsdfh 30 Mar 2009, 12:11

well, 5 years of you life leve up one class... hurt, well i have character "EPIC LEVEL" i play 1.5 years of my life ... i see the first big chance , sadida, xelor, sram , much ppl say: "FUCK YOU ANKAMA, YOU RUIN MY LIFE NERF WISDOM XELOR" , other say ... "RUIN MY LIFE, SRAM NOW MAKE VISIBLE IN CLOSE COMBAT , WHILE THAT OTHER VERSION WITH DAGGER I AN ATTACK I CAN STILL INVISIBLE" . cmon is overpower ----> check the class---> some of case , need rebalance = ppl that use these class for years cry and better quit... (50% case) because have the mind close... but wait for the 1.27 official version, more later see that not is too bad, and not need cry for one stupidy of you mind

REMEMBER: nobody still force to play:P enjoy the game, not one job , only funny
if no like , well quit, and enjoy you life , do other think some sport o buy xbox or play3 and play with he online o try see you old friend, or girfriend much thing are important in this life

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 30 Mar 2009, 12:20

Yeah, you will be disapointed end game mate, pluss you didn't answer my question. What is your level? Did you even read my post? I don't think you did. You say that like i didn't play a xelor, I do, guess what? All it was was a range change. *sighs* This is the death of the sacrier and make no bones about it my little new pet forum troll. I will be going to the other game I play come the 7th if nothing changes for the BETTER. Yes I will quit and I am a man of my word and convictions!

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: jklsdhnlkjsdfh 30 Mar 2009, 12:34

3 character ... enutrof level 190... ecaflip 163... Cra 161... all time, i never take character overpower, because , someday rebalanced, is the rason because i cannot feel same that you, well i quit this game in sep 2007... but for one friend i check the page

Posted by: RaelCleapIVI 30 Mar 2009, 13:27

Yeah you speak of rebalance yet, ecas get buffed (again), Iops get extremely overpowered (again buffed), Osa's get overpowered, not just buffed, but really overpowered (I play an osa too). Yet enis get nerfed, Srams get nerfed, Sacriers get nerfed to unusable in pvm. So the characters that needed balancing as in nerfing got buffed and the characters that where fine got nerfed. The only exception to this was the osa, But now they are more overpowered than ever. Begging the question ankamma, do they understand there own game? they say they do these changes to speed up fights, to make the game more fun. Well popular opinion on this forum says otherwise on both accounts. Its long winded, tedious, costly and most of all certainly not fun!

You may tell me to quit if I am not enjoying this game as it stands anymore....well I say this in response,

I pay to play, have done for 3 years, I haven't yet completed the game or character. The community is a driving force for this quite frankly "boring" game. The community is what keeps us here and the idea of completing our characters(200, dofus we want). I payed for the privilege. I did not pay for the death of the community and the death of team play for my character, the sacrier, the groups tank. My character can no longer tank or do decent damage. Is useless end game.

I laugh at ankamma for turning away there most loyal customers, level 200's that still subscribe and play because of the people they enjoy paying with. They have completed the game, no new content for a year for them to do. Now they limit them on how many alts they can have to keep them occupied (5 account restriction), no new playable content for a year and now this. Its idiotic from a business point of view, its us the consumers that pass the word to play this game. Its us the players at the top that don't need convincing to play, we are/where loyal to the company until it betrayed us so. The many that will leave if this update goes through will also be counter productive to ankammas growth because......

Jimmy: "I've been thinking about a new mmo to play as a hobby frank. I heard of this game called dofus. You used to play dofus didn't you frank? What's it like as a game?"

Frank: "Yes! Don't bother playing, they will ruin your character without notice and the end game content is dull and next to impossible now. But if you do play, play an eca, iop or panda. The other characters are now $%%£$! The pvp is unbalanced and the fights are long winded and dull."

Jimmy: "Oh I see, what level where you? How long did it take to level?"

Frank: "3 years mate, and I was level 200. Will take longer thanks to the continuous nerfs! You are better off going to world of warcraft or ragnarock. There better games as a whole and don't give negative experiences after a few years of loyal play."

Jimmy: "I see, guess I'll try world of warcraft then."

Frank: "Yeah its awesome man, so much to do I play this..........


Catch my drift? I have also been doing what the starter of this post has started doing, you see I know a few friends/programmers on the wow team and also as such have access to people who do magazines and write ups online. I will be forwarding my complaints to them. The wow programmers would love nothing better to pass on negative press about this game and have it published, it will generate more players to pay there paycheck. IIf the death of the sacrier comes, I intent to hit ankamma hard, where it hurts, in the wallet! If all of us take this stand well it will hopefully slap there arrogant faces into realizing that the famous phrase "The customer is always right" is right and start treating us with a little respect. There so out of touch with there own game, I blame the money, because when ankamma was a smaller company it tried harder and delivered. Now it thinks its bigger than its boots. It needs to learn the mass of customers won't take this, specially when they have payed to have there game play ruined! Not balanced, RUINED!

NUFF SAID!

RaelCleap 19X R.I.P. sacrier on 28/3/09

Posted by: DantoDesKardes 30 Mar 2009, 14:18

at first...sry for my english...thx x.x

i can feel along with everybody here...because i'm think the same way...
these nerfs hitting us hard...very hard..

ankama itself seems to refuse creating some new areas or some new plots (quests )...
they just keep coming up with "class balancing"...

hell man...keep working on:

- creating new areas
- fixing bugs
- creating quests/plots
- DOFUS 2.0 ( " the most agonizing lie of ankama? " - statement from a ig friend )

why changing/fixing something where no change/fix is needed?
i can tell ya...i wont quit...because some of my friends will stay with me....but some of them allready decide to go...and i'll grieve about them...

So Long
Rebom ( from the german server nehra )
lvl 200er Xelor, 19X panda, 19X eni, 19X crâ ....

one add:
seems that no communitymanager really read this threat...because never read a post of them here....bad man...very bad man..

Posted by: festering-pit 30 Mar 2009, 14:59

Wish you could submit our thoughts to the german players, too.
But there are too many blue eyed, obviously stupid and uninformed kids there (Not to mention these incompetent mods like jooh).
I tried several times to speak out how bad Ankama's work is with some issues (bugfixes, development, caring about your community, and finally 1.27...).
It is horrible to see how naive most of the german players are. Seems as if they could see to their glasses only and don't think about what is coming.

/edit:
"- DOFUS 2.0 ( " the most agonizing lie of ankama? " - statement from a ig friend )" - brother in thoughts <3

Posted by: fainedeath 30 Mar 2009, 17:09

The next big update we were expecting to get after 1.5 years was supposed to be an explosion in New Content, not a restructuring of the game. We are disappointed that after all this time the best they could do was come up with “odd” class spells and destroy the way certain classes are played. The developers have already proven they can disable class spells in fights such as Skeunk, Kralove, Pandikaze Dungeon. And make it next to impossible for the all powerful sacrier class from being able to buff itself in Kimbo or Skeunk properly at the start of the fight so that the challenge of the “stage” itself has to be completed before the monotony of buffing and attacking can begin. I should add that these dungeons can just as easily be done without a sacrier at all. The higher levels who have done these dungeons know what I am talking about so to the rest please consider what you are going to say before you type it. The single reason for why sacriers are what they are today is because the Developers made them so. As youb pointed out, the potential of a sacrier’s abilities came into view when the Ghost mobs were introduced. These fights are still extremely hard to do without the current verion of the sacrier. I could go on about this but I have more to say.

The developers have also proven that the Eniripsa’s healing ability can be negated with the use of minus heals in dungeons like Ougaad. With some effort, the ankama team, if they ever choose to add more content, could easily limit the capacity of the concerning classes so that the changes they want to implement now would be unnecessary.

This leads me to think more and more about the monsters. Why not just give the monsters an overhaul instead of the classes. There are only a few high level dungeons so this wouldn’t exactly be a lot of work. Make the dungeons and even normal monsters harder to do if you actually want the game to be a challenge instead of ruining the characters. This would inflict minimal impact on the players yet giving them the benefit of fighting more challenging monsters.
The point of any game is to gain experience, gain power, and progress to higher levels of content. These three things I believe are at the top of any game. Ankama however, is seriously screwed in the head. Their logic is flawed beyond comparison. Saying that felt oh so good…

They have said these changes will make the fights faster and less dependent on the sacrier class but I do not see how that is at all possible. Any higher level who has beaten “all” the monsters including dungeons can tell you this update will do no such thing. They made the sacrier class as it is in 1.26 to make the fights faster, that was the single most important reason for having a sacrier in group when the ghosts were introduced. I doubt the ghost mobs will get any easier or faster after the update. The mindless grinding you have to do to achieve 200 “faster” requires a sacrier in the group. Any other way will in fact take “longer” no matter how uber the changes on other classes have become now…

While writing this post I have also come to a new realization. Reaching 200 is now supposed to be the end game not the start of another adventure. In any other online game like World of Warcraft and Everquest you get to do the most interesting things after you have reached the highest level. In dofus the new end game might as well be whatever level you complete all the dungeons at because you are not getting anything new for a long time… It now makes sense that they would want to boost the lower levels up and eliminate the possibility of doing things faster with a sacrier because it will inevitably take longer to reach 200. They have given attention to PvP so that more people focus on it and the game automatically becomes longer. I believe their new goal is that 200 seems impossible to reach so that before they have to add more content, old players have had enough with the game and feel like quitting.

The worst part is all the lower levels and even a few higher levels buying into their new update. All I have to say is that you guys wait around until you get screwed up in one of their future updates because their “fixing” is never ending.

P.S. I was able to log 8 accounts last week. I was able to log up to 5 accounts yesterday. I can now log up to 4 accounts today.

/miamist

Posted by: meatraw 30 Mar 2009, 17:23

xd... couple of posts deleted just as mine follow up

anyway

latest change to flying sword - ankama realizing that they made sacs lil bit too good for pvp so now they are nerfing that by nerfing flying sword. In line with what they are doing - destroying what this class used to be. They made changes effectively making sacs useless in PvM (just take another char instead seriously - sac wont be hitting and there are better support chars than a sac). They made sacs better for one on one PvP.

THEY MEAN THIS FOR REAL. They want us to PvP more - hence all the changes to what alignments mean and really most if not all class spells changes are PvP oriented somehow with unneeded implications to PvM. They got many things wrong in the past (alignment bonuses, making sacs killing machines in a team) now they are fixing all they did wrong in one HUGE update. And they want us to symphatize with them and probably see things in broader view. Eventhough I am not long subscribed...only a year...I have my own view of ankamas credibility when it comes to promises. No need to repeat them.

Its lame lame lame. To me the issue of nerfing sacs in PvM (NO ITS NOT MAKING THEM MORE TACTICAL, tactical will be to keep sac in astrub) is important But what really matters to me is where is this game going. Is it going to be more PvP? Is that what they want? Honestly, long-term its an interesting idea. Done really really late though and should have been thought of much sooner. I mean what did they think - that by giving alignment bonuses - people who dont give a care about PvP would stay neutral? they even forced us to go aligned - bonuses and alignment only areas.

They made insane high HP bosses - and they gave us insane high vit equip. They taught us to simple tactics how to tackle with insane bosses. Now they making these tactics harder to execute. There are no other tactics. Even with less HP on bosses I dont see the point of a change. Ok now maybe we wont go and lock that boss, we will AP/MP rape it. Wow, i am thrilled. Next time I do soft oak i do it from range...it will take same time if they reduce its HP. Wow wow wow - how much more interesting. This will really keep me entertained.

Why do you need to nerf some classes abilities to try to make people (especially not end game levels) use different tactics? Why not rather buff other classes??? Too hard to think of a way?

Ankama live with it. You are not adding content. You are trying to force new rules to MOSTLY PVM interested community - thats all - i dont necessarily hate changes in this way if I can stick to whats important to me - but in that regard you are not doing anything for me just making my experience of the game more painful. Most of us - and I do stand behind this claim - still keep playing since we:
- are addicted and for some reason trying to achieve goals such as perfect end game equips
- have friends to hang out with on endless exp/drops grinding sessions
- have fun even doing little bit of PvP

Many of us even worked hard to have what we have now. And would hate loosing it because you ANKAMA think the game will be better. Hardly without new content, things to do, new equipment ideas to explore. You can make alignment war interesting without nerfing classes in PvM. Ok bring new rules to alignment. Why you need to screw my chars also?

Nuff said. i will try to "adapt" with my sacrier and my feca, but was it really necessary?

No, I do not think so.

Posted by: meatraw 30 Mar 2009, 17:28

Cant agree anymore. Ankama has ways how to make even nowadays CONTENT more challenging. But its not what they care about apparently. They do not seem to care about content. tehy giving us - hey guys go all PvP treatment.

Posted by: Silentgeno 30 Mar 2009, 17:29

Actually it was the enus pp spell that most people complained about and it was replaced with mound the wierd aoe str spell.

Posted by: medgix 30 Mar 2009, 17:45

Love you miam, this post was 100% perfect.

I've decided to stop posting my own development regarding my fight against Ankama at their own forums. Obviously it will end up deleted sooner or later and the whole purpose of this topic will get destroyed. 50 people complaining here wont matter to Ankama, they delete this topic and the 50 of us quit. Big deal, they'll get another 50 people. Therefor I've decided to continue my fight at impsvillage where we really can speak our minds.
I will still post responses here, but no updates on my initial post.

Feel free to read my topic here:

http://www.impsvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80266

Posted by: KKyle 30 Mar 2009, 17:52

i am with you i have only been playing for 6 months and i keep reseting but i am with you because i know that all updates should not be made for the new people of dofus but also for high lvls and members who actually stuck by the comapnies side so yes i do agree that you should be given updates

Posted by: KKyle 30 Mar 2009, 17:59

instead of changeing characters that allready exsist why dont they just make new characters?

Posted by: wobblygod 30 Mar 2009, 18:29

I've been playing dofus off and on from about 6 months after the beta ended, mid 2006 I believe (I've never had the greatest memory) and I'm honestly sad to see all the high level friends I made over the years quit because of this one update. Quinne (Suffokate) helped me get my first 60. I was in Knights of Fortune with RikkiL before he made TDH. I've always dreamed of getting high enough to possibly have the slightest chance of being accepted to join Blank with the likes of YouB and Rambo.

I recently (within the last month) finally broke my streak of HORRIBLE luck and managed to get my feca to level 117, I was so proud, I stuck through the terrible times, made myself a kryst o'ball 80% fire forged on the first try when the fire potions were around 500kk, I got myself a nigh perfect Marie Aigue's Staff AGAIN 80% fire forged on the first try. I then made an eni alt, I figured I would save some bread from reducing all the damage and healing the small amounts I took, it was quite the money saver for me really. I tried maging more extensively at this point (Unreal wand) and with the 1.26 system for maging, I've tried 26 times on 5 separate wands to create an 80% forge and still have yet to succeed, truly disheartening.

After playing the 1.27 test server for the last week or so, I can effectively say that I'll either be quitting dofus, or moving to a new server with a friend I made from the test server in the hopes she would help me start up one of the currently untouched classes (Agi panda or something similar) so I could MAYBE break that new barrier of mine and get to the 120+ range. The 1.27 patch has effectively killed fecas. I much preferred having 7xx hp and losing 200 in a royal blop fight than having 11xx hp and losing 900 in the same fight with modified tactics to adapt to the changes brought to the class (including buying a ton of spell scrolls with the provided 500kk to max out all shields, truce, immunity, spell rebound).

So now, because someone (God only knows who) complained fecas were overpowered in PvP because we could dish out a low-moderate damage in PvP whilst taking perhaps 50% less than other classes, our primary skills and attacks were changed?

The most surprisingly STUPID change is how the new burning glyph mechanic works, 110% on the center square with 10% less with every outward square... How exactly are we supposed to get someone on the center square if the spell has to be cast on an empty tile? This would involve a set with around 12 AP, 4 for teleport at Lvl 6, 3 for BG, and 5 for level 1 release to move them the one square.

I can totally emphasize with everything Rael has said about Sacs. One of the first characters I tried was a sacrier and I loved it to bits until I found out that they truly did cost the most money out of any class to bring out their most efficient numbers in health, damage and fight control. I've tried every class at least once (with the exception of pandas, they never did truly appeal to me until lately) although not to the extent most of the epic level players have, I've made over 30 accounts (literally) filled up every single one, multi-boxed, soloed. I've tried everything to the extent my patience has allowed.

I 100% support YouB and Rael in their efforts to have the majority of changes proposed for 1.27 removed or seriously revised to avoid the complete destruction of most, if not all classes save for the iop and the eca.

Posted by: killerfurby 30 Mar 2009, 21:49

rael just to point out, to officially complete the game u need the 6 real dofuses. that is the aim of the game. thats the story of the game. yet still after 4 years only 4/6 are actually in the game.

just saying...

Posted by: killerfurby 30 Mar 2009, 21:53

hmm a post above just made me realize. are they constantly nerfing classes because of idiotic school kids dont have the brains or the patience to beat certain people. so all they do is complain and complain till ankama stupid thinks the kids are right?

Posted by: doofusdiddy 30 Mar 2009, 22:39

I started when i was 10, like 2.5 yrs ago. When my cousin first showed me this game, I couldn't stop playing. Now, I am 13 and wish i could stop playing, but I can't stand to leave a game that once defined me as a person. I'm only a 124 Xelor, but I know more about that game than a good 99.9% of the dofus community. One of the biggest thing i know is that this is not the game I fell in love with as a little kid. I need a little pizzaz in this game, something that is going to make me smile and say, "I feel at home again." This update is nothing compared to the game before.

If it were not for the challenge update I would not be speaking to you people today. Dofus is rich enough, add stuff for the people, not for yourself. Don't let one of the best games in the world die out when it should be getting to the top, past WOW and other games. If dofus doesn't act, I'm joining Youbustu and all of the other 100's, if not 1000's, that are quitting daily. I don't blame anyone who wishes to quit, their not stupid, their smart. If Dofus crashes, my life will be pretty much blank, until I find something else to occupy my time. Don't do that to us, be generous and karma will repay you I promise ^^.

BTW anyone who post after me, don't be afraid to speak dirty about Ankama. Not a single mod has posted here, because they are scared to lose 1XXXX people who will leave if this forum is not adressed to. I don't want to leave, but I will if it's a step we must take. Youb I salute you, continue your work, and relax, they won't ban the leader of Blank unless you do something illegal.

Posted by: GrindcoreFTW 31 Mar 2009, 04:14

You new comers don't understand. I know Youb has been playing this game since beta and I have been playing it since April 2006 (6 months after beta). You guys just don't know the game like us old timers. How it use to be and now this completely changes everything about the game. It is like playing a completely different game with the same graphics. We enjoy Dofus, not this different Dofus. Coinciding with the elections in the U.S. I am sick and tired of "change" especially when it is not needed.

Look at other MMO's where you don't even have to pay for anything and they still have new content coming out. Dofus isn't a card came. We don't need to reshuffle everything and then slap a new content sticker on it when really all it does it change the mechanics of the game. Like taking a gas running car and making it run on electricity. It is still the same old boring car you have had for years but it just runs different.

Give us new content. You said the Ice Continent would be out in like 2008 and I am not seeing it. Also what about Dofus 2.0? And Wakfu sucks and you are worried about that more than Dofus.

Whatever Ankama, why can't you listen to the majority of the players instead of doing what you want to do? Cause you obviously don't play this game devs otherwise you would see all the flaws.

Go Youb.

Posted by: Killer-Katnip 31 Mar 2009, 05:49

Hello, I may not be in the range of levels that would be epic, I’m only a level 100 eca and I only have this one character but I have been playing (daily) since early 2007, but I would like to give my opinion on why you guys are getting screwed.

First you have to remember Amakana is a business, so they have to make a profit, epic level characters are much rarer than that the noob running around killing blops or the level 40 sitting in Astrub. So to make a profit they try and get the noobish masses to subscribe by releasing content (or what looks like new content, they can’t tell because they are new) that directly effects them, that makes the game much more interesting to them causing more people to pay money to have a better experience. Also they let out stuff to appeal to people my level with all the crazy stuff they are doing to pvp.

But yes like most people have said, why do we play the game? To become more powerful so we can do more stuff and have more fun, but what I have seen from this tread (and others) is that the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow may be not all it is cracked up to be, I won't talk more about what they should do to make high lvls better or more interesting because I am not one of them and my number of friends above 15x is at a big fat zero. On top of that my main source of boredom from this game is all the leveling I do alone on the same monsters and having no friends or guildies online, which is probably much different from yours.

Amakana wants money to stay in business, so they market to noobs, but you are the people noobs look up to and want to be, so I doubt you can be ignored forever for that reason along with loyalty and that they would be falsely advertising 2.0 and everything else. If you want, call me a noob or whatever you like, this is just another opinion.

Posted by: dudebearpig 31 Mar 2009, 07:30

I agree with the original poster, i will probably quit this game. I like PvM more than PvP and it seems that Ankama is only interested in PvP because it amuses noobs without the need for expending any money on additional content.

Posted by: Gambling-Cat 31 Mar 2009, 08:38

This is dofus times are changing but so is the game play of this game
im not against the post but its always worth trying to adapt

Posted by: killerfurby 31 Mar 2009, 08:45

we are trying. thats why we have beta. but the majority of us (including the other forums) simply do not agree with these changes.

like stated on the post above yours they are trying to force people to pvp more. which is wrong. how many other mmos do that? none

Posted by: BushFire 31 Mar 2009, 11:07

like it makes a differance. this update will go right ahead. when has ankamma ever listened/read our forum. when have they ever listened when the negative point of view went against there "VISION". Never that's when. This update marks the death of 3 classes and the death of team tactics.

I expect to be modded for speaking out against ankamma. its a common trend on these forums.

Posted by: FlyingMonky 31 Mar 2009, 12:10

I agree. Rael was right! This update marks the death of the sacrier. Screw ankamma, I will not be resubbing.

Posted by: Zulaca 31 Mar 2009, 14:08

I havent been reading 1.27 changes for a while as it depresses me alot and not good for the spots on my face.

When 1.27 announced i went to test sever with great excitement and got shocked when i see what they have done to my beloved sacrier. It was so bad that i knew there was no way out even with a little tweak there little tweak here. There was a huge smelly bullshit infront of me and even with modifications best possibility that it would become was a "poo". I knew that i would not have my sacrier ever again.

Will not whine here but instead will try to give another perception to all those "adapt or quitters".

How can u be so sure that guys in Ankama knows what they are doing?

- They are not famous of keeping their promises (ice continent, 2.0 and such)
- They are not famous with their stability (removing 5 acc limit and putting it back few days later, changing whole game mechanics after 4 years)
- They are not good at customer relations (have u ever tried to send a ticket? Even being able to send it is a big issue, they dont even bother to translate stuff for us)

and most important of all is:

They decided to change WHOLE game mechanics and announced it only 25 days ago before the update. Even some homeworks at primary school takes longer to prepare.

Since they announce the update they changed stuff countless times. They didnt give enough time to Beta and now there is only a week till update and new version will be released as crippled as it is. They didnt bother to get enough feed back for such a huge change.

Would some company who knows what they are doing would act that way?

I bet they will keep changing things every week but i am so fucking tired of trying to follow them....

Posted by: AnurienaI 31 Mar 2009, 15:04

I agree with many of the complaints and often but I wouldn't start crying and screamig before I've tried this update myself.
So I'll see you all in a few weeks and we can chat about it.

What I don't understand is... the restrictions.
I am Italian but I live in England. Of course my account and the address I registered it with are english but... I travel and a lot.

If I pay for one year subscription, and I go back home to visit my family in Italy for my usual summer month, I am basically throwing my money in the trash bin.
If I want to let my sister or cousin or even my grandma log my account, I can't.
It is recommended by Ankama to never share your informations, but what I do with MY informations is MY business.
Soon to be a Dofus player, you'll have to stick your bum onto a chair and move your wholelife inside the same apartment.

When I subscribed and payed for my accounts, I read nowhere I'd be not able to log into them if not from the country where I have my residence.
I spoke to a lawyer and, alright I know this sounds geeky but I was curious, well basically we are being stepped over big time.
Ankama needs to talk to us. They might not give a damn about all the "I'm quitting's" but I'm sure they'd care if by law they'd be obliged to refund many of us.

I tried to send a ticket through the official way but I can't seem to chose the right category, then the right section, then click the right whatever!!!!
Is there anywhere I can actually add my complaint to? In an official way. I think it's ridiculous I cannot access my own characters just because I'm on a trip.
Or a Moderator I can talk to...

Posted by: meatraw 31 Mar 2009, 15:16

If they even bother to reply to you, assuming you suceed to post a ticket...haha - they will say that they are making changes with respect to a community as a whole, even if it means hurting some people in particular cases. Post about restrictions based on country where you log from are here on this forum with FINALLY some official words handed out in ENGLISH - remarkable.

This particular country limit system should be part of a battle against bots. Ankama likes to put out from time to time numbers of bots they banned impressing us with 7 digit numbers of bots being banned. Whoa! Good job. Now I guess if I bother to find some site which compares and tracks prices of kamas in real money I should see some increase? Well I bothered and guess what - kamas arent getting more expensive. There is a site which tracks this stuff, I am not gonna advertise it here.

And as a person who does set percs in Astrub f2p areas on bot maps - I can tell - whatever Ankama does, works for very short time.

So the final outcome is - less comfort for us - paying customers.

Posted by: RabidDove 31 Mar 2009, 15:21

When will Ankama be soft-capping Srams stats at 5:1 starting from 0 (with the exception of INT), taking away our daggers and giving us base 1MP?

Posted by: NULLTheHunted 31 Mar 2009, 15:38

While I am just as upset as most people over the major restructuring of classes and lack of new content. It appears as if Ankama has been listening to some extent. Here are some recent changes to the beta taken from the forum.

The tackle system has been revised so that dodge becomes impossible if one has significantly higher agility than their opponent.
Sacriers now receive 1 initiative per 8 HP while all other classes receive 1 initiative per 4 HP.
New alignment orders have been introduced which will probably be a source of minor amusement.
Maging *seems* to have been modified to the point where it seems practical again to mage something in the beta.

However, despite Ankama's efforts to listen, it appears that many of the game changing class modifications will go through. Ankama insists that the changes are being made for the sake of increasing our reliance on team game-play. I'm actually inclined to believe them. Because the fact remains that these updates will leave many classes severely disadvantaged in Solo fights or in PVP.

And I *would* beleive them if it weren't for the fact that they Reduced immunity to 1 turn and made it impossible to constantly stay shielded, impairing the ablities of the class who's job it is to shield. I see only 2 possible answers for this. Either they made these changes to *further* weaken certain classes in PVP, or they made these changes to encourage 1 class to occasionally take over another classes job.

If the answer is the former, then I think its a terrible mistake on Ankamas' part. Since it not only does little to balance PVP, but it weakens classes in PVM
as well. If the answer is the latter, I still thing its a bad idea. The *very* reason I like Dofus so much is because of the *clearly defined* purpose of each class.

Either way, It is my opinion that while some of the updates are good, several are harmful, and *most* are unnecessary. As far as I can tell, my Feca has been crippled to the point where it is no longer a valuable as the defensive class which it was meant to be. We've been effectively reduced to a class that is almost fully dependant on it's weapon and happens to have some long range attack spells that deal moderate damage. And although I don't know much about the changes to the sacrier, it appears as if their value as a stalwart tank has been diminished.

In conclusion, I beleive that Ankama is lacking a clear set of goals and effective organization. It's not that they can't hear anything, but that there are too many voices. Both coming from inside and outside of their company. For the sake of Dofus, and it's entire community, I pray that they regain sight of their foundation, regain their source of creative inspiration, and once again take the reigns as they did when they first created this wonderful game.

/Guardian-Eagle 12x Feca (Retired)

Posted by: eotkodekff 31 Mar 2009, 17:19

Im taking a brake from dofus for some time, once dofus 2.0 comes out I will consider coming back. (read from some site that it would come in May 2009, but well wouldnt be the first time Ankama didnt stick to their deadlines)

8 accs retired ~ (all high-epic level)

Posted by: killerfurby 31 Mar 2009, 18:17

do NOT even get me started on the ticket system for the english speaking community. if u ever get a reply then well done.

ive said this on another post. i once sent in a ticket from this account and for the same problem i sent in another ticket from a different account but translated it into french. needless to say who got the reply.

french one got a reply the next day (bout 6 hours later) im yet to receive a reply from this account. this was nearly 2 years ago

Posted by: ViolatorPL 31 Mar 2009, 18:21

I think I'll be another person who will quit this fu^%ing retard game...
They changing everything even what was fine...
Chafer level 6 was grate. 3AP and 6 range. Arachnee: 4AP over 1000HP and finally recastable.
Now.: Chafer 4AP 2range Arachnee 5AP 600HP~............
why the fu%k they changed that?! NOw its more like useless specialy with 8AP build.....

I thought this update will be not bad maby even good even thgh MAGING IS A PIECE OF cr@p...

3 account less for ancama and to think i was planing 3 new.... So basicly 6 account less ....

Posted by: killerfurby 31 Mar 2009, 18:25

they made arachnee recastable? i never noticed that? whats the cooldown

Posted by: Eindhovensemafkees 31 Mar 2009, 18:52

agree with you youb
i started 6 march 06, thats more than 3 years ago, we deserve more by this time already
zoom out of the map. all that free space... EPIC island please. with the size of the rest of the world!

Signed -
legend-J 199 eca

Posted by: ViolatorPL 31 Mar 2009, 19:29

6 turns levle 6...
Those 2 spells were perfrct specialy cause chafer attack hes team mates. IF arachnee would have lets say 20-25% res on all elements the SURE 600HP but it have like -15% on air for example.................. AND IT HAVE 4 FUC$ING MP!!
Why the fu$k anyone would level that spell now..... Why they have to ruin this game?
Why they can't make something usefull like making more events, monsters, lands.....
I know a game with all area with free access look better then dofus and there are events like every week....

Live Arachnee and Chafer alone and focus on something more creative. Hire some architects and make some new lands insted retard developers that whant to destroy this game

Osamodas - 1.26: overpowered; 1.27: even more overpowered
Xelors - 1.26: good; 1.27: better with class spell
Eni - 1.26: overpowered; 1.27: even more overpowered but in PvP
Sacrier - 1.26: strong; 1.27: weak in PvM overpowered in PvP
Sram - 1.26: strong; 1.27: stronger
Panda - 1.26 I love str panda and they are hax; 1.27: more hax with new spell
Enu - 1.26: decent; 1.27: decent
Cra - 1.26: weak; 1.27: stronger but still weak (take off LoS from special spell)
Sadidas - 1.26: good; 1.27: better with that hax new tree
Iop - 1.26: strong; 1.27: stil string and new broke was a grate idea and it works well with them
Ecaflip - 1.26: verry strong; Better balanced - rekop is ttronger but luck was nerfed
Feca - 1.26: anoying and a bit unbalanced; 1.27 - balanced with more tactical play

I didn't see that anyone was wining about "OMG arachnee and chafer is overpowered" SPECIALY CAUSE IT HAVE 1/60 FUC$ING CRITICAL HIT RATE !
They were finally worth levleling but you are trying to kill this game and you know what? You're good at it. Soon only 5 year olds will play this game and you know what? THEY DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN PLAY IT
Tell me how many poeple have that spell on 1/2? Even players with 20CH turq might not have that on 1/2 maby on 1/5 or 1/6.... It's not Like on regular server people have 1/2 Boomerang like on test....

And you know what? After I quit I might sell everything on eBay to get my money back even though I don't have an account there and im againts that specialy cause its againts the game rules. But NOW its NOT that game that i accepted those rules cause you made a diferent game from it. Yon cant change contract AFTER SIGNING AN AGREEMENT YOU DON'T CHANGE IT. I was playing diferent game so i whont have any uneasy conscience why should I? Its not the same game. And you cant ban me at least not for now cause I didn't do anything wrong. I'm clean as tear.
I don't whant to do that cause I love this game and its one of my favorites after Pro Evolution Soccer, Final Fantasy...

Stop nerfing and start making weak chars/things stronger its way better and there will be A LOT LESS complains...

Posted by: rossiscooler 31 Mar 2009, 19:33

are you ranting because they changed arachnee? o.0
lol

what i dont get is

why is amkama trying to speed the game up for lower levels?

why do they want them to level fast and reach the lack of epic content? (bit random, was discussed a few posts back)

Posted by: Scorpion-owner 31 Mar 2009, 19:42

Because low lvls can choose to not pay, so the faster they go through all that, the faster they'll subscribe, and it makes their game more enjoyable, therefore they'll like this game more, and have a better chance to subscribe.... Maybe?

Posted by: Ain 31 Mar 2009, 19:49

I have play dofus three years ago and just got back in to see changes made to the game. been playing for just a week now and I can see that they made a lot of changes to characters, but no really update or content of any kind is added.
I use to play an Osamodas. I thought it was great. I pick it back up again since I got back, but Osamodas has change a lot over the years. I feel like I am playing something new. So I make a new character. I pick an Sacrier without knowing there will be such a big change to this character. I believe Sacrier are great character, but I am not so sure when the update comes. I don't think I be playing dofus much longer after my one month p2p ends.
I might as well just wait another few years and come back and see what else have they decided to kill off to make it harder on players another than trying to add new content.

Posted by: lazaustin 31 Mar 2009, 20:07

I must say this thread is a real eye-opener for me. I feel so small with only a lv14x iop and three lesser characters to preserve and develop.

It does kind of validate something I decided on very early though, i.e. to manage my characters as a group so I always have options when a nerf comes along.

Best of luck to all of you. I'll be staying and adapting, but I sure CAN understand the frustration some of you express here.

Posted by: ViolatorPL 31 Mar 2009, 20:13

oh yea hahaha and they reduced theit profits by makin IP limit. Gess they don't like to get more money. The good news is that at least fiew developers should lose their jobs cause if 1 month p2p is 7 euros and there lots of players with 8 accounts (lets say 1000 but that number is way higher in my opinion). That mean 3x7x1000=21.000/month 21.000x12=252.000 euros/year just on 1000 players that have 8 accounts. Looks like they whana go bankrupt

Whats even more funny is that theres an internet operator that calls "Neostrada TP". This operator gives 1 IP to whole neighbourhood

Support is useless too they should really work on it. Long ago it was way better then it is now....

Edit.:
Btw where are the rest of the REAL Dofuses? I though its the main reson of this gave since even a title is "dofus" and you see all the real Dofuses on loging screen. Where are those eggs? Almost 4 years and this gave is still in beta and unfinished.

bye-bye dofus

198cra 195 enu 185xel (planed: 3 more - osa, iop, eni)

Edit.:
Oh yea I rather to delete my chars cause if i sell them someone elce might make them p2p which mean Ankama will get the money for that p2p and I whont allow that

Posted by: medgix 31 Mar 2009, 21:05

Please, stop going off topic and keep to the subject. Don't destroy the purpose of this topic ^^.

Posted by: [MOD]Wish 31 Mar 2009, 21:58

Removed an insulting post. Many thanks to the players who reported rather than responding in kind!

Please continue.

-Wish

Posted by: medgix 1 Apr 2009, 01:43

And thank you Wish who kindly responded to the reports so fast!

Posted by: Crutch 1 Apr 2009, 02:43

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but you're saying that you want new challenges and content in this game.

That's what they're giving us through this update. But the lot of us don't like it because it's different?

We're saying we want new content, but we don't want to have to re-equip the characters we already have. Because we'd have to do that anyway if new content was released along with the update.

We want more of a challenge for epic-level characters. But we don't want our characters to have to change at all in order to get this new challenge?

Honestly, Dofus is probably one of the easiest games I've ever played. If the changes they are implementing are going to raise the difficulty quotient, I'm all for them. In fact, change more spells.

Make coins 1-3 range, linear with 2-4 damage. I'll still rip a monster's face open to steal his eyes. And then I'll make a ring out of them. It will be tough, but I'll find a way and show Ankama that they can take our spells, but they'll never take our wits.

If the changes they make mean my friends or myself will have to re-equip ourselves, I'll be there in the dungeons and arenas helping them. People without a purpose right now will have something to do besides staring at the rocks and trees surrounding their zaaps.

Oh no! We won't just stand around and watch Sacs play stab the monkey while none of us are in any danger because we have an Eni and a Feca in our group. We're going to have to be smarter than the current tactic of "Hit XXX until it dies," which admittedly doesn't apply to *every* monster, but enough that make every dungeon a lesson in firepower over brainpower.

I'm excited for the update. Really, really excited. I can't wait to see how the group dynamic changes, I can't wait to die in the last room of a dungeon again (which I haven't in about two years). I can't wait for the frustration to return to this, the easiest of all games.

That being said, I realize that some of these changes sound like things that are becoming different just for the sake of it. But also, I recognize that I don't know everything about this game. There's probably a decent reason for most, if not all, of these changes.

I also realize that it's upsetting when something you worked hard for seems to vanish before your eyes. By now, most of us have lived and played through a nerf to a class.

For some of us to say it doesn't matter what low-to-mid levels think about their changes is dreadfully arrogant. For a level 60 these changes, arguably, hurt MORE. They don't have hax equips and weapons to fall back on. They just have to bend over and take it.

It's been said before in this thread, and the people who have said it are 100% correct but it bears repeating, your level doesn't mean a damned thing. It represents your dedication to the game, sure. But not your importance to said game. I don't think anyone can seriously think that being over level 150 makes their money any greener than a level 30.

All of that being said, to all the people that are quitting I say thank you and Godspeed. Without you a lot of the resources I need to craft my equips wouldn't be for sale. And I don't blame you for quitting, but let's not make the update an excuse for your boredom with the game. After four years of anything it begins to be tiring. Dofus doesn't last forever for anyone. I've had more friends quit this game than I'd care to count, and most left because they had accomplished all that they had set out to do. Not because Xelors were forced out of their prespic sets or any of the other countless changes we've gone through.

Also, youb, you can be on my friends-list if you'd like. I'm not quitting for a while yet and am an animal in bed.

Posted by: ViolatorPL 1 Apr 2009, 03:27

*for a second I thought my censored posts are gone*

From what you just sed looks like Ankama cares more about level 30 that just started to play this game and since hes only 30 and he made that in less then a day...
What players quit games in 1st place? Theres a game called "Tibia" you heard of it? you think that levle 300 will give up hes character faster then a lvl 30? Think again because if not those lvl 200-300+ players then that game would be dead long ago. They don't because thoce companys care about their players and not only the low lvls but all of them.
In Dofus theres a level limit that mean they should care the most about those epic lvl players because in this game it's al about lhe lvl like in most games like that. You cas nay "No it's about the Dofus eggs" then where are the rest of them? Wheres Ivory and Ebony Dofus? It's been almost 4 years and they are still not implemented.
Changing you build by your decision is one but being forced to change your build is something elce.
Making the game harder is one but making some classer "uber overpowered" and other "useless" is diferent.
As a level 30 i don't mind those changes. Hell I even like them since I just started cause I think "this game is changing all the time maby I whont be bored of it". And even if I dont like those changes to my characer I will just make a new one because its so easy to lvl it back to 30. It will take less then a week (if you play alone and you're new in the game).
Now let's look at the same stiuation but with a player that havle 1 or more accounts with levler 200 characters. Hes characters were changed and it took him lets say 3 years to get all hes accounts that he payed from lvl 1 to 200.
Do you honestly think that he will just start over? I think he'll be devastaded that all hes effort is gone in a snap and all those money he spent wasn't just wasted they were profane

Posted by: medgix 1 Apr 2009, 03:44

If you are the crutch I think you, that last comment scared me :~(...

This is not just about the update (read the whole content of this topic instead of the name of it ^^). I'm tired of repeating my self and excuse me for not doing so =P. I can only speak of my own experience, hence the name of this topic. So, 30 players from Blank quitting is not a big thing, of course not. I'm not that blatantly stupid and arrogant that I would think such a thing. If you keep reading you will see that this goes far beyond this. 30 people from 1 high level guild is quitting, 25 from another is quitting, 20 from another, 24 from another. Well it keeps on hence why 80% of my friendslist are gone. Sure, I can get new friends in this game but what is there to keep me going as present? The option to get new friends? An update I dont agree with (again, many do agree with it and they are entitled to do so). I'm not intrested in regearing my end game characters. It's not what call content. I've done it 7 times already (I am pathetic, arent I?). I'm sliding away towards one point here so I'll quit posting before I go off topic or starts ranting my self.

Posted by: Crutch 1 Apr 2009, 04:05

Oh youb, it is indeed the Crutch you think it is. And though it may not have read that way, my parting line was supposed to be a joke ;p

And I actually did read this entire thread, though it may not have sounded like it. I wasn't really replying to anyone in particular, though I understand how you feel as the OP that I may have been directing my words at you. It was just a list of thoughts I had to get off my chest after reading the entire thread.

Just like people like to complain about updates, I like to complain about people who complain about updates.

At the end of the day we're just customers. And the thing that customers do best is complain. It just kind of bugs me to always read all kinds of complaints every time there is an update that changes anything. We're never going to be happy with this game, but we always seem to accept it and love it in spite of its faults.

Now if they could just figure out a way to put a panda on a mount!

Posted by: -zeusek- 1 Apr 2009, 04:48

It's not hard to tell the difference between the updates and the complaints that followed.

I think the biggest issue with this update is that people really are actually quitting over it. Some of us are losing a lot of friends, and it was those friends that kept us playing this boring endless beta known as Dofus. And the Sac class is undoubtedly getting knocked down a few rungs with this update, unless you only care about PVP, in which case you have my pity.

On a side note, we were always told the same tired excuse about Dofus 2.0 being higher priority and delaying new content, but then an extensive update like this comes along, which still adds no new content, and still no word on 2.0. It almost seems like the Devs have too much free time on their hands.

Posted by: infery 1 Apr 2009, 08:48

Youb that first post made me so happy. I haven't been playing that long but those are my thoughts exactly. It's really a shame the only ankama staff member who watches the international forums, kaoly, has out of commission.

I hope you sent this to them in a ticket as well.

Dacheat 19x eni, sadida, 18x enu, panda sac, xelor, and some other junker chars.
(currently quit until 5 account limit is lifted)

Posted by: atraeiu 1 Apr 2009, 09:12

its actually pretty simple as to what they are doing in terms of marketting...

1. ankama is working with microsoft to produce "islands of wakfu" for Xbox...so all the good developers are over there creating a new MMO

2. dofus 2.0 will be released in response to the release of diablo3 so dont expect it until D3 comes out, as it will be ankamas way of staying competative

3. this update 1.27 was just a way of 'keeping people busy' until that release and while ankama is spending your money making a microsoft game...

they never realized...

1. people would be so upset because everything they worked for just got destroyed, and those of you talking about "just re-equip and adapt" have you looked at the new maging rules??

2. the customer is ALWAYS right, especially when its 100s-1000s of them saying the same thing

3. there is always another product to buy and other people to support that do cherish the feelings of their hard earned customer base....and those customers would PREFER to do something really new instead of getting re-arranged so there legs are where there arms where and bing told , go try old stuff it will seem new.


now they have already promised to "FIX" the things they messed up with this update in the next i for one will not be re-subscribing until i see proof....and even then it may be too late.
i do think it is very poor etiquette and form to favour new acquaintences over old friends...how could they do this to loyal members...i would like a formal apology from ankama developers posted on their homepage....i think that would be a good start.

Posted by: medgix 1 Apr 2009, 15:33

So to answer my first post. We finaly get heard! Sylfaen, the french CCM took some time to contact our community.

http://www.impsvillage.com/forums/index.ph...0&start=140

http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.p...=1#post18177814

I'm sad to see that Kaoly will remain gone for a very long period. We will REALLY miss her.

I'm still to see many answers but with some luck from our side and good will from Sylfaen we might get most of the answers we seek. Once I've gotten the oportunity to ask him a few questions I'll update this post.

Posted by: SnarfSnarf 1 Apr 2009, 15:34

808!

That's two 404 errors added together

Posted by: [MOD]Wish 1 Apr 2009, 15:52

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to let you all know about our new forum section: http://forum.dofus.com/en/talk-with-the-dofus-team-f1016.html

I hope you'll find it helpful.

-Wish

Posted by: KytiaOne 1 Apr 2009, 15:57

I would like to point out, in response to Crutch, it is not "new content" when you have to re-equip your chars with gear you have already made before for whatever reason, be it a build change, a lvl change, whatever. It is "new content" only when it is newly introduced gear. Having 3 lvl 200 chars and a slew of other alts I have already made most of the gear in the game and believe me, going back and farming zoth mobs over and over is not appealing.

I will repeat myself: Ankama is a business, they are targeting their largest subscriber base, the low to mid lvls, with this update. Fine. If they had any interest in maintaining their epic players they would introduce new content. This is their business decision - to vilify them for "not caring" is a waste of time. The answer is to be sad (I'm sad), cherish the memories, and move on to another game or something else to occupy your personal free time. Believe me, Ankama has anticipated losing epic players with this move, our cries will go unheard and unheeded. So sorry. Business decision. Period.

Posted by: shirkaanan 1 Apr 2009, 15:59

Wish, there seems to be a bug with posting on your thread, FYI, and thanks. I've been waiting for a thread that has more direct correspondence.

Posted by: [MOD]Wish 1 Apr 2009, 16:05

Thanks, I've passed that along, it should be fixed now.

-Wish

Posted by: sparemechange 1 Apr 2009, 18:31

Perhaps we can all make a compromise with this update? Like perhaps make new servers with the 1.27 update and leave existing servers as it is...1.27 basically makes everyone restart anyway so y not let us keep playing where we are and those who want 1.27 can move to a new server as they wish.

Posted by: -aransky---- 2 Apr 2009, 01:59

Yup, Thanks for this topic.

I'm of course waiting for the update to take on the 7th, but when it does it will be my last day of dofus.


187 xel/163 sac/152 eni/143 enu/132 eni

Posted by: meatraw 2 Apr 2009, 02:11

Welcome to the club. I stay on for a while, seeing if something magically makes me want to stay. For me really this update is just a trigger, so I may be thankful to Ankama for that. Who knows maybe I even stay lol.

195 feca/188 cra/180 sac/166 eni/(128 enu)

Posted by: AkromaAngelofWrath 2 Apr 2009, 05:28

This remind me of a guy who use to post when 2.0 starts everyone should have a char reset

I personally think those who already sold their equips and actually took action to leave are being too hasty. At least wait til the actual thing comes out. From what I heard, here and French forum both have hugh amount of complain for this update. I think there are still room for big potential changes, tho if I am a developer, I wouldn't... then again if I get my math problem wrong I wouldn't even bother redoing that so this can go either way

Epic players, tho I am not one of you, I been epic somewhere else I know it's frustrating when all your work get wipe away in an instant. I had those experiances in other games. Frankly I would walk off too, but trust me if you really like Dofus I mean not just the system, you like the community and dofus as a whole after three months or so you'd suddenly remember a game you use to play call Dofus and think it was a fun ride and maybe consider rejoining :] At least that's the case for me. I really wish you guys can rethink about leaving.

Posted by: -aransky---- 2 Apr 2009, 14:19

yeah, i'll keep in touch to chat as a f2p and wait to see if the next update fixes anything. Not paying money for a chat, most of my friends i can just skype, the ones that i cant normally have some form of IM.

Posted by: medgix 2 Apr 2009, 19:45

Hi there Akroma! I would just like to add that many of the players who already left did it because of the lack of information from Ankama and also got tired of waiting for certain answers that was questioned already a year ago concerning multiclienting. I'm sure this update helped them on the way, but it was not the only reason why they left.
To be perfectly honest Dofus does not apeal to me at all anymore. I've achieved all my goals ingame and my friends are dropping like flies. I have no further reason to keep playing as for now. However, this community is absolutely outstanding and I can't see my self beeing without it.
As I will play alot less from now on I've decided to focus my energy on the international community. Atleast the energy I'll have left after finishing my daily chores!
Me and a few other players have a little project going on to stimulate the community and raise the communication between us and Ankama.
I can't give out more details yet but I believe that our project might bring back alot of the players who already left or are planning to leave.

It will take a few weeks for us to go public with what we are trying to achieve as we need to get in contact with several people outside of this project ^^.

Think I'm going off topic? Absolutely not! If it hadn't been for this topic this idea never would have been born in the first place .

Thanks for reading!

/youbutsu

Posted by: AkromaAngelofWrath 2 Apr 2009, 19:51

Glad to hear that :] I comment on your effort.

Posted by: -aransky---- 2 Apr 2009, 20:02

^^ good news, i cant wait to hear what you've got planned.

Posted by: Portfel 2 Apr 2009, 21:13

Was there dragon in this fairy tale ?

Posted by: medgix 2 Apr 2009, 22:03

Sorry but I don't understand what you mean, can you rephrase it?

Posted by: meatraw 2 Apr 2009, 22:05

Maybe he doesnt believe it can/will happen. I wish you all the luck with and I am myself very curious how will this project of yours turn out. :-)

Posted by: Xuanygrandmother 3 Apr 2009, 09:28

just pointing out an important fact if you got any lawyers helping you on the case.

ankama in his contract description is to legally "provide access to server" (not to please costumer...)
legally, they have an obligation "to use all the means necessary" but not to "achieve the goal" it's the difference you see any kind of service contract in france:
the obligation of means
the obligation of results

sometimes both.

by willingly locking acces for certain countries to 8accounts. they are breaking that obligation of means.

this is an attackable point, in terms of law.

the fact you dont like the game anymore is not.
the fact they wont listen to what you say is not.

now your problem is collective action to sue a company is all brand new in france. so gl with it! lol
I hope you get refund.

edit: rephrased it a bit, results vs means, in other words Ankama Games dont have to get a good result, they have to set every means to achieve that result...
result being only: letting you play on server, there is not a single word on the content. totally illogical but law havent been re-wrote since on-line games where invented, so instead of defining the game to be the product, they pretend they sell you "the access" to the game.
it's a bit like buying a train ticket, and train company telling you've just bought acces to the train, but trains dont have to work...so fuck you no refund.... loolzzzzz x 10

Posted by: medgix 3 Apr 2009, 13:06

ehhh...

Posted by: AkromaAngelofWrath 3 Apr 2009, 13:25

I am not sure they are talking about a law sue..

Posted by: Xuanygrandmother 3 Apr 2009, 13:28

dont expect any money back then or even the slightest pressure power on Ankama.

only reason they took off the 5acc limit imo is because it was actually breaking "the obligation of means". and they've seen youb making it public, and that it could lead to big problems for them.
listening to the fact you dont like update? not like they would or should care. as far as 1.27 content is concerned, Ankamas Games are untouchable

it's not decent, but it's legal!

Posted by: Portfel 3 Apr 2009, 13:30

All epic players ... transformation :x Keep waiting for result of this action. Still thinking english community have almost nothing to say about 1.27. Each info first is on french sites later with tons of rumors come here with average type of translations. Wait or leave - wind of changes comming soon

Posted by: medgix 3 Apr 2009, 14:38

That has already been answered by Ankama them selfs.


It got lifted, many got what they wanted. It's all good and a dead subject.



I never even thought they would care. Actually they do care. Otherwise Lichen never would have made that post.
Not sure what you are refering to. I'm just glad we finaly are getting attention as that was the main concern for most of us. You always had your attention, you're french, you can read the information in french at the communnity, you can discuss the matters over at JoL. I'm not surprised over your reactions since this was not one of your own concerns anyway.
Think about the other 100 thousands of players.
As a matter a fact, the country restriction they are adding. Wouldn't you just love if you, who are from France, suddenly found out you arent welcomed to play your characters at rushu anymore?
I bet you would've wanted to have a saying in that matter .

Good game!

Edit:



The issue here is not the law. No one here said they would be contacting any lawyers. I don't understand where you're getting at. I agree, I find it a bit silly but atleast we're getting attention and communication now. Ankama are finaly reading what we write.

Posted by: Xuanygrandmother 3 Apr 2009, 15:19

fool yourself if you like
because I'm french it just helps me realise it more, because I can see the difference between what's on french and international forums.
and sorry I play on Rushu, with non-french people, so it is also my concern. (mind you, I dont hang out with french people only)



again: lol
they dont even read all that is on french forum.
and you are the one here(with your supporters) complaining about the lack of new content + 1.27 so changing the game...

again they dont care because they dont have to.
they did eventually care about access limitation because they HAD to.

now you could write to all the MMO onlineblog/newspapers you like to say Ankama Games is fucking your play style, it won't change anything. The ToS you agreed with when you P2P never said anything about it. and that has nothing to do with the fact you are not french.

just pointing out all 1.27 haters like you are fighting versus the wind....but certainly not Ankama Games.
sorry to break the dream, the mighty crusades ends with technical problems, not in game content.

Posted by: DevilixRushu 3 Apr 2009, 15:46

I am amused at the notion that anyone would think in terms of a law suit here - over what? $65usd? Are you serious?

I am certain that whatever Youbutsu is working on will have to do with improvements in communications or something along those lines, not some nefarious action to harm, or get back at, Ankama.

Spouting what is law and what is not is a waste of everyone's time.

Devilix, Rushu

Posted by: -aransky---- 3 Apr 2009, 15:54

Nah, i didn't care so much about the lawsuits or whatever, but I really do want to see how what youb is doing goes. I think there's been, what, one mention of lawsuit? maybe two... didn't bother counting, lol.

Posted by: AkromaAngelofWrath 3 Apr 2009, 16:02

I would watch this, if you guys take it to people's court...

Posted by: medgix 3 Apr 2009, 19:28

That is exactly what we're doing (I'm not alone).

They made a whole new section for us here Xu, for us to talk directly to a community manager (CCM). She is reading what we are writing and we are getting attention even though its far from as much as the french community is getting. With the project me and some other players got going on we will increase the communication even further and maybe, just maybe change a few things around here.
We have the time (some of us quit dofus to spend time on this), we have the knowledge about how to pull this off, we have support and we have the money.
We will not earn any money from this, it's entirely volunteerly.

Now we're organizing, preparing and recruiting .

Edit:
It will be something to benefit both this community and Ankama. There's no question about any law suits.

Posted by: SnarfSnarf 3 Apr 2009, 20:58

More details pl0x

What's the plan of action and what do you need more people for? I'm up for anything that can improve communication between us and Ankama.

Posted by: Bujax 3 Apr 2009, 22:05

We all go to France and protest in front of their offices? Throw eggs and toilet paper?

Posted by: Portfel 3 Apr 2009, 22:41

No burning crucyfixes and ghost clothes ? Sounds like preparing to battle. Grow my minions ! Meow.

Posted by: medgix 3 Apr 2009, 23:14

I wont give out any details yet as we're still in the beggining of this project and it's the wrong topic/section to write about it ^^;;.
We will need administrators, another graphic designer (someone who are used in working with vectors), another webdesigner and a "linguist" (this person should be abled to both read and write well in both french and english) but theese people also need to know alot about the game, our community and and about the different departments at Ankama.

If you feel you're up to any of this and done it before, feel free to drop me a line at youbutsu@blankonline.net! (you must remember that this is completely volunteerly and there is no financial profit to be gained)

We're doing this to increase the communication between our selfs and Ankama (and vice versa as well). Though I have to admit that dressing up as ghosts and throwing eggs at people sounds a bit temping!

/youbutsu

Posted by: festering-pit 4 Apr 2009, 03:31

When will this happen?
In another 3-6 months? Or in a bunch of years (history showed us how slow Ankama is working)
/me is being sceptic.

Posted by: KA-Dofus 4 Apr 2009, 03:41

Already done, called Talk to the DOFUS Team.

Posted by: H-a-m-m-e-r 4 Apr 2009, 05:15

In reality I haven't been paying the Earth or my friends and family to provide a service. Dofus on the other hand is a service. The dofus creators decided that they did not like the service they were delivering (and without much consent from people who are paying) decided they would deliver a new 'service'. Well am I going to get my money back? Will I have the option to stop payment on whatever subscription time I have left? Can I get back the hours and hours of dedicated play to make my characters as good as I could make them in the current environment? If the answers to all of those are a yes then fine. Dofus can do whatever the hell they want. Until then I reserve the right to complain that I am not actually receiving what I paid for. What I find the most fun is that none of the changes that are happening seem to have needed any kind of customer approval.

Imagine this business model in any other kind of setting. For instance I pay for a cable service. Halfway through my non-refundable subscription the cable company decides that their channel lineup is not optimal. Without my consent they decide to change what stations and shows I will be able to view. While some things will stay the same the rest will be at the whim of someone who never bothered to ask me what I specifically was paying for. In this case I think my analogy is a good one. There are many areas of dofus that I have barely sampled because I do not find them appealing for my characters or needs. Yet I still pay for access to all the areas (and classes and weapons) in a very similar way to paying for all cable channels even though you can only actively use one at a time and will rarely if ever watch all the channels you receive. Yet dofus has decided that they did not like the service they were giving me. So they have decided what each and every customer wants without bothering to talk to the customers.

Posted by: H-a-m-m-e-r 4 Apr 2009, 05:18

How about potentially thousands of hours invested and that immediately being invalidated?

Posted by: doomtizzle 4 Apr 2009, 05:55

I think i must be dense or something because i fail to see the purpose of this post it sounds like your cryin just because you want attention first off

"Those of us who multiclient get limited to 5 accounts. We can't log more unless we have static ip's. Something that costs alot of money for us to get. We get no refunds for the money we spent on subscribing our accounts - hell, we don't even get a "sorry". It takes a few months, the restriction gets lifted and we can play again. We subscribe our accounts and as soon we do - we get restricted again. It's pretty clear that Ankama is doing this to take our money, nothing else. We've asked millions of times for explanations both in tickets and topics HERE AT THEESE FORUMS. We get nothing."

do you think it could be because they don't want you on more then 5 accounts? you should be happy that your allowed to even have 2 accounts 9 out of 10 games will ban you for playing more then one account at a time and if you are stupid enough to keep feeding them money to try and log 6 then you just fail.

"They change the whole game mechanics."

How is that a bad thing chances are you are not gonna have to change your sets like you claim. Enjoy the fact you get a nice change up in how you gotta play instead of doing the same thing over and over and over ya new content is nice but im sure the wait is gonna be worth it i mean 50% of the players havent even got to see alot of the stuff aside from leeching the random high level in their guild.

"Instead of encouraging your old time players to keep playing and get your self a good rumour and more customers from us - you chase us away. Start showing us some god d#mn respect. Stop ignoring us - WE ARE THE GAME!!"

the 19x+ people are a small part of the game the other 75% they arent ignoring you they are slowly working on an amazing update just deal with it.

Frankly i love this update the new sac style is pretty cool and i love it, class spells for everyone rewind sounds so cool, theres a ridiculous amount of new challenges that are really fun, enjoy that they changed the game up for us frankly i was gettin tired of repeating the same actions over and over and over.

~pbe 116 sadida

Posted by: H-a-m-m-e-r 4 Apr 2009, 05:56

After reading this whole thread I am left with one inescapable conclusion. The Dofus programmers forgot a very very basic engineering principle. If it ain't broke don't fix it. The areas that most people were asking for were more content, for the most part this meant new areas, new equipment (preferably to fill out some of the less common builds and to make up for some class imbalances), new dungeons, and to deliver on the class special spells (again with some help on balancing out class issues), alignment quests, 6 real dofi, and fixing the glaring bugs (dead spots still show up occasionally). Dofus simply forgot all of this and have created a game with similar graphics but have basically demolished (in some cases 4 years worth) of work by many many characters. I don't care what your level is, your current and next planned set should not be made invalid by an update. There is just no excuse considering how long it can take to get the materials for even one piece of equipment. And then this update goes another agonizing step further by completely redesigning two whole classes so that the fighting styles are completely unrecognizable and making at least moderate changes to all the others. This can literally invalidate years of leveling a character. It doesn't matter that the character still exists in name but all the personal goals become invalidated.

I really don't want dofus to fail. The 1.26 version is doing pretty well (minus some minor issues and the unfulfilled promises). I just see 1.27 as the beginning of the end for dofus. They are completely disregarding the people who have been most loyal, they are killing most of the tried and true strategies that have been perfected over the course of 4 years with painstaking hours of leveling and gameplay. And what's most frustrating is that no one is bothering to explain why the changes are so drastic. No one has bothered to explain why sac buffing in dungeons or ghosts will no longer be worth it. No one has bothered to explain why after all these years that dofus needs to be 'more tactical'. I don't see needlessly hard, complicated, and infuriating as 'tactical'. And I'm rather confused by the word tactical as dofus uses it because for the most part the strategies need to be accessible to 6-8 year olds who have only made one character but still have to play with all 11 other classes as well. Of course they might not know the exact nuance of every other character class but the basic ideas, spells, and decisions should be a relatively open book.

Posted by: H-a-m-m-e-r 4 Apr 2009, 06:07

Well to address your first point. There is nothing in the TOS against using more than one account. There is nothing in the TOS against using more than 5 accounts. Dofus is accepting money for the p2p privilege but then denying service. Strictly speaking that is illegal.

Well I guess you've never bothered to make a character the best at something. Most high level stats are a very tight balance of ap, mp, a main characteristic, vit, wis, a secondary characteristic, damage, % damage, +range, and +crits (and some classes +healing). Having to readjust this balance is a horrendously time consuming and kama consuming process. Having to do it for 5 or more epic level characters is almost as hard as starting over from scratch (if you haven't priced it lately an average kralove set is in the 40-45mk range).

Having whole builds invalidated all at once is a pretty big deal when you consider all the invested characteristic and spell points, the time spent fighting to learn every nuance of a build, and every possible last ditch strategy. You don't just relearn overnight when even one spell changes let alone half of them.

Having entire team strategies simply removed from effectiveness will make dungeons time consuming (which goes back to refitting characters).

Maybe next time dofus will screw over your 25% of the game so hard that you'll think about quitting. Soon enough there aren't many players left.

Oh and just a quick fyi getting a sadi to level 116 can take as little as a week. Getting 5 characters to level 200 is a slightly more daunting endeavor. The most you could spend on a single set is about 15mk (and that's being generous if you really go all out on those ancestral tree parts and maged gelanos). A single level 190 gear can cost that much with just the luck of a random craft to account for how well it fits your build. So yes obviously the people with the most invested are the hardest hit.

Posted by: doomtizzle 4 Apr 2009, 06:31

i realize that it is a "tight balance" at those levels but the fact is its not that drastic of a change people are just freaking out and making it seem worse then it is they are not going to have to change their equips much if at all i may be a 11x sadida but i have been around and part of the high level community as long as most of the 19x+ i have been around this game since the first christmas event when the santa roamed astrub i single handedly killed all of the Cathar Knight percs back when they were one of the top guilds when King of Kings still played. point is this guy is throwing a tissy fit for no good reason

Posted by: doomtizzle 4 Apr 2009, 06:36

and a quick add on ofc dofus is gonna accept the money how are they gonna know that is the 6th+ account so ofc they arent gonna give you the money back ya they should put a warning up but you should expect money back if you keep putting into somethin you know your not gonna get to use

Posted by: Phatballerz 4 Apr 2009, 07:33

well you probably whined about more variety at that epic lvl and not the monotony of simply hit/heal/hit/heal/kill/you win/you lose/the battle
or something like that or whatever epic lvls do in their spare time. You got what YOU wanted!

Posted by: Simbio 4 Apr 2009, 07:34

I didn't read whole topic here is way to long for me. But if I read begin of topic i fully agree with Youb. I am guild leader too, so I see how people act in which situation. I have 4 accounts on each I have lvl199 characters, I have made for them all all equips I wanted. I have scrolled stats on each. I have done all dungeons in dofus. And now only thing left is exping to get to lvl200. If you ask me what else I will have to do when I get to lvl200? I can answer nothing, because I have done all. Already now I have many many useless milions of kamas from just exping and not buying items anymore only because I have made and done everything I wanted. I have no use for kamas. I have nothing more to do in dofus. Yet am not lvl200 but am very close to it, but as Youb got to lvl200 very long time ago I understand that he was waiting for something new in dofus as I am all the time. I bet that mostly all highlvl ppl in game were waiting for new update, which will bring new lands, dungeons, equips, posibility to lvl over lvl200. But when everyone saw that new update brings nothing, just change in whole playing system, ppl don't see reason to play dofus anymore. And that is what is curently hapening in my guild. Ppl are quiting just because they have nothing to do, nothing to achieve anymore, they have no reason to play it anymore.
If you go examine markets on rushu you will see that very rare items are droping in price and very fast, which means mostly people have done everything. If you go look in pet market and check how many empty fox pets are for sale, you will notice none. People do not subscribe for 1 year anymore, they do not trust this game anymore, they don't see future for it. As in every online game, market is thing which is showing how well game is living. I have played many online games and I know that to hold games economy up is very important.
Probably 1.27 is what they try to do. With changes they do in 1.27 ppl will have to reequip, and restat, it will buff dofus economy for short time. But if you ask me it is wrong way to do. People who were playing this game for years achieving something and they have done it, now when they see that they have to start work again from 0, gives feeling to give up on this game.
If we talk about Ankamas support it is very very bad. If you would have firma with such suport every client would run away. I do not remeber when it happened, but everyone remebers that evil weekend when server Rushu was down whole weekend. Everyone was waiting for server coming and hoping that it happens each minute. People were reading forums waiting for new information, but nothing. Nothing for whole 2 days. When I played other online game and they had similar problem, was realy awesome to see how they were informing each 20mins people about situation what is going on, on what they work curently and giving time when all things will be working again. Probably they know that you have to fight for each client to have them buy your product. That is what Ankama has to learn.

And in case if Ankama see this. We need new expansion, new zones, dungeons, new equipments to hunt for and evolving game futher so everyone has fun to play it:)


/Simbi (close to lvl200 but not very close)

Posted by: killerfurby 4 Apr 2009, 13:17

have you got all the 'available' dofuses? that is the point of the game. to collect all 6 dofuses. even tho there is only 4 in the game after nearly 4 years....

Posted by: Portfel 4 Apr 2009, 13:40

Dont have even single one. Thats make me not epic player ? Darn my dreams are broken ... Fighteing once against those epic 200 he lose and said that because doesnt have his precious eggs, theres piece of true in your sentence so.

Posted by: killerfurby 4 Apr 2009, 14:37

was just asking i didnt mean anything by it....

Posted by: DevilixRushu 4 Apr 2009, 14:50

Well I don't know about you but I enjoyed the hell out of the thousands of hours I spent on Dofus and consider it money well spent.

Devilix, Rushu

Posted by: DevilixRushu 4 Apr 2009, 15:01

I don't believe I've ever read a post that actually makes me want to delete my characters because I cannot stand the notion of playing the same game as the poster.

nuff said cause Wish would permanently ban me from the forum if I expressed my opinion of your opinions. And she'd be correct to do so. It wouldn't be pretty.

Devilix, Rushu

Posted by: medgix 4 Apr 2009, 19:21

A little update: http://forum.dofus.com/en/general-discussion-f2/project-dd-t73318.html

Posted by: jklsdhnlkjsdfh 4 Apr 2009, 20:52

+1
good comment. well i think that the change is good, only adaptable in the new tactics and spell efect, not is bad, much think that is the end of dofus... nope, because enter new ppl with the chance and not have noticed that these chance, the game is fun,, much ppl take this that life style, i understood because played 1 years , well i see all type of change, for this reason too i not take character overpower, with the time check some detail and these overpower character some day check and balancing... yes nerf because chance of overpower to balance character... but this have interesing the update... well "Epic level" if you want quit, is ok, but the 90% of these played teturn 2 o 3 week more later, well
cya and remeber isn´t end of dofus, end of dofus is when you quit the game

Posted by: medgix 5 Apr 2009, 03:26

I'm not sure how I am suposed to cry on a forum. Yes, actually I did want some attention but not for my self but for the whole community. If you read the whole topic you will see what this was about. We actually ended up getting that as well. Buhu? I think "you're dense or something" because you surely failed to see the purpose of my first post.



The question was not why some players (not me) was limited to a certain amount of accounts. I don't belive its fair to accept money from people for a service you won't provide. Simple common sense, simple customer service. The issue here was that theese people didn't get an explanation, excuse or a refund. It didn't matter how many tickets they sent. In fact I know of a player that send a ticket over a year ago about this issue and she's still havent been answered.
I've explained this more then 3 times already, read for christs sake.
You just want to bash someone.



For several of us it is a bad thing. I explained it before and I'll explain it again.
I.e... They are limiting healing word and revitalizing word on enis. That means that I will need to get more heals to deal with the damages made on my team. I decided make a damage build on my eni (sucker set, ink veil, gladiator set) so I sold his healing set (string set). Because of theese changes I will have to get the exact same set as I sold (string set).
Yeah, theese nerfs had to be made but many of us don't enjoy doing the same thing all over again. Its a complete overhaul of his items.
Same thing for my sacrier actually. I will need a new set for her as well.
Yes, theese changes had to be made but certainly not 4 years later and not all at once. Believe me, there will be more changes.



Nice, only quoting that part of my post certainly makes it look like that I'm saying "we the 19x-200 people are the game". I was refering to the lack of communication between us and our Devolopers. Doesn't matter really because then I can disregard from your complaint. Sweet, thanks!



I'm glad you like the update! But I'm not happy that you had to rub it in the faces of the players that are upset about it (I'm ok with it, really)! Because those are who this topic was directed to, not you.

You are such a kind spirit <3!

~youbutsu 200 eca

Posted by: kivegezlek 6 Apr 2009, 15:38

Or maybe you should point me exactly where it is stated that I cannot pay for more than 5 accounts?
Other MMOs = it is forbidden to have more than one account
Show me such restriction in the Dofus Tos.



Where were you in the past year? 'The wait is gonna be worth'. You know most of us are tired of waiting and getting nothing.
Actually, getting crippled instead of having something new to do in Dofus; the number of accounts we can log is restricted, we have to come up with a whole new strategy for most of the high end dungeons, change our gear, etc. I am sure no one would have a problem with this if we saw guarantee that our class won't be completely restructured in 3 months, or some new content in vicinity (yea I know, 2.0 is coming...for a year now ).



You clearly have no idea how annoying and mind numbing high end dungeons are, that you have to run them countless times to get your sets made. If you knew it, you wouldn't spam this topic in the first place. You got tired of repeating the same thing over and over again? For your Ancestral set I guess. Well, just to cheer you up, there will be dungeons you have to run ten times more for ONE piece of your equipment than you did Treechnid. Happy now?

/szi

Posted by: morfana 6 Apr 2009, 19:40

Off topic

I think you forgot dofus is a program.You can never stop updating programs.If there is a problem,it must be fixed.After updating you will see some failures and some bugs.You will update again.Mr. Bill Gates features new operating systems every year unless you don't use linux/unix/bsd.Programs must be fixed until they get minimum bugs.I'm %85 sure Ankama knows what they are doing.I say Dofus must be open sourced.So everyone can improve this thing.

Posted by: jklsdhnlkjsdfh 6 Apr 2009, 23:39

well, high level enjoy the new update, oter side... i dont see that sub tittle... ankama not force... is you decide quit the game is only or you,ankama not put one gun in the head well "Quitte layer" see around 2 -3 week in he game later

Posted by: X-namara-X 13 Apr 2009, 11:35

I totally agree about unchanged content (new areas, new monsters, new gear,...). The thing that maybe Ankama couldnt predict was the so fast leveling of players and getting to lvl100 to be a matter of a few days with a good group (multiaccounting). Just put all points to wisdom at start, wear maged wis sets and start the quest about ochre dofus after some levels. At about lvl150 reset stats. By lvl18x and over you have done almost all dungeons and have seen al places in dofus world.
So what else is there to do? Drop precious items for epic gear? Hunt for Turq-Dofus in arena by x5+ enu groups? Maging and selling items to compete uncle Bill with kamas?
Ankama sees that and says: "We have to stop this quick advancing so we start to nerf",
or "hmm, lets try to get the focus on pvp so we change it a little bit adding that and this...",
or maybe " the monsters in the area (e.g. primitive cemetary) are so easy to win and give so much xp, ok we cut xp and strengthen them, also just nerf the player characters more..."
All the time they CHANGING! But what we wait for is ADDING something new!!! To create something new you have to write code. Design the graphics and animations. And finally test, test, test!
I am sure Ankama is also working on something new to ADD but it takes so many so much time.
Imagine the best players were about lvl120. 80 more lvl to the end. Lets say some dungeon bosses were only won 1 or two times by the best party. Some monsters (Dragons for example) were too tough to be killed.
I am not lvl200 but i think i can understand them. They have been in every fight, won all bosses so many times. Now they just gather on -2,0 and talk about CHANGES and maybe do some pvp to see how less damage they do after last updates.
When i started playing i was saving kamas for so long time to just get the dagger master spell for about 500kk. I finished almost all the mini quests for just getting some more kamas and xp.
Now everyone have the best and maged gear in almost every level. In good old days someone that dropped dragon pig leather in arena was cheering and running with joy but now they sell the leather in x10 packs.
I like the turn-based gameplay of Dofus, i like the simplified graphics, the humouristic descriptions of weapons, armor. etc.
As one stated in the forums, if Ankama keeps going like this one day all players of all classes will have the same spells, same gear and of course the same level200.
Also i dont have any positive expectations from Dofus 2.0. There will be nice graphics and animations, things that keep you enthusiastic for just a couple of days.
The real player wants content, challenges from new monsters, new hard-reached levels.
Hope Dofus will not become a game played only by kids, running around and yelling: “look my new fully maged lvl200 sword”, “lend me your ochre dofus and i give you one of my turqs, i need 15ap for a pvp fight”...

Posted by: killerfurby 14 Apr 2009, 09:24

it wont be hard in the slightest now thanks to the stupid stokens. it will be too easy to get a boss soul as already proven, therefor increasing the rare drops 1000000000 fold therefore dramatically decreasing the prices of them therefore destroying the economy

Posted by: Blazeron 14 Apr 2009, 20:45

Well said. It's been a week now and the price of skeunk skins already went down by millions. Dofus' economy is on its way to destruction. ha ha ha.... as CATS would say.

Posted by: Mortacigh 15 Apr 2009, 02:52

imo, the reason the epic levels don't like the updates is cause, imo, they're too used to the old shit.

every update i hear people cry, getting old.

Posted by: Silentgeno 16 Apr 2009, 21:13

Well you wont hear that supposed "crying" much longer since most of us got sick of ankamas bs and moved on.

Posted by: doogyplumm 17 Apr 2009, 03:36

Jeez, guys, I'm sorry you're not having fun. I am still a noob player, but I'll help however I can. For the most part I agree with you, that Ankama had something good going, and then they just shot it all to hell...

Sadida 5x ( ^^ )

Posted by: BushFire 17 Apr 2009, 06:08

You can't polish a turd and thats what this game has become.

Posted by: Phatballerz 2 May 2009, 22:29

Didnt you watch mythbusters? they actually discovered you can do that ^^

Posted by: Roumo 5 May 2009, 03:44

This topic gave me writers block, seriously. I have no idea what to type, which is a first for me. I'll edit this post after I have a long think about what to type.

To support something which could be my future career, or to support the voice of DOFUS. This shall be a tough decision.

-Rou-

Posted by: Phatballerz 5 May 2009, 08:36

You could explain to the other guy how to polish a turd lol.
I saw it on Mythbusters and it was the coolest, shiniest ^^, and possibly disgusting thing i ever saw.

Posted by: rappinxisde 7 May 2009, 02:51

I agree with the topic creator, but that isn't the reason i'm quitting, i'm doing it because Ankama tried many times a class balancement and they never got to it. I love to play with Cra's but they are the worst class on mid levels, then i got bored of getting killed by stupid players with overpowered classes ;p

Posted by: uNFchown 19 May 2009, 07:46

Tetradala 12x ( i know, i know. I'm a low ass nubby ) give players a sense of accomplishment. I wouldn't ban the bots if i were you ankama devs. You will regret losing all that p2p money. And even if you did ban them all... they will just find another way around it. Over, And over, And over again. But yes, You need to add more content, More islands, something. I don't know,. more drop rates, all in all the challenges are great... but some of them are just dumb ( HEHE US DOFUS DEVS ARE TRICKY ) oh and i'm supposed to like, not react to that in some pissed off aggravated manner? seriously though. the exp rate is way to low for the amount of levels there are in this game. maybe not. maybe i'm just a nub...

P.S. I've been playing for years now. I never wanted to multiclient, I can't afford it. I thought most people solo'ed their way to 200( i think only XxRamboPLxX did that @ Primitive before the nerf) psh, maybe they make it so hard just so you make 5 accounts and a guild full of multiclienters so that you give them more money ? Sometimes this game takes so much work. That i would rather goto REAL work, And make REAL money. and then like just not even play. But then again i Really wanna play because i spent the REAL money on my p2p, which is used up whether i play or not...( maybe they should make it get used up if you play at all ) Or something. CHANGE something besides characters... and its true, people spend years learning a strategy, and probably millions of kamas / hours scrolling their chars / getting their gear / getting a strategy down.. etc.. to see it all get nerfed... But yeah if you're 199 atleas you don't have to do the other 80 levels like i do anymore :\... hope everythings good...

Posted by: -Pyre 26 May 2009, 06:16

Remember the Koalak update?
We need more of THAT.
Times ten.

That's all I have to say on that. To be honest, they need to dish out such a huge update that we're about to CHOKE on all of the new stuff.
But by "huge update," I do not by any means mean them trying to get each class equal to the next, as they always seem to be doing.
Each class has its pitfalls - but trying to make sure those pitfalls are on the same level as another class's pitfalls is kinda... Lame.
There's equality, and then there's, well... Let's just say this would be the equivalent of World Peace - World Peace is a myth as far as history has shown so far, and on top of that, in such a situation as ultimate "Peace," conflict would surely arise, unless we all magically become dull and uneventful.
To challenge ideas, to challenge each other's limits, to test the waters, to fail, to succeed... These are all human traits.

What they're trying to do is kill us with this myth of evening out the power and 1337ness of each class. We'll get more and more bored, more and more disappointed...

I didn't mind the addition of the "21st spell" - hell, I loved it. I personally believe the Challenges are one of the most INTELLIGENT moves Ankama has made in quite a while. But that doesn't mean I'm satisfied.

There's a core problem at the moment, and it's their fault for leaving us out of the picture; they add all of these nerfs and stuff without our consent, or our insight.

I know of several different game companies/games themselves who've had a sort of "Camp" for their players from all around the world; The Sims 3 had a "Creator's Camp" where people came from all over to work in the new game, and create Sims and lots, and report back on what they thought of the game.

What Dofus needs is something similar: A camp, perhaps a few days, maybe just a solid WEEK, where perhaps 250-300 lucky players from all around the globe [who're able to attend] are invited to, say, the HQ in France; paid airfare, paid hotel, paid meals.

Not necessarily for each update, but for a MASSIVE update, like 2.0 SHOULD be, but probably won't be, seeing as all that seems to be changing there is the physical representation of characters and the landscape, plus a new continent. Needless to say, they need to think up a HUGE update that'll blow any past updates out of the water; and once they do that, they should invite people to come test it on a USER-"EXPERT" basis - by expert, I more or less mean perhaps representatives of Ankama... Not to mention three or four well-rounded discussions with the Ankama main staff, on the update itself; graphic designers, writers, blah blah blah...

They need to be more INTIMATE with their customers - and not just the French! They're multinational, international; I'll guarantee you most of their money is coming from the US, seeing as how wasteful we are monetarily (sorry if I'm being rude - I'm American, and personally think we're wasteful - to a degree, not... On a drastic scale)... So really, they just need to pay attention to every section of the world.

Then, and only then, will they be able to be respected a bit. For now, their reputation is being ruined by their inability to consult us, and to truly go for what the COMMUNITY wants.

Posted by: the-mark 28 May 2009, 02:40

Man with how much time i have been playing this game I should at least be lvl 120...I wasted so much time quitting and creating new chars. I need to buckle down and get to lvl 100 already! I am determined to get to lvl 100 with my lvl 57 Iop- lvl 67 farmer 80 baker ffs!! Come on Mark get it together!! O well I AM going to get to lvl 100 or even 200!

Seroiusly how can all characters on this game be equal. Ok lets put it like this, anybody ever played the game rock, paper, scisscors? Notice that each of them have their weakness to the next. If all of them had no weakness...how would anyone win? This is what Akmana and those low lvl pvp noobs are trying to do.

Seroiusly how can they limit how many accounts a person can make if they are paying for them...really lets think about that...

Posted by: Blazeron 28 May 2009, 13:31

No. It's because we don't get any "new shit", ever. All you'll ever get all the time considering content is dozens of new sets for level 50 characters, new ways of leveling for lvel 50 characters, more equipment for level 50 characters, balancing measurements to make the game more interesting for level 50 characters, and so on.

Posted by: Discn 30 May 2009, 13:08

i am also on the leaving wagon if ankama dont sort themselves out, i to am an old time player from shika. i left shika because of its shit state, joined solar and no different..

Posted by: doofusdiddy 4 Jun 2009, 03:07

Wow, this thread has been out for months now and i don't think anything has been done at all !!!...!!!... Seriously instead of getting the stead new content, which was semi-satisfying but not good enough, we've been getting absolutely nothing... This better mean 2.0 is coming out, although i seriously doubt. I ran out of membership like a 1 1/2 months ago, decided to quit till 2.0 (I've been doing pretty good so far) and nothing has come out since. April 22 was the last time something came out news/update wise, and all that was on was a useless "Godfathers Fortunes" birthday, which is supposed to get us to convince our friends to play this rubbish game. It is June 3rd, and Dofus did say they would have the 2.0 update right about now (infact a bit earlier). Guess what, another lie. To think i was going to get a second membership.

Posted by: Galaboy 9 Jun 2009, 16:47

Well I think one of the main reasons that they are not adding new content is because they are trying to do this balancing act with three diffrent games and a tv show. WHAT THE HELL! Don't make some french tv show that nobody will like, pay attention to the game you created at the start of your company!!!! Don't make some crap wakfu game that will just get neglected as much as dofus!!! Don't get everyone excited about 2.0 and say it will come early spring and let it come out 3 years after! Forget everything you are doing and focus on DOFUS!!! And don't just pay attention to the french community! That was my two cents.
/166 Osa

Posted by: XehanordHeartless 10 Jun 2009, 17:43

Guys I saw the French website and it was saying something about dofus 2.0.I dont know french so can anyone see what happens?

Posted by: Drantic 15 Jun 2009, 01:20

First of all, a lot of changes are proposed in forums and most aren't listened. Well, you play with 8 accounts and that easy for you to grind your items. Sell the old ones and stop crying, farm new ones. You are lvl 200 with almost all your characters you have almost nothing to do after you get your new equipments, Ankama is doing you a favor to get you something different to do other than PvP or talk to your budies. It's a game not a chat only. You have quests an all to do but what you focus on then?
Administrating an epic guild? It's a game, play it too.

Posted by: qazaws 15 Jun 2009, 13:33

I agree with youb completely >>. VS 1.27 was a mess for my feca. Dofus turned into a pvp type game. AMAKNA. You see how many people are quitting? I stopped getting p2p a bit after the 1.27 came out. Made a sac. Now bored with it. Quitting soon. The LOADS OF HP THING makes everything take soooo long. PvM doesnt work anymore since we have loads of hp and they didnt get buffed at all --".

Amakna you messed up.

-Tubes

Posted by: Elder-Earth 23 Jun 2009, 00:10

ah yes in regards to pvp and the hp increase,has anyone noticed that even with the hp,fully scrolled,and the best gear for the lvl 60+ range other classes get worked by intel iops still,i recently left rushu and deleted my eni (Miz-Wabbit) and although i spent the better part of 11mil on scrolling and having the best gear possible intel iops still hit entirely to much.in fact i did that math and even a shitty/poor intel iop with only 6ap can outdamage anything consistantly until you hit lvl 100,pure vital gear sacs are the next heavy hitters but even they have trouble with intel iops because they can jump and ss in one turn >.> "rebalancing the classes" pft my left nut, go ahead and tweak the classes with absolutly useless spells like the new version of deceitful attack,pft ankama is a joke =]

Posted by: Lunuil 3 Jul 2009, 17:37

Realistically, you can't expect a lvl 6X eni to outmatch an Int Iop? And no, sacs do not have a problem with them, at least not me.

In fact, this whole post seems like a rant to me. Deceitful attack is very useful for a Sram. The classes were relatively rebalanced, although certain classes have a "level Peak" where they dominate.

As for the original post by youbutsu. I almost wanted to say, make another character. Until I noticed that you have several Other 200's. As far as I can tell, there's nothing on this thread that can satisfy you, nothing Dofus can currently do that can satisfy all of us. What we need to do is wait it out or leave. Amkana is playing to the dominant population of characters, trying to build, what I believe to be a strong community. But they are forgetting the epic levels, who are truly the committed ones. All I can tell you is personally, I don't mind what Amkana is doing, but they are progressing too slowly. This update should have been years ago. We need new content literally monthly, that we can play. A new dungeon every month? One that 15X + can run. That would be amazing. Sadly, Amkana isn't going to satisfy that need either, so we might as well just wait till 2.0. I know I won't be quitting any time soon. Actually, I find it fun sitting at pvp map or [5,7] all day.

We play on different servers so I don't know you personally, but I wish you the best of luck.

Yours'

Luniul

Posted by: Lunuil 3 Jul 2009, 17:39

Apologies, for the double post, a virus scan is running and my computer is a little slow.

Posted by: Garciatantonio 4 Jul 2009, 03:42

WOW... ELEVEN PAGES OF FLAMING RANTS!
IN case no one has laready posted ANYTHING in the french forums, I gladly offer my help to translate.


In no ways I am an EPIC lvl player, I played the game for what... 3/4 years...(lost count) and even in the first updates i wouldnt agree with some of the stuff that was modified. I actually remember saying that someday the water element would be VERY popular/strong/usefull because no one bothered to have resistances to such(needless to say i was exposed to the ridiculous).
Guess what, we have Chance builds on Sacriers, Osas, Sadidas, damn.... even Xelors use it.(Does this mean that Dofus is exposed to ridiculous, is the game ridiculous, or is it the developers??).
Wich leads me to say that one of the greatest flaws in Dofus and its developing team is that they are WAY to oriented to satisfy the n00bs needs, incompetent players that no matter what lvl they are just cant seem to beat an opossing class in PvP and that keep spammin forums and such saying that ONE particular class is overpowered and that theirs need improving(wich Ankama then interpretates as: "We need to change the whole game/class dynamics.) If you are one of those: Congrats you contributed in ruining the game for us all. You´ve killed" the first Int Xelors, Fecas, Str and Agy Sacriers, among others.
Hence the majority prefers PvP they decided that Dofus is now a PvP game( C mon man... lvl 30´s in PvP??). Hence people cant cope with the monsters damage dealing, they get +5 hp per lvl. Sure if that satisfys the lower lvls Im happy for them, enjoy the game. BUT WHY ANKAMA, WHY?? WHY DO THE LVLS 100+ GET TO CHANGE THEIR CHARS THROUGH EACH UPDATE?? WHY DONT WE GET NOTHING? WHY DO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE PAYING, NOT FOR FUN, NOT TO DISCOVER NEW THINGS IN THE GAME, BUT TO BUILD A CHARACTER AGAIN!? I am amazed that sadidas are still Str based and Enus Chance Based. Stop depriving us of our well deserved (and paid for) characters, stop giving us excuses that with the drastic changes in spellls we get to be more powerfull or more dynamic/strategic. Want to know what we need? We need new Quests, new NPC´s, new Epic lvl Monsters, new decent equips, new challenges, NEW EVENTS( Hence Rushu is lacking some, dont you think!?). The number of new challenges that have come since the last years are countable in ONE HAND, thats FIVE FINGERS. Want a tip? The Dofus world map is full of gaps, get inspired we beg you, give it some filling.

Our request is simple... do not make us reset our characters after a 2 months to 1 year absence from the game due to its lack of content. Do not tamper with the spells anymore, even if you leave it this way as it is ITS FINE, we do not mind anymore.


Monochrome
Class: Sadida
lvl: 130 (something)
Server: Rushu

Posted by: Zarnal-Ahkna 4 Jul 2009, 21:16

well, hi everybody...

I dont want to spoil this topic but i have to say this:
I am a lvl 73 intel pandawa. BUT THIS IS WHAT I DO WHEN I'M GETTING BORED OF MY CHAR ( cuz this is accely the main reason of you're topic he??? u want some nice changes in ur advantages ):

1. I change my build
2. If it doesnt statisfie me... i make me another class
3. If this doesnt statisfie me also... i get me another class and make me a build that is so weird... but good and easy to train...
4. If this doesnt work also... i just make me a random class and do stupid things with my friends... like talking bout everything that comes in my mind ( i sometimes play an hour of 2 on dofus without moving, just making fun with some friends and talk to eachoter... or doing random perc attacks, do random dungeons till we lose etc...or, i give away sum stuff from my account to my friends and start hunting for it again as if i was a noob THATS HOW YOU MAKE THE GAME NICE AND NOT BORING, then they dont need to make changes... so you wont be disappointed

Posted by: spaderocksspade 15 Jul 2009, 07:21

Just a fun Comment here. I completely agree with The orignal topic There isnt enough for level 200's to do

Ive seen level 200's with 50% crimson +20 Turqs What else is there to do? Best gear you can get is at what 19x? Im not 100% sure on that

But they need to get some level 200 Equips and "Cool" items The game is basicly boring if there is nothing to work for at 200... I believe they need some more content. Even at 18x There is very little thats a challenge to get.

This is just my Opinion. I have a few friends that are 200 that have Absolutely Everything Possible. I think its only fair to add a level "200" shovel that doesnt suck like the scythe and sword do.

My biggest fear about 2.0 Is that its going to end up Like wakfu.

This is just my Opinion Get angry if you want agree if you want.


Edit:
I know someones going to make a comment about everything possible ,but you KNOW what I mean by that.

Posted by: Relaehx 15 Jul 2009, 21:03

youbutsu, i love you.
well said man.

dutch, eh

Posted by: Wickedblaze 26 Aug 2009, 18:17

First of all, YOU CAN'T PLAY FOREVER you've achieved your objective, time to quit and try something new.

Second of all, What company doesn't want money? honestly, you should see blizzard with WoW

Third of all, They aren't adding content because they are already busy as hell with wakfu and Dofus 2.0, only mods and some developers are active to update bugs, so just wait for either.

Fourth of all, Blank is one of the greatest guilds in Dofus, not only rushu, but it also has the oldest players, they probably did everything so they decided to quit,

You already achieved your object, you made the greatest guild in dofus, and your one of the best players
---
There are two sides in dofus, every time ankama does something(nerf/buff) a side is happy and the other side goes crazy,the updates are ruining the game, but thats just our side...the other side is happy, its like you have 2 persons are 3 cookies if you give one of them two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you give him two cookies the other guy gets angry, and if you dont give them cookies they die of hunger(What the hell)

Posted by: karyuudan 27 Aug 2009, 09:42

Only that is has taken Amakna 4 years to give the community half a cookie that was expired and caused stomach ache, had a flavour we dont like, charged us twice the usual price for it and forced us to eat it or die from hunger (aka quitting)

Posted by: SilentRevenge 27 Aug 2009, 11:41

1stly, anyone can play as long as they want. Even if he has achieved the goal he set for himself, whats stopping him from setting another? Answer - the new content that ankama has promised but not yet deliverd.

2ndly, you cant seriously want to compare ankama to blizzard -.-

3rdly the ice continent was promised ages ago, as was 2.0 which just seems to be taking an eternity to complete. In the meantime all weve gotten was some lame low level toys (the bandit weapons and all that) and the boosted pvp system.

4th - the most likely reason they quit is because the new content they were awaiting was just not getting any closer to being released, and while they were waiting many of their classes that they have been playing with for years were changed right from underneath them.

Oh and as for you analogy with the cookies, i find it an absolutely briliant description of how ankama is handling the high/epic level players - they are starving to death, so ankama gives them a few cookies >.>

Posted by: Blazeron 28 Aug 2009, 12:19

No, they're not giving them cookies. They are giving them bio rice waffles - enough to keep em alive, but it isn't really tasty at all.

I completely agree with the topic. It's nice to see that i'm not the only one with the problem, and it's nice to see that ankama's recent change of priorities is getting resistance. However, it also hurts to see how much effort is being put in this, considering it's all a big waste. And i'm not just talking about myself, youb probably spent hundreds of hours doing this, too, and everyone else also spent a good amount of time staying up for their rights. And look what happens? No dev is even reading this at all, it will just rot away after a while like everything else here. It's like killerfurby said: if it isn't in french, you can forget it.

And take a look at these forums. I think all the people here spent thousands of hours trying to tell ankama something. Also, consider that i would be way more if the mods wouldn't delete every 2nd topic because it was against ankama's opinion. I think we all spent a lot of heart's blood trying to make ankama fix the game, so there's a reason for us to continue playing. I know, i promised to never lose hope in this issue, but it's not looking good at all. PvM is being ruined, high level players are left without any content, our community is being ignored completely.

After wasting hundreds of hours on the forums here and thousands of hours in the actual game, i kind of don't know what's left to say about it. Actually, i doesn't even matter - i could point out how much it sucks for us high level players for the billionth time, or i could just post nothing at all, it doesn't even matter at all, because my french sucks.

It's not just not coming closer. Actually, it moved away even farther. While there used to be hope that it would be released somewhen, we now know that nothing is gonna happen before dofus 2.0, which won't be out in at least a year.

Posted by: shnyder 28 Aug 2009, 18:32

been playin since beta myself not level 200 chars but a 183 iop and as youb said the game is getting no where for the higher levels yeah we own crap like no ones business but owning the same crap over and over is like watching the same reruns on tv over and over pretty soon you'll know the show word for word without looking at the screen -.- ... their more then 1.5 years behind since if ya think about it dofus never left the beta stages all the crappy changes and loads of bugs and bs we deal with, quite a few of my guildies still think the game itself is beta until 2.0 comes out IF it ever comes out (20 years later 2.0 has arrived and 1 person to play it xD ) im a big time gamer and i do LIKE dofus but i dont like how their promising one thing to subscribers then they pay for a membership to obtain this special prize (the blue jell pet for example ONLY PET to give vitality +150) 2 days later all life pets and hp bonuses are switched to vitality.. but ehh who are we to complain? i mean we are only the people that helped make the game why should WE the people who keep the game going have any say what so ever on what they NEED to stop doing and what they need to focus on, their already working ona 3rd game no idea what it is but their working on a 3rd game and their not even finished with the first one, let alone the 2nd one..

but heck as far this topic goes i completely agree and yeah let it rot away with the ages and ankama not even try to see where were getting at and see just how long dofus will last without players to play it.. it may last quite a while but it wont last much longer in my opinion

Posted by: dymind 15 Sep 2009, 08:35

I might be another "noob" but ive got friends who are pretty damn dissapointed with all these updates. I know peopple who gave up there level 180 characters, sold everything and deleted them because they messed them up so badly they had to make a new character, a different class. I dont see how ankama can do this with all of the servers, I bet that over half of the players that are experienced in the game of dofus, all servers, can find complaints about the game. There can be some over powers, so? it all depends how you take advantage of it. When i was lvl 43, i beat many classes, even int iops and chance enerispas lv 60+ because i worked my ass off getting his gear, doesn't mean its over powered, half of the reason people think classes are over powered is because of the gear and tactics they person has.

Dofus, you can do better than that, honestly think your going to get more people by this? Think that only we care? check around the world, you have english everywhere, french everywhere, everybody everywhere, if you think you can get away with this, I wanna see what your back up plans are.

-Xfyre, lv 98 intel sacrier
Rushu

Posted by: Breadstick 16 Sep 2009, 09:27

thb i think the underlying problem is this... changes meh.. changes are ok, everyone can deal with them no matter the level, if they benefit mid to low levels then great, perhaps we'll get more long term players and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned..

the problem is not changes but lack of content... pure and simple.. we need GMs on the server doing mini events, we need new monsters, new sets and new dungeons... we need things for players of all levels to do, things to aspire to, plan for and work towards..

sadly 2.0... the amazing update isn't an update at all... i play the game on low res, i don't really care that the graphics are a bit dated and the spell animations are re-used time and time again i care about the game play and the tactics... so spending all this time effort and money on making the game identical but prettier is a complete waste as far as I'm concerned.. make the game more engaging not shiny!!!!

p.s. pac-man rules and look at the graphics on that bad boy!

Posted by: ViolatorPL 16 Sep 2009, 17:35

The fu*k is this...
Why the hell they are nerfing cras? Ya for me it's a nerf....
Chance cra? they saw soft caps of cha? it's fu**ing 5:1 from 80cha....
Why they are nerfing agi? taking plaguing weaker Absorbtive. BUT HEY at least BOT's will be happy nd all nubs lvl 1-50........
Let's say we have an agi cra lvl 190+
He want hes spells on 1/2 and he have them.
Hes base agi is 300 since its 5:1 from 300 so max he can is 32X anyway
Since hes quite good and have some overmags he have items that adds 550agi
Hes buffing so 26 bow skill and 200% powerfull shooting (so Critical Hit on both)
Now he have 99dmg (cause he don't have perfect dmg on items) and 281%dmg
Absorbtive: lvl 6 13-24 air dmg and 25-36 air dmg on CH so... 259-394 and 406-542 on CH

hes dmg on full buff is 259 to 542 on 0% res air...........

Is that overpowered?

Once again Ankama want to force players to quit their chars or just complitly change their sets and why? Cause they just don't want to use their heads to make new areas and thats the easiest way to keep players bussy (getting new items)

Posted by: bloody-xvalentine-x 16 Sep 2009, 20:09

I don't really mind the nerf, Violator.
I have a 14x Int Cra with 300 Int.
My damage range is 270 - 693.
I'm pretty content with my damage.

I do see where your coming from OP.
The higher levels need more content that WE can use.
Maybe more dungeons and more chances to get Dofus eggs.

They've been more worried about the pvp changes but what about players that don't pvp?
We should be rewarded too, we're the ones who spend years on our characters.
Ankama should STOP making character's weaker too.
The only reason people shout "overpowered" is because they go against the Twink characters.
The ones with the best gear for their levels that are overmaged and rich.

Its not our fault we're so fucking badass ;D

Posted by: alex-dofus-king 26 Sep 2009, 17:17

games get boring without changes, nerfs are good in a sence, grow up..

Posted by: simomate 26 Sep 2009, 23:08

I am a low level, (46) but, im still an old player in away. I go back 3 years with dofus, I didn't play it back then, but I used to play with my bros. Dofus has changed very much since then, I am starting to lose the spirt. Im scared of 2.0, I don't want to have to quit dofus, because everyone else is. and I dont want the game to look like... THAT

Posted by: tanig 27 Sep 2009, 01:30

A drunk youb here x).
Don't remember the pass to my ecas account (medgix) right now.
First of all: I'm no longer playing. I havent played since I made my good bye topic actually. I'm still lurking around Blanks guildforum (I'm no longer the leader) and thats whats brought me back here in a way. I'm awaiting an answer from someone in my mailbox that will determine a change for 150 customers of Ankama. Thats the only thing keeping me around 1 hour per week. Got no more to say, really. Hope you accept that!

This topic has gotten way out of hand, but I appreciate those who still stick at it as you, Blazeron (late reply but what the hell ).
I didn't make this topic to attack Ankama. I made it because we needed to get their attention, and no other way seemed to be working. I'm not afraid to get banned or sanctioned. I'm done with the game, therefor a ban wouldn't harm me. Thats why I chosed to step up and speak freely. Still, I won't deny I was angry and irrational.
I spent 100's of hours complaining and thinking about how to solve the issue. Then I contacted an allied guild from Jiva server (Mugen-Kumi). As the leader I was, I thought it would be wise to try and get some sort of mutual agreement with a guild from another French server to get some inside information and also get a peek into updates before many other international players (god I must have missed a comma or two in that longass sentence). I was getting translations of modifications several hours before our community did thanks to those people. They were also getting ingame tips from Blank. Rushu has evolved faster then Jiva and we have an equal amount of "dofus knowledge" to share. Rushu got technology and Jiva got experience.
Members of that guild translated my issue (with major faults... but still understandable and also it got corrected) over at Jeuxonline (French dofus forum) and it got some extreme response from the French community. Some good, some bad. If I remember it right, it was close to 40 pages of response to this particular topic.
Anyway, Sylfaen (French CCM/Admin), Lichen (Developer/admin/CCM) and Nabolo (Spanish CCM/Admin) got noticed of the topic. They responded with answering over at JoL, at Imps Village and even here at this forums with creating the section "Talk with the Dofus Team" and assigning our temporary CCM, Nabolo. We also got the new kickass translator Harvestpale (dude change nick, seriously!). Harvestpale had nothing to do with me though. They were recruiting him before I made this topic but it passed my eyes and I made a mistake by thinking otherwise. Believe me, you couldn't have gotten a more devoted translator then this .

I didn't lie when I wrote about how many members Blank was losing. They all quit actually. Even I got tired and quit. Many loved members such as Devilix deleted their level 200 characters (which was fully geared) to make sure they wouldn't come back. Can't blame us, can you? Still there's nothing for us to do. Blank got new members and the guild is full again. Still it's a loss for the server, the community and also Ankama. They were too slow but they are aware.

However...
They are recruiting a new Community Manager. There is no one in training, because the one they had in mind wasn't allowed to stay in the country. If you have the age, are mature, got some sort of experience, are native French/Canadian etc and speak good English - go apply god damnit.
There is a new kickass translator who even takes the time to respond to every single "translating post" here at forums. NEVER during my 4 years of playing I've seen such devotion from an official Ankama employee. Kaoly and Echt were also both great in my eyes, so don't forget about them.
Dofus 2.0 is coming out December 2. There is no possible way that Ankama will miss that deadline since they've gone public with it. It would simply hurt them too much. In other words, don't worry about it. This time you can definitive trust them.
After Dofus 2.0 they are focusing 100% on Ice Continent which they also has gone public with.
New content is coming. They know they are late and many players will quit waiting and decide to move on. Still, they are working on what the players of the communities are asking for.

About this forum:
It's ridiculous. 90% of the content here puts a huge smile on my face. So many of you have no idea what you're talking about - yet you try to act clever and have the moderators clean up your mess.
Use the damn search function, don't answer topics with irrelevant crap, don't give out false and made up information/tips/ideas and stop questioning Ankamas work. They ARE working on making it better.

Good luck with the new client everyone, and I hope most of you stick around to see what the new content will be like. Afterall, Dofus has its own charm and even with 2.0 it still will.

Heads up to Blaz .

/youb