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Treechnid Hugger |
 1 Apr 2009, 10:08
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[News] DOFUS version 1.27: PvP quests and Strokens!
 DOFUS version 1.27 is arriving on 7 April 2009! Join the war between Bonta and Brakmar and make the most of the improved PvP Quests and the all new Strokens that you can win when you complete them! PvP Quests appeared in version DOFUS 1.26 with the purpose of encouraging players to try their hand at PvP (player versus player) combat and to show them how to evolve their characters in this way. These quests come in the form of contracts to attack other characters: if you succeed in making the hit in a balanced fight, you’ll gain experience points.  In 1.27, we have made PvP quests more interesting and accessible for all players by making them easier to take part in and by improving the rewards you can gain from them. First of all, the XP gained from these quests has increased by 50% so as PvP combat will become a profitable alternative to fighting monsters when evolving your character. We have also introduced all-new rewards for the PvP Quests, with an exciting innovation: Strokens! Every time you win in a PvP Quest, you’ll get 2 Strokens on top of the XP and Kamas. Strokens are tokens which are specific to your character and which you can collect and exchange for various items with the NPC who hands out the PvP Quests in your city. Strokens can be exchanged for characteristics scrolls: - a small scroll for 2 tokens. - a medium scroll for 3 tokens. - a great scroll for 5 tokens. - a powerful scroll for 16 tokens. - a spell point scroll for 100 tokens. You can also exchange them for Spiritual Gems which contain the souls of various dungeon monsters (so long as the character is of a high enough level to use the gem in question): From level 50: Spiritual Gem of the Famished Sunflower, for 3 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Gobball, for 4 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Shin Larva, for 6 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Sponge Mob, for 6 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Bworkette, for 7 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Golden Scarabugly, for 8 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Ancestral Treechnid, for 9 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Blue Jelly, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Coco Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Cherry Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Indigo Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Pippin Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the White Rat, for 13 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Black Rat, for 14 tokens. From level 60: Spiritual Gem of the Wa Wabbit, for 10 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Great Coralator, for 13 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Lord Crow, for 16 tokens. From level 70: Spiritual Gem of the Legendary Crackler, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Tanukoui San, for 12 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Koolich, for 15 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Mint Jelly, for 19 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Strawberry Jelly, for 19 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Lemon Jelly, for 19 tokens. From level 80: Spiritual Gem of the Royal Tofu, for 10 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Sewer Keeper, for 13 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Minotoror, for 14 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Gourlo the Terrible, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Moowolf, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Rainbow Blop, for 19 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Moon, for 20 tokens. From level 100: Spiritual Gem of the Dark Vlad, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Pandora Master, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Skeunk, for 18 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Dragon Pig, for 20 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Peki Peki, for 32 tokens. From level 110: Spiritual Gem of the Tynril, for 22 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Silf the Greater Bherb, for 26 tokens. From level 120: Spiritual Gem of the Crocabulia, for 30 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Sphincter Cell, for 30 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Bworker, for 38 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Soft Oak, for 38 tokens. From level 140: Spiritual Gem of the Minotot, for 28 tokens. From level 150: Spiritual Gem of the Kimbo, for 46 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Ougaa, for 48 tokens. PvP quests with Strokens allow players to not only gain XP and Kamas, but also to evolve their character’s characteristics with scrolls or to obtain Soul Stones that they may not have been able to find on their own. What’s more, you won’t need to be under contract yourself anymore to benefit from PvP Quest gains! If your character is made the target of another player and you succeed in beating them in a balanced combat*, you’ll win half the award meant for them (1 Stroken and half the experience)! *Balanced combat: The level of a team is equal to the level of the strongest + the level of the second strongest/2 + the level of the third strongest/3 etc. The losing team must have at least 80% of the level of the winning team and have less than 20 levels of difference (unless the teams aren’t made up of at least 2 players).   |
  
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Tanukou |
1 Apr 2009, 10:26
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get wa wabbit soul ->
drops great scrolls (5 tokens each) + fabric  this is an awesome idea though =) |
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Moowoolf Slicer |
1 Apr 2009, 11:54
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The stroken idea is cool.
More xp is good to..more people will definately do PvP Quests! |
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Royal Tofu Plucker |
1 Apr 2009, 11:54
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Great, now all aligned players are gonna get jumped all the time even when we just want to collect resources and mind our own business. Yes, it is a nice alternative to fighting mosters, but some of us ENJOY fighting the monsters and not fighting other players. Price of scrolling mats will go through the floor I reckon. Certainly a welcome change for higher levels who want to quickly beef up alt accounts. I can see a bunch of fully scrolled low-levels going around killing newbies and getting lots of strokens now. What a great way to ruin a good system - give everything to everyone - socialism at it's best. No more working hard to get somewhere.
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Gobkool Shearer |
1 Apr 2009, 12:20
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QUOTE (Lucky-Spector @ 1 Apr 2009, 11:54)  Great, now all aligned players are gonna get jumped all the time even when we just want to collect resources and mind our own business. Yes, it is a nice alternative to fighting mosters, but some of us ENJOY fighting the monsters and not fighting other players. Price of scrolling mats will go through the floor I reckon. Certainly a welcome change for higher levels who want to quickly beef up alt accounts. I can see a bunch of fully scrolled low-levels going around killing newbies and getting lots of strokens now. What a great way to ruin a good system - give everything to everyone - socialism at it's best. No more working hard to get somewhere. Rofl. Do you realize how hard it is to fight and beat someone in fair combat? All those gangers, people who spend most time in arena of opposite alignment... You have to fight 10 fair fights for that wa wabbit soul. If you think that is so easy, give it a shot.... |
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Moon Hammerer |
1 Apr 2009, 12:23
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This is an awesome idea! 9 pvp victories = skeunk soul, skeunk skin = 20mk.
 With a decent team will take about 20-30 souls to drop it This post has been edited by eotkodekff: 1 Apr 2009, 12:23 |
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Tofu Stroker |
1 Apr 2009, 12:23
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Can I get for example Royal Gobball soul if Im 140+?
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Gobkool Shearer |
1 Apr 2009, 12:43
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QUOTE (YourCraftsman @ 1 Apr 2009, 13:23) Can I get for example Royal Gobball soul if Im 140+? Yeah you can. Skeunk soul is only good thing i saw, not like il spend infinity to gain kimbo soul. |
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Royal Tofu Plucker |
1 Apr 2009, 12:51
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QUOTE (Amicusmagnus @ 1 Apr 2009, 12:20) Rofl. Do you realize how hard it is to fight and beat someone in fair combat? All those gangers, people who spend most time in arena of opposite alignment... You have to fight 10 fair fights for that wa wabbit soul. If you think that is so easy, give it a shot.... I realize how EASY it is for some lvl 60 account that is completely scrolled to 101 in all stats and has a nice level 100 dragoturkey to ride on, and a nice set of Dofus to beat up a level 45 account that doesn't have squat. Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems to meet the criteria laid out in the post quite easily. All one has to do is walk around Astrub, collect up these fights, trade the strokens for whatever they want and hand it off to their high level account. WOW, how abusive of the system do you want to be - they are making it quite easy for you. I see so many newbs in Astrub with their little white wings proudly displayed. All ripe for the plucking. Will definitely be easier than collecting diamonds and scrolling mats |
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Moopet Master |
1 Apr 2009, 15:03
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QUOTE (Lucky-Spector @ 1 Apr 2009, 13:51) I realize how EASY it is for some lvl 60 account that is completely scrolled to 101 in all stats and has a nice level 100 dragoturkey to ride on, and a nice set of Dofus to beat up a level 45 account that doesn't have squat. Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems to meet the criteria laid out in the post quite easily. All one has to do is walk around Astrub, collect up these fights, trade the strokens for whatever they want and hand it off to their high level account. WOW, how abusive of the system do you want to be - they are making it quite easy for you. I see so many newbs in Astrub with their little white wings proudly displayed. All ripe for the plucking. Will definitely be easier than collecting diamonds and scrolling mats My words. What lvl 60 shall I make for PvP and hax it out? New players are dead. Or better not get wings themselves. Actually I dont care, I prolly wont do it. |
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Dragon Pig Pillager |
1 Apr 2009, 16:01
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it say it is for the QUESTS? dont you have to get them from the NPC? SO you should not get the strokens (silly name, makes me smile) unless you have the appropriate quest
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Gobball Breeder |
1 Apr 2009, 16:19
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QUOTE (Teskeria @ 1 Apr 2009, 10:01) Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it say it is for the QUESTS? dont you have to get them from the NPC? SO you should not get the strokens (silly name, makes me smile) unless you have the appropriate quest So if hypothetically someone were to make a fully scrolled lv 60 character with a lv 100 mount, they'd still need to get their target from a quest and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the targets can only be 60 and up? If you're under 60 you can't be the target of a pvp quest. So that gets rid of the whole lv 60 attacking lv 45's and etc. |
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Thrower of Barbrossa |
1 Apr 2009, 16:25
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Wow, more new content exclusive to PvP. When will Ankama realize that the people who want PvP are only a minority and start making some content for the rest of us?
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Arachnophobe |
1 Apr 2009, 16:30
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QUOTE (Eggrolls @ 1 Apr 2009, 08:19) So if hypothetically someone were to make a fully scrolled lv 60 character with a lv 100 mount, they'd still need to get their target from a quest and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the targets can only be 60 and up? If you're under 60 you can't be the target of a pvp quest. So that gets rid of the whole lv 60 attacking lv 45's and etc. it's 50 but yes if your a lower level then that you can't be targeted. |
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Piglet Tracker |
1 Apr 2009, 16:58
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The rewards on pvp must be the badest idea since... eh... well the 10% unhealable damage.
To be honest this updates lvls out a lof of differences that should have been corrected since long ago. Enis, srams and sacs should have been stoped a looong time ago. The bad thing about this is that ankama took so long to bring the updates. But the idea of awarding soloplay and pvp play is plain bad. It will be the target of missuse and only benefit the pure, ganging pvp ppl. And giving out scrolls for this? Come on! You could just hand us all 101 base stats in each element. You should take more care in introducing revisions like this. Why do it all at once? Phone-bone |
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Mufafah Rider |
1 Apr 2009, 17:00
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Hmm.
I do feel that this system is open to abuse, if you get the char. scrolls, like, in your inventory. Wouldn't it be better if they make the scrolls character-bound, like the strokens? Anyway, I do feel that this has a great side-effect in that it will probably make kama-selling sites less attractive. Free scrolls > lowers resource prices Lower resource prices > bots make less money Bots make less money > kama selling sites have less to sell Kama selling sites have less to sell > increased kama price Increased kama price > people buy less kamas. And that's good ! At least, in my opinion it is.. fights off the roots of the problem. A little drawback I can think of is when I think of wis xelors... Since everybody's gonna be able to scroll wis easily, they kinda lose their edge a little. Although I would expect that higher level chars have scrolled their wis to start with. All in all, I think this is a positive change, save for the few flaws it contains. |
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Piglet Tracker |
1 Apr 2009, 19:02
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If i'm not mistaking kamasellers dont base their kamas on resource selling but on gaining cash from killing flower and other stuff that gives a large amount of kamas compared to lvl.
So resource prices will mostly effect hihg lvl guilds wich have percs in such places. So this will NOT help on kamafarmers. On another issue: Since you cant heal that 10% damage you wll now find yourself pretty much dead in 15 turns in dungeons that are challenging for you, no matter if you have an eni or not. So you basically need fecas and high damage dealers. Bringing an osa could be very usefull too since they can use cc weapons, heal and spam mobs with summons to avoid your team being hit. Anjulica has a great post on how enis are still a powerfull char but i still get the feeling the reduction on number of healing spells used in a fight + the 10% damage it will be like it was for wis xelors with the 1.26 update. Hard to manage but still better than starting over. Phone-Bone |
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Gobball Breeder |
1 Apr 2009, 19:37
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In advance sorry for my language but...: ARE YOU GUYS RETARDED OR SOMETHING.
Once again I think ankama is giving PvP-ers too many privileges. And I sincerely think it s destroying the game. Over the years I realised that I like dofus for its community, or most of it. But the way ankama has been acting in her PvP efforts attracts many bad people: people that don t care about others and make PvP builds for their own good and nothing else. What happens now is that I hang out with a group of friends, or try to go somewhere and halfway..... some idiot decides to aggro one of us. Of coarse we always help each other out if possible (and after that they accuse us of ganging them an d start to hunt u for revenge  ). Nevertheless we can t always do that or will always win. And it sure is annoying to have one important teammate killed 1 map in front of koolich dungeon (which took us 1 hour to get to) or somewhere else. Besides it can delay your team so much people have to leave halfway a dungeon. Things ankama should do against this are : make the killed character come back alive on the map they re on and make people put their wings down without a penalty (seriously why would we get a penalty for that). As last I want to mention I do like a lot of the things ankama does like trying to balance chars and add new content (which isn t appreciated by many because it potentially make their chars weaker). But once again: they re really going to far on the PvP content. Dofus isn t a real PvP game (or has ever been). If you want to PvP: there s a lot of other games on the net that focus on that. And for christs sake if u really want to PvP there s a friendly way to do it in challenges, in my opinion the perfect PvP for dofus (together with prism fight u can volunteerly join). Well I hope I made my point once more...... Everyone have fun playing dofus, "make love not war", Dokah |
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Arachnophobe |
1 Apr 2009, 19:51
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I agree with DOKAH, I personally do NOT like to pvp. I play this game to relax, kill monsters, and chat with friends. I don't play it so that some jerk can come along and attack me just before I get to a dung or while i'm just messing around with friends. If the opponent alignment asks (because of quests) if they can aggro me..I usually agree... because at that time.. i'm not in the middle of things. To reward people who just go around killing others is not only disagreeable to me, but also causes this game to lose its appeal to me. Please reconsider this idea to reward pvp. Thanks;) MB
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Arachnophobe |
1 Apr 2009, 19:51
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ok i love this new pvp thing i have a sac and it is realy hard trying to lvl it up and have it try and get resources to scroll it and face it not everyone is rich so i have done pvp just for my wings now i have a real reason to do it other than wings i love this update atleat 2 goods things come from this update dopples and stokens
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Gobball Breeder |
1 Apr 2009, 20:00
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QUOTE (championjk @ 1 Apr 2009, 20:51) ok i love this new pvp thing i have a sac and it is realy hard trying to lvl it up and have it try and get resources to scroll it and face it not everyone is rich so i have done pvp just for my wings now i have a real reason to do it other than wings i love this update atleat 2 goods things come from this update dopples and stokens Ok here s something to think about: rich people>good sets poor people>bad sets. So are you (apparently poor) gonna get richer or are the rich getting even richer without much effort? |
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Kitsou Beater |
1 Apr 2009, 20:16
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Dofus Brainstorming session (in French of course)
Employee 1: Oh I have a great idea boss absolutely great idea. We'll introduce content so that you no longer have to be good at killing monsters to level. Employee 2: Um ok, do you mean like doing lots of fetch quests that are difficult but don't require too much monster killing and give decent xp? Employee 1: What no nobody wants interesting quests. Where'd you get that stupid idea? I'm talking about encouraging players to kill each other without regard for what the other might be doing. I can just see it it'll be great. Boss: Yeah that sounds good and we could make the benefits be something like more xp than 10 monster fights, and the ability to get a characteristic scroll that would normally take 100 or more monster fights worth of drops. Employee 2: Ok I see where you're going but don't you think this would encourage certain players to do NOTHING but pvp to the detriment of the community. And it opens abuse during the lower levels where overmaged equipments already provide unfair advantages. Boss: Oh don't be silly pvp abuse has only been mild so far, there's no reason to think it will get worse. And I don't know what you're talking about. Most low level characters can't even afford overmaged equipments. Employee 2: Well yes understandably most can't afford overmaged equipments. With the exception of those that already have a main character with lots of kamas/equipment. That one section (and kama buyers of course) will have a distinct advantage in abusing the system. And they're the ones that already have advantages. Employee 1: I don't get where you're going with this. I mean you seem to be suggesting that this system that I just thought of off the top of my head is potentially 'abusable'. How could that possibly be the case. We haven't even implemented it yet, how could someone abuse it? Employee 2: Well like I just said. And this might also encourage a pure pvp character. One designed sololy to hunt others and make use of any and all cheap tactics and class imbalances. Not to mention potential ganging. Boss: I've heard enough. This idea is great. There is absolutely no potential for abuse and like Employee 1 said everyone has been clamoring for balanced pvp ever since we ruined the prism system. I can't see any way where this would potentially be unbalanced. Do it. Oh and by the way Employee 2 your negative attitude is a serious hindrance to our work environment. I'm moving you to another team. Employee 2: But sir I'm the only competent programmer you have. Employee 1 has only ever written bug filled code that results in game crashes and fights that take forever. We still haven't fixed the sram invisibility bug that he wrote 2 years ago. This post has been edited by H-a-m-m-e-r: 1 Apr 2009, 20:20 |
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Blop Gulper |
1 Apr 2009, 21:01
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Do these souls drop items?
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Kitsou Beater |
1 Apr 2009, 21:26
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QUOTE (Mafaldrag @ 1 Apr 2009, 11:08) DOFUS version 1.27 is arriving on 7 April 2009! Join the war between Bonta and Brakmar and make the most of the improved PvP Quests and the all new Strokens that you can win when you complete them! PvP Quests appeared in version DOFUS 1.26 with the purpose of encouraging players to try their hand at PvP (player versus player) combat and to show them how to evolve their characters in this way. These quests come in the form of contracts to attack other characters: if you succeed in making the hit in a balanced fight, you’ll gain experience points.  In 1.27, we have made PvP quests more interesting and accessible for all players by making them easier to take part in and by improving the rewards you can gain from them. First of all, the XP gained from these quests has increased by 50% so as PvP combat will become a profitable alternative to fighting monsters when evolving your character. We have also introduced all-new rewards for the PvP Quests, with an exciting innovation: Strokens! Every time you win in a PvP Quest, you’ll get 2 Strokens on top of the XP and Kamas. Strokens are tokens which are specific to your character and which you can collect and exchange for various items with the NPC who hands out the PvP Quests in your city. Strokens can be exchanged for characteristics scrolls: - a small scroll for 2 tokens. - a medium scroll for 3 tokens. - a great scroll for 5 tokens. - a powerful scroll for 16 tokens. - a spell point scroll for 100 tokens. You can also exchange them for Spiritual Gems which contain the souls of various dungeon monsters (so long as the character is of a high enough level to use the gem in question): From level 50: Spiritual Gem of the Famished Sunflower, for 3 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Gobball, for 4 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Shin Larva, for 6 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Sponge Mob, for 6 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Bworkette, for 7 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Golden Scarabugly, for 8 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Ancestral Treechnid, for 9 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Blue Jelly, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Coco Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Cherry Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Indigo Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Pippin Blop, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the White Rat, for 13 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Black Rat, for 14 tokens. From level 60: Spiritual Gem of the Wa Wabbit, for 10 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Great Coralator, for 13 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Lord Crow, for 16 tokens. From level 70: Spiritual Gem of the Legendary Crackler, for 11 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Tanukoui San, for 12 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Koolich, for 15 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Mint Jelly, for 19 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Strawberry Jelly, for 19 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Lemon Jelly, for 19 tokens. From level 80: Spiritual Gem of the Royal Tofu, for 10 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Sewer Keeper, for 13 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Minotoror, for 14 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Gourlo the Terrible, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Moowolf, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Royal Rainbow Blop, for 19 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Moon, for 20 tokens. From level 100: Spiritual Gem of the Dark Vlad, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Pandora Master, for 16 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Skeunk, for 18 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Dragon Pig, for 20 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Peki Peki, for 32 tokens. From level 110: Spiritual Gem of the Tynril, for 22 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Silf the Greater Bherb, for 26 tokens. From level 120: Spiritual Gem of the Crocabulia, for 30 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Sphincter Cell, for 30 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Bworker, for 38 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Soft Oak, for 38 tokens. From level 140: Spiritual Gem of the Minotot, for 28 tokens. From level 150: Spiritual Gem of the Kimbo, for 46 tokens. Spiritual Gem of the Ougaa, for 48 tokens. PvP quests with Strokens allow players to not only gain XP and Kamas, but also to evolve their character’s characteristics with scrolls or to obtain Soul Stones that they may not have been able to find on their own. What’s more, you won’t need to be under contract yourself anymore to benefit from PvP Quest gains! If your character is made the target of another player and you succeed in beating them in a balanced combat*, you’ll win half the award meant for them (1 Stroken and half the experience)! *Balanced combat: The level of a team is equal to the level of the strongest + the level of the second strongest/2 + the level of the third strongest/3 etc. The losing team must have at least 80% of the level of the winning team and have less than 20 levels of difference (unless the teams aren’t made up of at least 2 players).   This doesn't make sense. If they can't get the soul on their own or with a group what good does it do to be able to get it this way? |
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Gobball Breeder |
1 Apr 2009, 22:13
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You re just fabulous hammer, masterfull piece of writing. By the way could this part of the update be some bad april first joke? I d like to hope so
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Arachnophobe |
1 Apr 2009, 22:43
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Well, I, too, consider this as dumb as the 10% health loss thingy.
Sometimes ppl need to be aligned (I had to for being able to reap rice in pandala), but I was never planning to becoming this or that. I do not want to be pushed towards alignment, to not fall back in evolving - behind the max scrolled billion earning bont/braks, just for being neutral. Very dumb idea, indeed. So it is as described above. Be level >60, align, because you need home potion or rice and Tadaaa, you're a nice target for fights you do NOT want at all. Sorry, but this makes the game much less desirable for me. AND, ppl who kill enough others are rewarded by becoming unbeatable, even in a friendly challenge. No, dear ankama many of the new ideas are just laid out to drive "fun-players" off the game. But maybe FUN ain't coming into it, anymore... AND: IF this was thought to be a joke, it ist NOT a really funny one, not after the eni-thing you were hatching or the xelor crippeling... 
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Kimbo Barber |
1 Apr 2009, 23:03
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I'm certainly going pvp more once dofus 1.27 arrives.
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Ouginak Torturer |
2 Apr 2009, 00:14
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QUOTE (Amicusmagnus @ 1 Apr 2009, 13:20) Rofl. Do you realize how hard it is to fight and beat someone in fair combat? All those gangers, people who spend most time in arena of opposite alignment... You have to fight 10 fair fights for that wa wabbit soul. If you think that is so easy, give it a shot.... I'm pretty sure you only have to win 5 fights. Depending on your level, that can be done very fast. I bet a lot of high-level players will make smaller PvP characters with insane gear (ex. give them Dofuses) and make them PvP for tokens, for souls. April 1st, oh god let this be a joke! |
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Gobball Breeder |
2 Apr 2009, 00:17
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If you don't like pvp, don't join an allignment made solely for pvp. Seriously.
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Arachnophobe |
2 Apr 2009, 00:30
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Hammer...that was beautiful to read!
There are several benefits to alignment including drops, being able to get around through prisms or gathering in one of the pandalas, oddly enough the only times I've been agressed have been when wearing wisdom or prospecting gear, which pretty much ruins combat effectiveness when you are getting hunted by someone geared up to fight another player. Oh, I take it back - I've been aggressed afk many times as well. So what is the issue with Ankama forcing PvP on us? Makes perfect sense on the heroic server; but on all of them? I'm still disappointed Enu's lack a respectable AoE.
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Mopy King Cleaner |
2 Apr 2009, 01:46
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i hate it when people complain about p2p getting too much stuff. DEAL WITH IT! they pay for it, which you dont!
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Gobball Breeder |
2 Apr 2009, 01:57
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QUOTE (Phatballerz @ 2 Apr 2009, 02:46) i hate it when people complain about p2p getting too much stuff. DEAL WITH IT! they pay for it, which you dont! I beleive that the majority of people here are complaining about PVP players receiving too much attention, not P2P players. |
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Kitsou Beater |
2 Apr 2009, 02:02
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QUOTE (Al-liance @ 2 Apr 2009, 01:17) If you don't like pvp, don't join an allignment made solely for pvp. Seriously. You're blatantly wrong. Alignments are not solely pvp. They come with benefits for pvm, financial, and movement abilities that have nothing to do with pvp. Just as soon as that changes you can bet the number of people with wings will drop. Dofus forces alignments for certain benefits (and even areas with unique monsters and resources, so I have no idea how you can claim its strictly pvp). Dofus literally had to bribe everyone to decide they wanted to allow themselves to be involved in battles they could not choose. This post has been edited by H-a-m-m-e-r: 2 Apr 2009, 03:23 |
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Kimbo Barber |
2 Apr 2009, 02:11
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QUOTE (Phatballerz @ 2 Apr 2009, 02:46) i hate it when people complain about p2p getting too much stuff. DEAL WITH IT! they pay for it, which you dont! You tell them those f2p!!!!
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Minotot Deboner |
2 Apr 2009, 02:32
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QUOTE (H-a-m-m-e-r @ 1 Apr 2009, 20:02) Alignments aren't not solely pvp. They come with benefits for pvm, financial, and movement abilities that have nothing to do with pvp. This in itself is the problem with alignments. If the PvP system... which is what the alignment system actually is... didn't offer non-PvP related bribes to entice players to participate then only those with a true interest in PvP would join the PvP system, and those with no interest in PvP would not be penalized for opting out of that system. So... if all the non-PvP related benefits were removed from the PvP system, the problem would be as well. |
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Mopy King Cleaner |
2 Apr 2009, 03:15
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Uhmm I like the idea.. to point something out.. The quests only work for people with wings up anyways so it's not like people can target anyone not interested in PvP.
Now as said PvP is forced on players including finishing certain sets, gaining certain bonuses and accessing parts of the game, so that would be rectified.. but all in all this is the only part of 1.27 I'm liking. *Travis |
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Gobkool Shearer |
2 Apr 2009, 03:42
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twow a lot of you people are dum! If you don't want to get argoed just keep your stupid wings off and what do you mean it will lead to people ganging you because they wwont get the tokens if they do. then like no people are scrolled at 60 so you can pull that stick out of ur butt right now. pvp is going to be much difrent with the new init and health update as well. then people are complaining that that suck at pvp because they are poor? dang get of ur lazy but an make money then its not dificult if you really want it and pvp isn't all about sets you can outsmart your enemy also
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Larva |
2 Apr 2009, 05:24
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QUOTE (lkjubgvh @ 2 Apr 2009, 04:42) twow a lot of you people are dum! If you don't want to get argoed just keep your stupid wings off and what do you mean it will lead to people ganging you because they wwont get the tokens if they do. then like no people are scrolled at 60 so you can pull that stick out of ur butt right now. pvp is going to be much difrent with the new init and health update as well. then people are complaining that that suck at pvp because they are poor? dang get of ur lazy but an make money then its not dificult if you really want it and pvp isn't all about sets you can outsmart your enemy also I completely agree. You are all complaining of being aggressed while you use your wings for purposes other than pvp. If you don't want to be aggressed when you are getting to a dungeon etc. put your wings down. From what it sounds like the only honor you have is 0 or the honor you got from beating a headhunter. There should be no problems losing 0-5 honor when you don't rank your wings anyways. And also, my main is a level 72 enu which I just started pvp and it is not hard. My armor is not the best but it is the tactics that have let me beat several level 100+ characters. So what it seems like is that us/you low levels are trying to get away with not working hard to accomplish something. So stop crying about an issue that you can fix with the click of 3 buttons; conquest tab, disable/enable pvp, and yes disable/enable. It seems to me that you guys obviously have not tried to put your armor on before a fight becase there is plenty of time to, I have several times myself. Peace ~ shadows-coin ~ This post has been edited by asdjkfasdlkvnj: 2 Apr 2009, 05:26 |
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Gobball Breeder |
2 Apr 2009, 06:28
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QUOTE (Al-liance @ 2 Apr 2009, 01:17) If you don't like pvp, don't join an allignment made solely for pvp. Seriously. Many people have to be aligned to access firefoux dungeon, kill zoths, cut bamboo woods and gatherr rice. This is why people who don t want to PvP have to pick alignment (not to mention to complete some sets with a shield). |
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Pikoko Pilot |
2 Apr 2009, 06:28
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I can't believe noone pointed this out yet. Many people describe PVP, especially 1vs1 agressions, as comparing your E-PENIS size... and now the reward you get for that are STROKEns... oh the IRONY
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Arachnophobe |
2 Apr 2009, 07:09
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QUOTE (Lucky-Spector @ 1 Apr 2009, 13:51) I realize how EASY it is for some lvl 60 account that is completely scrolled to 101 in all stats and has a nice level 100 dragoturkey to ride on, and a nice set of Dofus to beat up a level 45 account that doesn't have squat. Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems to meet the criteria laid out in the post quite easily. All one has to do is walk around Astrub, collect up these fights, trade the strokens for whatever they want and hand it off to their high level account. WOW, how abusive of the system do you want to be - they are making it quite easy for you. I see so many newbs in Astrub with their little white wings proudly displayed. All ripe for the plucking. Will definitely be easier than collecting diamonds and scrolling mats you can always put your wings down! i for one will be hunting SO souls in friggin Astrub tyvm |
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Ouginak Torturer |
2 Apr 2009, 07:15
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This is only a bad update for people which suck balls at the game or idiots that don't know how to turn off their wings. Both of them deserved to be aggressed. If memory serves me right you don't actually need your wings to be UP to go in any aligned territories.
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Larva |
2 Apr 2009, 08:25
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im sure it will be the worst update in history of dofus update... You finally did it.Congratulations...
I liked dofus bec it was original .Now ur making it like other games. You are changing system completely. I want to say something bad too.But can t write it on forum.You ll lose many players after this update anyway. Change it!!! change all!! add new 100000 classses new bad spells and change all system everytime ok????? finish ur own game... |
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Moopet Master |
2 Apr 2009, 09:48
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The update isn't that bad. It brings a lot of changes, but not o them are bad. I don't see what everyone is so angry about. To start with some of the changes announced aren't final.
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Moon Hammerer |
2 Apr 2009, 10:08
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QUOTE (OwnedJooNoob @ 2 Apr 2009, 07:15) This is only a bad update for people which suck balls at the game or idiots that don't know how to turn off their wings. Both of them deserved to be aggressed. If memory serves me right you don't actually need your wings to be UP to go in any aligned territories. Fools, quit complaining and be thankful for once. Correct. |
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Dreggon Breaker |
2 Apr 2009, 13:05
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From what I've read so far all the outrage boils down to 4 kinds of people:
1. Those who cannot be pleased no matter what you do, they whine about events and when one comes along they trash it, they ask for new contents but everything seems to be not to their liking. Only way to deal with these people is to ignore the fuss they make because no matter what you do you will always be doing it wrongly. 2. Those who have been playing for long and have had it hard when the game was still in its early making, they will welcome any changes that can still benefit them like the mass craft button but will be against any changes that will make it easier for newer players to achieve what they achieved with less effort and time spent, some of them don't welcome change in general and remind me of old veterans like my grand father who would rather send a letter by post than to acknowledge email, talking all the time how we get it easy now being able to ride a bus to school when in his times they had to walk miles. To please those people you need to stop trying to evolve, take risks, and try new things. 3. Those who are hurt by the changes to their characters and are taking it out on other positive updates to make it all look like a bad move, some of them will quit the game and stop being a hassle and others will learn to cope with the new changes and grow less aggressive. Time will solve it when it comes to those people. 4. Those who seriously dislike PVP and feel it's unfair people involved in PVP get an advantage, that when they do it their way it's harder, longer, and more frustrating.. I feel for those people and I kind of fall into this category with one tweak, that I think to each their own.. If this new update will make it easier for some who enjoy killing others it will make it easier for others too when scroll prices fall due to overflow. Those people will either learn to cope and find new money making strategies or will burn out and quit. Telling people they can put their wings down will NOT work because to them, there is more to it. You will still be able to do dungeons if you like to (Dopple keys will even make it easier) while those who don't can just get the bosses inside a stone for doing what THEY like. You will still be able to farm/buy scroll mats if that's your thing. Stop trying to sculpt the game to your own taste when many others with different tastes play the same game. In short, no matter what you yell about here I don't think Ankama will be canceling the update because of an angry/frustrated/anti-change bunch. This post has been edited by TurtleWings: 2 Apr 2009, 13:09 |
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Tofu Stroker |
2 Apr 2009, 14:41
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QUOTE (Al-liance @ 2 Apr 2009, 01:17) If you don't like pvp, don't join an allignment made solely for pvp. Seriously. farmer,alchemist,lumberjack,anyone who wants to fight dopples or zoths has to be aligned. Aligment isn't solely for pvp,i myself are brak and have been brak since i was a lvl 50 farmer so i could farm rice. my alt is brak so she can go fight dopples,zoths etc. This post has been edited by hatlessmandy: 2 Apr 2009, 14:42 |
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Tanukou |
2 Apr 2009, 14:41
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too the people showing excessive rectum pain about more pvp content: there is more pvm content now too
more spells dopples so what're you whining 'bout? |
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Dragon Pig Pillager |
2 Apr 2009, 17:31
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QUOTE (TurtleWings @ 2 Apr 2009, 13:05) From what I've read so far all the outrage boils down to 4 kinds of people: 1. Those who cannot be pleased no matter what you do, they whine about events and when one comes along they trash it, they ask for new contents but everything seems to be not to their liking. Only way to deal with these people is to ignore the fuss they make because no matter what you do you will always be doing it wrongly. 2. Those who have been playing for long and have had it hard when the game was still in its early making, they will welcome any changes that can still benefit them like the mass craft button but will be against any changes that will make it easier for newer players to achieve what they achieved with less effort and time spent, some of them don't welcome change in general and remind me of old veterans like my grand father who would rather send a letter by post than to acknowledge email, talking all the time how we get it easy now being able to ride a bus to school when in his times they had to walk miles. To please those people you need to stop trying to evolve, take risks, and try new things. 3. Those who are hurt by the changes to their characters and are taking it out on other positive updates to make it all look like a bad move, some of them will quit the game and stop being a hassle and others will learn to cope with the new changes and grow less aggressive. Time will solve it when it comes to those people. 4. Those who seriously dislike PVP and feel it's unfair people involved in PVP get an advantage, that when they do it their way it's harder, longer, and more frustrating.. I feel for those people and I kind of fall into this category with one tweak, that I think to each their own.. If this new update will make it easier for some who enjoy killing others it will make it easier for others too when scroll prices fall due to overflow. Those people will either learn to cope and find new money making strategies or will burn out and quit. Telling people they can put their wings down will NOT work because to them, there is more to it. You will still be able to do dungeons if you like to (Dopple keys will even make it easier) while those who don't can just get the bosses inside a stone for doing what THEY like. You will still be able to farm/buy scroll mats if that's your thing. Stop trying to sculpt the game to your own taste when many others with different tastes play the same game. In short, no matter what you yell about here I don't think Ankama will be canceling the update because of an angry/frustrated/anti-change bunch. 5. People that DO NOT WANT TO PvP at all and DO NOT WANT TO BE AGGRO'd no matter which of the 3 alignments they are. Solution: add another button on the alignment screen. DISABLE PvP. when Disable PvP is on NO_ONE can aggro you at all. Disable PvP would automatically lower your wings (with the usual results) and cannot be changed more often than every 168 hours (7 days). This would prevent people from popping in and out of mode to aggro people and then prevent themselves from being aggro'd back when they person they aggro has their battle set on them. (which many people working professions don't as they want all the pods they can get to carry their gather) And I am in category 5 as you may have guessed. Along with most of my guild (we also have some people in guild who like PvP - when it is a fair and challenging battle). EDIT: (and i don't care about the benefits - I am a level 100 farmer/alchemist and some of my mats are in areas only accessed by aligned people. Same for a level 100 lumberjack I know) This post has been edited by Teskeria: 3 Apr 2009, 22:36 |
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Arachnophobe |
2 Apr 2009, 19:16
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QUOTE (Phatballerz @ 2 Apr 2009, 01:46) i hate it when people complain about p2p getting too much stuff. DEAL WITH IT! they pay for it, which you dont! Well, I am paying for 6 accounts (all of my family), atm. Enough for Ya?And I have been complaining about the pVp stuff, like encouraging PVP to aggro (which I am against) and also giving even more things (like rolls building 'prizes') for a behavior I so not want, nor show.  Unaligning or never aligning is no option, because it would force me to spend money on things I could gather (e.g. being level 100 farmer/baker) otherwise. This means I am *punished double* for not being aligned and taking part in the PVP scene: 1. not getting anything "special"... 2. needing to buy things I could gather without a problem ... That is no kind of fun. |
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Arachnophobe |
2 Apr 2009, 19:20
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QUOTE (OwnedJooNoob @ 2 Apr 2009, 07:15) This is only a bad update for people which suck balls at the game or idiots that don't know how to turn off their wings. Both of them deserved to be aggressed. If memory serves me right you don't actually need your wings to be UP to go in any aligned territories. Fools, quit complaining and be thankful for once. Hmm, But you do need to have wings up in water pandala, when entering and reaping rice there. At least when entering, tried it myself. I was only allowed in when I rose my wings. And inside I was told "this is not allowed here" when I tried to lower them. Rosal special, then? I wonder. |
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Gobball Breeder |
2 Apr 2009, 20:16
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QUOTE (H-a-m-m-e-r @ 2 Apr 2009, 03:02) You're blatantly wrong. Alignments are not solely pvp. They come with benefits for pvm, financial, and movement abilities that have nothing to do with pvp. Just as soon as that changes you can bet the number of people with wings will drop. Dofus forces alignments for certain benefits (and even areas with unique monsters and resources, so I have no idea how you can claim its strictly pvp). Dofus literally had to bribe everyone to decide they wanted to allow themselves to be involved in battles they could not choose. That stuff was made for there to be a purpose for pvp. Also you can still get all the benefits without your wings out, aside from the extra exp and drops which you really don't need. People put their wings out to be agressed, and put them back down when they don't want to be agressed. So don't put your wings out and then whine about someone killing you. |
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Ancestral Treechnid Slogger |
2 Apr 2009, 20:20
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hmm great this will make heroic even more unsuitable for lower levels. how about they do this on every server but heroic. have they not seen how dead that place is now due to high lvls constantly day after day hour after hour aggroing people 30-150 levels lower than themselves.
ffs stop invoking pvp. most of the players have no interest in that crap |
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Tofu Stroker |
2 Apr 2009, 22:30
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QUOTE From what I've read so far all the outrage boils down to 4 kinds of people: 1. Those who cannot be pleased no matter what you do, they whine about events and when one comes along they trash it, they ask for new contents but everything seems to be not to their liking. Only way to deal with these people is to ignore the fuss they make because no matter what you do you will always be doing it wrongly. Turtlewings, you are my Hero! |
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Larva |
3 Apr 2009, 05:46
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There is a significant problem with the new update and Ankama needs to know why.
One big problem is PvP Quest's that are comming out and rewards. Strokens and what they can be exchanged for is a giant mistake.  For instance You have a tied scroll and hunt that player and kill him you recieve 2 Strokens. A list of the rewards that you can exchange a stroken for? Characteristic Scrolls - a small scroll for 2 tokens. - a medium scroll for 3 tokens. - a great scroll for 5 tokens. - a powerful scroll for 16 tokens. - a spell point scroll for 100 tokens. This will become HIGHLY abused for those who have multiple accounts. People will farm themselves and their own accounts to get 100's of tokens at a time and within a week or less have a character with all stats scrolled. Scrolling is designed for the elite players who spend months working on their characters to develop them to their best potential and many players have spent months and millions of Kammas to scroll their characters. The hard work will become a huge waste because characteristic scrolls will start to flow like magical cures! Once this ocures your character will have to be 100% scrolled to even compete at all with any of the other players. People will abuse this new Stroken system and it will turn for the worst. Ive also heard that there is a petition up for this update so far with over $5,000 worth of P2P'ers per month, and i think it got posted a week ago. Im not saying the entire update is a bad idea because I like a lot of the perks it will bring and change in strategies, but the Strokens is one thing I think will ruin half the fun of the game. Its almost like saying this "you make a new account, instantly your level 100, instantly you have 101 in all stats" boring... makes the game less fun. Just a little discussion. Any comments? ps Also found there is a place petitioning the update. http://www.petitiononline.com/dofus127/petition.html Not sure if the admins know about it This post has been edited by DeathSynth: 3 Apr 2009, 05:48 |
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Tanukou |
3 Apr 2009, 11:57
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QUOTE (DeathSynth @ 3 Apr 2009, 05:46) \ Also found there is a place petitioning the update. http://www.petitiononline.com/dofus127/petition.html Not sure if the admins know about it did you read that? its againt the changes of sacriers my god you're an ****** also scroll prices wont drop that much |
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Piglet Milker |
3 Apr 2009, 12:40
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QUOTE (DeathSynth @ 3 Apr 2009, 05:46) This will become HIGHLY abused for those who have multiple accounts. Those who will use multiple accounts to obtain Strokens will be paying players, who are entitled to benefit from the system. QUOTE Scrolling is designed for the elite players who spend months working on their characters to develop them to their best potential and many players have spent months and millions of Kammas to scroll their characters. Claiming that scrolling is designed for elite players is selfish, among other things. Just like you and others have spent time making kamas to scroll, people will now have the option to spend time doing PvP to obtain scrolls, so that's neither here nor there. QUOTE Its almost like saying this "you make a new account, instantly your level 100, instantly you have 101 in all stats" boring... makes the game less fun. No. Those who favor PvP will now be able to make a living out of killing others and those who wish to stick to tradition may gather resources or buy them to exchange scrolls. Both are fair methods of obtaining scrolls. This post has been edited by Phrozen-Phyr: 3 Apr 2009, 12:40 |
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Moopet Master |
3 Apr 2009, 20:05
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 3 Apr 2009, 13:40) Those who will use multiple accounts to obtain Strokens will be paying players, who are entitled to benefit from the system. Claiming that scrolling is designed for elite players is selfish, among other things. Just like you and others have spent time making kamas to scroll, people will now have the option to spend time doing PvP to obtain scrolls, so that's neither here nor there. No. Those who favor PvP will now be able to make a living out of killing others and those who wish to stick to tradition may gather resources or buy them to exchange scrolls. Both are fair methods of obtaining scrolls. Multi-accounters are entitled to benefit from the system sure but they are not entitled to benefit from abusing the system. I'm not sure the poster you were replying to has a valid point though because if you can only get the tokens from a PvP quest kill then you can not target your own characters in an effort to abuse the system, but that IS what the poster was getting at. I don't see a problem with allowing a way for PvPers to obtain scrolls from PvP quests BUT with this system both methods of obtaining scrolls are NOT fair, in fact it's far from it. Do a little thinking about just how long it takes to collect 100 gob horns and compare that to winning ONE PvP quest fight and explain to me exactly how this is "fair". It's not even close. Now compare collecting 20 mush sporms (forget the other mats needed) for a powerful agi scroll to winning EIGHT PvP quest fights and tell me how you could even make the statement that both systems are "fair". It's not even on the same planet. It has taken me countless hours of hunting and millions of kamas to scroll str and agi to 101 ea and I'm half done with wis. Now you're telling me that any schmuck can come along, pick one of the classes that is OP at lvl 60 say like Int Iop, and they can scroll all stats on ANY character they choose (scrolls are tradable) with relatively no effort at all? The devs have been quoted as saying they KNOW most players DO NOT play the game for PvP. Why they continue to try to shove it down our throats is beyond me. What's worse is that they will cheapen any achievements people could once be proud of with these and other changes they have made in the past. Many of those changes coming in the name of PvP, something the devs KNOW most players do not like to do. I'm not complaining that things should be as hard for others as it was for me. Changes happen, prices drop as more people join a server and more people get higher level. Eventually all things become easier accomplish. That's all part of any game like this but for the devs to create such an unbalanced system like this in an effort to ram PvP down the MAJORITY of their customers throats is insulting. I have no problem with trying to make PvP more attractive to more players or making PvP a way to play the game and develop a character but this system is way too unbalanced. |
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Mufafah Rider |
3 Apr 2009, 21:11
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Guys, dont be fools... there will be no full scrolled level 60 agillity xelors running around killing you and then going to get scrolls. WHY??? because these quests give XP too, and as soon as the charecter you have made goes past it's optimal PvP level.... you have to make another one. So mabye there will be some abuse at first, but after a week or so i highly doubt players with high-leveled mains will still want to level from 1-60 over and over and over and over, even if going from level 1-60 takes them less then a day because of leaching... it will get boring
ON top of that, once the charceter is no longer good for PvP anymore, if you did scroll it, all those scrolls are now wasted if you didn't plan to continue with the charecter... I am very suprised noone has brought up this point yet |
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Pandulum Time-outer |
3 Apr 2009, 22:01
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I think it's a good idea. I'm a sourpuss; I'm not good at PvP, I know it, and I keep my wings down (and no, this does not interfere with my ore-gathering in feudala or quick transport via imps village when they are of the appropriate alignment - wings do not need to be up to use these features). I have no problems with people aggressing me, and this update will not change that since people must opt-in to the potential hit list by raising their wings.
Don't want to risk being targeted? Keep your wings down, you'll be fine. You are not being punished, nor losing anything for not participating. Nothing is preventing you from keeping up whatever your usual practices were before this update. Some people don't mind trying out a little PvP, but aren't themselves the aggressors - they act only in defense. This will actually benefit them, because now they stand to gain exp/tokens for their time if they successfully fight off the aggressor. My only concern is rewarding characters other than the PvPer(s) involved, and that includes other chars on the same account. I don't think the rewards should be exchangeable to other accounts, nor to other chars on the same account. That char earned it through their own particular abilities, that char should keep it. |
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Larva |
3 Apr 2009, 22:15
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QUOTE (Aetnaria @ 3 Apr 2009, 22:01) I think it's a good idea. I'm a sourpuss; I'm not good at PvP, I know it, and I keep my wings down (and no, this does not interfere with my ore-gathering in feudala or quick transport via imps village when they are of the appropriate alignment - wings do not need to be up to use these features). I have no problems with people aggressing me, and this update will not change that since people must opt-in to the potential hit list by raising their wings. Don't want to risk being targeted? Keep your wings down, you'll be fine. You are not being punished, nor losing anything for not participating. Nothing is preventing you from keeping up whatever your usual practices were before this update. Some people don't mind trying out a little PvP, but aren't themselves the aggressors - they act only in defense. This will actually benefit them, because now they stand to gain exp/tokens for their time if they successfully fight off the aggressor. My only concern is rewarding characters other than the PvPer(s) involved, and that includes other chars on the same account. I don't think the rewards should be exchangeable to other accounts, nor to other chars on the same account. That char earned it through their own particular abilities, that char should keep it. |
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Arachnophobe |
3 Apr 2009, 23:43
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Hello,
Can I use the PvP quests to level up a guild or a mount? |
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Piglet Milker |
4 Apr 2009, 00:54
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QUOTE (LouCypher @ 3 Apr 2009, 21:05) Multi-accounters are entitled to benefit from the system sure but they are not entitled to benefit from abusing the system. I'm not sure the poster you were replying to has a valid point though because if you can only get the tokens from a PvP quest kill then you can not target your own characters in an effort to abuse the system, but that IS what the poster was getting at. The system won't be abused. The contract scrolls are handed out at random, so chances of obtaining a contract scroll leading to your alternate character is minimal - if that's what the poster was getting at. QUOTE Do a little thinking about just how long it takes to collect 100 gob horns and compare that to winning ONE PvP quest fight and explain to me exactly how this is "fair". It's not even close. Now compare collecting 20 mush sporms (forget the other mats needed) for a powerful agi scroll to winning EIGHT PvP quest fights and tell me how you could even make the statement that both systems are "fair". It's not even on the same planet. Now compare running around for days trying to muster the mats for your scrolls - and going to the scroll market and buying the desired scroll in minutes and explain how that is fair. Perhaps you'll find the desired answer. QUOTE It has taken me countless hours of hunting and millions of kamas to scroll str and agi to 101 ea and I'm half done with wis. Now you're telling me that any schmuck can come along, pick one of the classes that is OP at lvl 60 say like Int Iop, and they can scroll all stats on ANY character they choose (scrolls are tradable) with relatively no effort at all? Yes, just like any schmuck will be able to harvest the mats for the scrolls with their Sadida, Cra or Enutrof and scroll all stats on any character they choose with the same amount of effort that PvP quests would require. QUOTE The devs have been quoted as saying they KNOW most players DO NOT play the game for PvP. Why they continue to try to shove it down our throats is beyond me. What's worse is that they will cheapen any achievements people could once be proud of with these and other changes they have made in the past. Many of those changes coming in the name of PvP, something the devs KNOW most players do not like to do. If you don't play for PvP you can continue to do so. I play for PvP, so I will make benefit of the new system. QUOTE That's all part of any game like this but for the devs to create such an unbalanced system like this in an effort to ram PvP down the MAJORITY of their customers throats is insulting. The developers aren't forcing you to do anything. They've created a way for the PvP players to obtain scrolls without having to harvest resources. Why do you make the mistake of thinking this particular update was for those who do not enjoy PvP? |
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Kitsou Beater |
4 Apr 2009, 04:39
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QUOTE (Al-liance @ 2 Apr 2009, 21:16) That stuff was made for there to be a purpose for pvp. Also you can still get all the benefits without your wings out, aside from the extra exp and drops which you really don't need. People put their wings out to be agressed, and put them back down when they don't want to be agressed. So don't put your wings out and then whine about someone killing you. Yes exactly. Someone at dofus decided they had to encourage pvp. I am questioning WHY. Why must pvp be important? And why must it be 1vs1 pvp that is encouraged? My complaint isn't that dofus allows PVP. My complaint is that dofus actively encourages pvp by adding benefits that have nothing to do with the concept of pvp. Now there's even more encouragement. Oh well looks like enough people weren't actively interested in pvp so we need to add even more ludicrous benefits so that people that don't want to be involved in pvp will anyway because of all the benefits. Who needs to be able to run skeunk in the 4 or 5 hours it normally takes and pay for keys. You can just aggress people now. And why make scrolling characters take any effort at all? Every character should just show up with 101 stats when they start. And just fuck the game as it exists. People are happy with it now lets make sure we change it (and make sure all the dungeon strategies that currently work are screwed over in the process). Why bother to actually go through on our promises about what we'll deliver as a company. We've been promising to finish alignment quests for 2 years now, and those pesky special spells. But we don't actually need to finish them as promised. We can do whatever the hell we want. And poor players. Its too bad they've paid and put in hundreds of hours of game time. We can just change every aspect of the game that they've liked without anyone's consent. |
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Kitsou Beater |
4 Apr 2009, 04:43
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QUOTE (GetToDhaChoppa @ 3 Apr 2009, 12:57) did you read that? its againt the changes of sacriers my god you're an ****** also scroll prices wont drop that much What are you basing that on? Scrolls will now be available from another source. And all scrolls from this source will have the exact same level of difficulty. Of course this will drop prices. No longer will those powerful agi scrolls/wis scrolls be as expensive (they're soon to be just as much work as a str, cha, or intel). |
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Kitsou Beater |
4 Apr 2009, 04:50
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QUOTE (MineShaft @ 3 Apr 2009, 22:11) Guys, dont be fools... there will be no full scrolled level 60 agillity xelors running around killing you and then going to get scrolls. WHY??? because these quests give XP too, and as soon as the charecter you have made goes past it's optimal PvP level.... you have to make another one. So mabye there will be some abuse at first, but after a week or so i highly doubt players with high-leveled mains will still want to level from 1-60 over and over and over and over, even if going from level 1-60 takes them less then a day because of leaching... it will get boring ON top of that, once the charceter is no longer good for PvP anymore, if you did scroll it, all those scrolls are now wasted if you didn't plan to continue with the charecter... I am very suprised noone has brought up this point yet You don't have to scroll the character. Certain sets still provide ridiculous advantages that are out of the price range of the average player. So yes I could easily see a person remaking the exact same character again and again and again for quick and easy scrolls. And what you're suggesting is every more abusable. If raising levels is so quick that a level 60 soon won't be level 60 if they do nothing but pvp then that shows some bad imbalance compared to pvm. |
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4 Apr 2009, 05:36
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QUOTE (Bujax @ 2 Apr 2009, 06:28) I can't believe noone pointed this out yet. Many people describe PVP, especially 1vs1 agressions, as comparing your E-PENIS size... and now the reward you get for that are STROKEns... oh the IRONY now that is just to funny  i'm glad someone has a great sense of humor;) thanks for the tear inducing laughter;) |
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Tofu Stroker |
4 Apr 2009, 06:17
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Ok now it's FAR MORE EASY to scroll yourself =S and to think in all the work it took me to scroll int til 101 =(, all that work a waste.... you are defenily out of your minds... noobs will love make this thing easy... and them all the previus effort "A WASTE" just because ankama decided to make a more pvpable game... well dudes It was a very nice pvp game "giniuses" >.> but now all the scrolls economy is reduced to those who kill more players... kill only 4 people to get and scroll of more than 100.000 kamas Âżeh? and kill 50 for one that cost 500.000 kamas =S what kind of relation is that... nobody will never go to kill evil tofus or vampires again... they just will kill 4 players and get the powerfull scrolls =S everybody will be reseted soon sooo lame... now is not an archivenment to reset our stats is simply matter of ask other players that you want to kill them for about 10000 kamas =S... or 20000 kamas, easy money for the target and scrolls for the winner =S WELL DONE Ankama you totally screw the game...
And by the way that is not my idea of impruve the pvp mode to let players to arrange battles and gain profit... =S there will no be strategy at all the just agro and the arranged loser will leave with his payment and the winner to collect his precious Strokens... CORRUPTION that is what it is.... you have corrupted the game... This post has been edited by Serpentaris: 4 Apr 2009, 06:20 |
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Larva |
4 Apr 2009, 07:07
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 3 Apr 2009, 12:40) Those who will use multiple accounts to obtain Strokens will be paying players, who are entitled to benefit from the system. Claiming that scrolling is designed for elite players is selfish, among other things. Just like you and others have spent time making kamas to scroll, people will now have the option to spend time doing PvP to obtain scrolls, so that's neither here nor there. No. Those who favor PvP will now be able to make a living out of killing others and those who wish to stick to tradition may gather resources or buy them to exchange scrolls. Both are fair methods of obtaining scrolls. Like someone quoted you earlier yes paying players are entitled to benefit from the system. But does that mean everyone should just make bots and let the bots collect millions of scrolls without having to lift a finger? That's called abusing the system Selfish? How is it selfish to claim that Millions of Kammas Spent and Months Collecting Mats is for the Elite? You must be saying that it is an easy task for the average player, or for a new one at that. If your not then what is above the average player? Moderate? Expert? Elite? If you wanted me to break down an actual scale of different classes I can but I would rather stay away from socialism. One yes a 100% scrolled character I would consider to be an elite character. That costs Millions of Kammas to get, and Months of Gathering to get. Are you claiming that a character who has played for two months would be able to accomplish scrolling in a matter of weeks or something? And Im sorry but if a character is 100% scrolled in all stats they in my mind are an elite character cause all their base stats are higher then the majority. QUOTE (MineShaft @ 3 Apr 2009, 21:11) Guys, dont be fools... there will be no full scrolled level 60 agillity xelors running around killing you and then going to get scrolls. WHY??? because these quests give XP too, and as soon as the charecter you have made goes past it's optimal PvP level.... you have to make another one. So mabye there will be some abuse at first, but after a week or so i highly doubt players with high-leveled mains will still want to level from 1-60 over and over and over and over, even if going from level 1-60 takes them less then a day because of leaching... it will get boring ON top of that, once the charceter is no longer good for PvP anymore, if you did scroll it, all those scrolls are now wasted if you didn't plan to continue with the charecter... I am very suprised noone has brought up this point yet I don't think this was thought through. True quests give Xp, but it is very easy to join a guild and give 90% of the experience gained to the guild. On top of that you could even grab a mount and have that collect 90% of experience. That would leave the player able to have 100's of fights before he would actually level. Since you have to be in a range of levels it wouldnt be hard. Also Your last part the character probably wouldnt be to actually PvP it would be made to attack your "Second" account. Yes if you have two accounts you can attack your other account if their alignment is different. Also think of this if you have 2 chars on seperate accounts they will attack each other and only each other to gain strokens. They dont need to be scrolled cause you can intentionally let one kill the other. Also the scrolls the character would gain from trading in strokens would not have to be used on the actual player. It could be put into the bank and used on a seperate Player. So the scrolls are not wasted. |
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Moopet Master |
4 Apr 2009, 08:01
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 4 Apr 2009, 00:54) The system won't be abused. The contract scrolls are handed out at random, so chances of obtaining a contract scroll leading to your alternate character is minimal - if that's what the poster was getting at. Now compare running around for days trying to muster the mats for your scrolls - and going to the scroll market and buying the desired scroll in minutes and explain how that is fair. Perhaps you'll find the desired answer. Yes, just like any schmuck will be able to harvest the mats for the scrolls with their Sadida, Cra or Enutrof and scroll all stats on any character they choose with the same amount of effort that PvP quests would require. If you don't play for PvP you can continue to do so. I play for PvP, so I will make benefit of the new system. The developers aren't forcing you to do anything. They've created a way for the PvP players to obtain scrolls without having to harvest resources. Why do you make the mistake of thinking this particular update was for those who do not enjoy PvP? Phyr you make no sense. You can not just go buy a scroll for 10 kamas, they currently sell for what the market thinks the time invested in gathering the mats is worth. No more, no less. You have to do SOMETHING to have earned the kamas to be able to afford to buy scrolls and chances are it involved more than just killing one person for a small scroll or eight people for a powerful scroll. For you to suggest that there is no difference is nuts. I spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 2mk on mush sporms alone so please don't talk to me about how much effort is involved because I've actually scrolled two stats on my main to 101. How could you possibly think that gathering 2500 gob salivas, 2500 iron, 4805 acorns, 3050 evil dandelion tongue, 2910 rose petal, and 220 mush sporm takes the same effort as killing 223 people? You play for PvP, that's great. I'm not trying to slight you anything. I said I see no problem with making PvP a way to further develop a character. That includes a way for you to obtain scrolls. What I am saying is THIS system is unbalanced and makes it WAY TOO EASY for you to get those scrolls. I'm also saying that you, the PvP player, are in the minority and the devs have said they know this to be a fact and yet two of the last few major updates have involved big PvP changes designed to force PvP on people who do not want to do it. Color it however you like the fact is if you do not participate in PvP you are being penalized for not doing so. Why do you make the mistake of thinking the minority of players deserve such a large chunk of the developers time and resources when there are bugs that have been in the game for well over three years? I make no mistake Phyr, I know who these changes were intended for but they affect everyone. Mine Shaft, scrolls are tradable. No player need waste scrolls if they don't want to and as much as you or I would not enjoy the tedium of re-leveling a character over and over there WILL be people willing to do that if that's what it takes. Not to mention you're blowing off just how long a character can be a viable force in PvP. *EDIT* DeathSynth makes an excellent point in that you can very effectively kill your own xp by setting 90% to guild and or mount leaving a player a VERY long time in a level bracket even with the 50% increase to xp from killing marks. Death I don't see the alt abuse though because you have to get the contract from an NPC. They are randomly generated and you can only target the same player once per 24 hours as it is now. They can also very easily make it impossible to get a contract for an account under the same name or from the same IP address. I know there are ways around that but even so if you can only get the same person on contract once every 24 hours... This post has been edited by LouCypher: 4 Apr 2009, 08:07 |
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4 Apr 2009, 16:45
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Here is a link to a topic of mine in the "talk with the dofus team" section. In it I ask WHY they decided the PvP part of this update. No answer from the dofus team yet but I hope they will soon. There is also a little discussion starting about this topic in there. Wasn t my intention to start a discussion, but I think there might be some interesting things in there concerning PvP and what people think about it.
http://forum.dofus.com/en/talk-with-the-do...now-t73191.html |
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Ancestral Treechnid Slogger |
4 Apr 2009, 17:34
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just wanna say congratz to making heroic server even worse and even less populated. thanks god ive only got 13 days subscription left.
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Thrower of Barbrossa |
4 Apr 2009, 17:52
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The dam osa dopple is way to hard... he can summon like 20 summons... that dispell my spells block me + damage to others he buffs them they take my AP...
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Minotot Deboner |
5 Apr 2009, 01:33
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If the goal of this PvP quest update is to get people to quit, then this is a step into the the right direction: the only thing the PvP quest does is pissing off people that want to do PvM. Or what do you call it if you get out of a good fight with monsters, just to get aggressed and killed, losing all hp and a lot of honor as well as being sent back to the zaap? A good experience? I doubt it.
Now this update will make it even worse. Even more players are gonna do the quest and thus ruining the game for the majority of players (who still prever PvM), and to make it even worse, it's gonna be even harder to compete to them. These players already got a big alignment bonus to drops and xp, and then with 1.26 they got free xp and kamas for pissing off people. And now, they're getting scrolls and souls for free, too. What's next? Free equips for killing people? Piss off 15 PvMers and get a free gelano and an aztech for 20 people? What ankama totally fail to see is that all these PvP boosts ar completely unnecessary. Everyone who wanted PvP could always get as much of it as they wanted in perc fights, PvP maps and later on even in prism battles, or they could make their own PvP events (i remember various tournaments). There is no need at all for PvP quests and any form of PvP boosts. Getting rid of the rank requirements on equipment such as kanistere, red root, etc. was a step into the right direction. Now, however, ankama are going back again and making it much worse than it ever was, the merging of PvP and PvM is forcing a lot of people to do PvP that never wanted to do it at all. My suggestion is to completely separate PvP and PvM again, dofus would be so much more fun without having to gain ranks in order to compete in PvM and being killed off all the time by a minority of PvP liking people. Let PvPers fight with each other instead of getting innocent PvMers into their mess. All we want is to beat up some monsters, is that too much to ask for? I'm not paying for this game to have to do PvP which i don't want. And before anyone comes with "put wings down", it's not an option, cause with the super-brilliant alignment bonus system (sarcasm intended), you have to put out high rank wings because otherwise you can't compete. Edit: It's not even possible anymore to do gob dungeon without having to fear an aggro, they people doing the quest will lure in front of the dungeon and kill you as soon as you're done. This post has been edited by Blazeron: 5 Apr 2009, 01:55 |
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Minotot Deboner |
5 Apr 2009, 02:01
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QUOTE (KA-Dofus @ 2 Apr 2009, 02:32) This in itself is the problem with alignments. If the PvP system... which is what the alignment system actually is... didn't offer non-PvP related bribes to entice players to participate then only those with a true interest in PvP would join the PvP system, and those with no interest in PvP would not be penalized for opting out of that system. So... if all the non-PvP related benefits were removed from the PvP system, the problem would be as well. Yes, that's the point, it's what ankama just fail to see. PvMers have to do PvP because without these alignment bonuses, they can't compete to these that got the bonuses (or not as well at least). The best thing to do would be sending the alignment bonuses (as in the extra loot and xp) back to hell where they came from and have the PvP quest go right with it. |
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Minotot Deboner |
5 Apr 2009, 02:10
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QUOTE (Serpentaris @ 4 Apr 2009, 06:17) Ok now it's FAR MORE EASY to scroll yourself =S and to think in all the work it took me to scroll int til 101 =(, all that work a waste.... you are defenily out of your minds... noobs will love make this thing easy... and them all the previus effort "A WASTE" just because ankama decided to make a more pvpable game... well dudes It was a very nice pvp game "giniuses" >.> but now all the scrolls economy is reduced to those who kill more players... kill only 4 people to get and scroll of more than 100.000 kamas Âżeh? and kill 50 for one that cost 500.000 kamas =S what kind of relation is that... nobody will never go to kill evil tofus or vampires again... they just will kill 4 players and get the powerfull scrolls =S everybody will be reseted soon sooo lame... now is not an archivenment to reset our stats is simply matter of ask other players that you want to kill them for about 10000 kamas =S... or 20000 kamas, easy money for the target and scrolls for the winner =S WELL DONE Ankama you totally screw the game... And by the way that is not my idea of impruve the pvp mode to let players to arrange battles and gain profit... =S there will no be strategy at all the just agro and the arranged loser will leave with his payment and the winner to collect his precious Strokens... CORRUPTION that is what it is.... you have corrupted the game... Yeah :/ I scrolled all 6 stats to 101, that's ages of grinding crappy low level monsters for scrolling mats and spending a fuckazillion kamas on even more scrolling mats, and now every little loser with a toady on the head is gonna be able to do the same by doing a couple of abusive pvp fights against pvmers that haven't got a fair chance anyway. Sometimes i could just kill ankama. >< Edit: And by the way ankama notice that it's screwed up and fix it (if at all), 1-2 years will have passed and everyone will already have made hundreds of scrolls using little, toady-wearing pvp alts. This post has been edited by Blazeron: 5 Apr 2009, 02:12 |
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Piglet Milker |
5 Apr 2009, 06:10
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QUOTE (DeathSynth @ 4 Apr 2009, 08:07) Like someone quoted you earlier yes paying players are entitled to benefit from the system. But does that mean everyone should just make bots and let the bots collect millions of scrolls without having to lift a finger? That's called abusing the system Bots won't be able to benefit from the PvP Strokens system, as few are subscribed, and most are banned before reaching a ripe level to reap the benefits that Strokens give. QUOTE Selfish? How is it selfish to claim that Millions of Kammas Spent and Months Collecting Mats is for the Elite? It's selfish to claim that scrolling stats is for the elite - which is what I believe he said. Though, if you want me to talk in simple terms, he didn't want lower levels benefiting from the system, because he believes that scrolling stats is for the much higher levels. QUOTE You must be saying that it is an easy task for the average player, or for a new one at that. If your not then what is above the average player? Moderate? Expert? Elite? Far from easy to collect mats for the scrolls, as it will also be far from easy to collect Strokens for scrolls. QUOTE Are you claiming that a character who has played for two months would be able to accomplish scrolling in a matter of weeks or something? And Im sorry but if a character is 100% scrolled in all stats they in my mind are an elite character cause all their base stats are higher then the majority. By elite, he obviously meant higher level players. Regardless of his denial - that's exactly what he meant. Bye your usage of 'elite', I think you mean players that work hard to earn what they deserve - in which case, I agree. A level 70 who works hard to obtain Strokens through PvP isn't abusing the system - but apparently he seems to think so. |
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Piglet Milker |
5 Apr 2009, 06:19
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QUOTE (LouCypher @ 4 Apr 2009, 09:01) You can not just go buy a scroll for 10 kamas, they currently sell for what the market thinks the time invested in gathering the mats is worth. Just like Strokens will be handed out to those who win in PvP, for what Ankama thinks the time invested in fighting is worth. QUOTE How could you possibly think that gathering 2500 gob salivas, 2500 iron, 4805 acorns, 3050 evil dandelion tongue, 2910 rose petal, and 220 mush sporm takes the same effort as killing 223 people? The players will both be in the same level vicinity of one another. Finding the target takes perhaps 20 minutes. Killing the target may take up to half an hour (an hour if you're fighting an Eniripsa). You're never guaranteed a win, to complicate things. This brings me to another point. A few have argued that Intelligence Iop and Agility Xelor will rein and rule with the Stroken system - I agree. To which I reply: Sadida and Cra (AoE spells) will rein and rule the mats system with their AoE spells. Some are going to stand above others. QUOTE Why do you make the mistake of thinking the minority of players deserve such a large chunk of the developers time and resources when there are bugs that have been in the game for well over three years? That's a question for the developers, not I. I didn't ask for this update, but I will make use of it as I see fit. I believe it is a fair system, some might not. |
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Ancestral Treechnid Slogger |
5 Apr 2009, 06:35
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QUOTE (Blazeron @ 5 Apr 2009, 03:01) Yes, that's the point, it's what ankama just fail to see. PvMers have to do PvP because without these alignment bonuses, they can't compete to these that got the bonuses (or not as well at least). The best thing to do would be sending the alignment bonuses (as in the extra loot and xp) back to hell where they came from and have the PvP quest go right with it. it wont happen and those who bully harmless neutrals on an hourly basis will always argue this as they are too stubbern to simply see this is ruining the game for literally millions on players. lets face is. its just a guess but id like at least 80% of people dont care about pvp. they dont do it and dont like it or they cba to do it. parts of this update is just stupid and they have lost millions of players. alot of which like myself have been here since beta. i will certainly NOT be resubscribing until its changed. i will however still look on here a as i like to read posts from other long term players. you,cato,rael,rikki etc |
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Moon Hammerer |
5 Apr 2009, 20:12
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 5 Apr 2009, 06:19) Just like Strokens will be handed out to those who win in PvP, for what Ankama thinks the time invested in fighting is worth. The players will both be in the same level vicinity of one another. Finding the target takes perhaps 20 minutes. Killing the target may take up to half an hour (an hour if you're fighting an Eniripsa). You're never guaranteed a win, to complicate things. This brings me to another point. A few have argued that Intelligence Iop and Agility Xelor will rein and rule with the Stroken system - I agree. To which I reply: Sadida and Cra (AoE spells) will rein and rule the mats system with their AoE spells. Some are going to stand above others. That's a question for the developers, not I. I didn't ask for this update, but I will make use of it as I see fit. I believe it is a fair system, some might not. Agi panda at +131 is totally godly. If in right hands excellent in PvP (I know u can say this about every class). It doesnt always take 20mins to find the target, eg. today I was just PvPing for fun with my iop, took me 2 minutes to reach my target and 1 minute to kill him But yes little 50-60 lvl level int iops and agi xelors will be dominating the low lvl pvp as they have done till now. This post has been edited by eotkodekff: 5 Apr 2009, 20:13 |
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Minotot Deboner |
5 Apr 2009, 20:20
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 5 Apr 2009, 07:19) Just like Strokens will be handed out to those who win in PvP, for what Ankama thinks the time invested in fighting is worth. Yep, that's what ankama think. Too bad that anakam got no idea about how their game works, just wait till after the update and see the prices of scrolls dropping like a stone and every little noob tweak running around fully scrolled. |
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Tofu Stroker |
5 Apr 2009, 20:23
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r u all still there i got a question
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Tofu Stroker |
5 Apr 2009, 20:24
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how do u start a discussion i wanna no plz
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Gobball Breeder |
5 Apr 2009, 20:49
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Maybe it'd be better to remove the wing bonuses, and/or just apply them to pvp situations only. Just separate pvm and pvp entirely. If wing down pvm players aren't forced to put their wings up to wear shields or gain a bonus, then some conflict is solved. PvP`rs can only get that extra exp and loot bonus in aligned fights, therefore they get their separate way of character building that doesn't infringe on pvm'rs who have little interest in fighting, but need to be aligned for convenience sake (dungeons, dopple, imps.)
And really if you have no honor or dishonor you should be able to freely return to neutrality as you wish; unless they provide a way for pvm orientated players to access these parts without the hassle. |
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Minotot Deboner |
5 Apr 2009, 21:14
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QUOTE (BlackPaper @ 5 Apr 2009, 20:49) Maybe it'd be better to remove the wing bonuses, and/or just apply them to pvp situations only. Just separate pvm and pvp entirely. If wing down pvm players aren't forced to put their wings up to wear shields or gain a bonus, then some conflict is solved. PvP`rs can only get that extra exp and loot bonus in aligned fights, therefore they get their separate way of character building that doesn't infringe on pvm'rs who have little interest in fighting, but need to be aligned for convenience sake (dungeons, dopple, imps.) And really if you have no honor or dishonor you should be able to freely return to neutrality as you wish; unless they provide a way for pvm orientated players to access these parts without the hassle. I totally agree! PvP and PvM should be splitted, like totally. We're paying for this game and thus should be able to do PvM without having to do PvP. After all, we're paying for this game and i'm not paying to be forced to do something i don't want. Edit: If i want to be forced to do stuff i don't want to do then i can just as well stay in the real life. There, you get paid for doing work you don't want to do instead of having to pay for it. This post has been edited by Blazeron: 5 Apr 2009, 21:16 |
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Piglet Milker |
6 Apr 2009, 00:03
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QUOTE (Blazeron @ 5 Apr 2009, 22:14) We're paying for this game and thus should be able to do PvM without having to do PvP. Does this mean that because I'm paying for the game that I should be able to do PvP without PvM? Luckily Ankama have made PvP an alternative to those who wish to do it. |
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Dragon Pig Pillager |
6 Apr 2009, 00:53
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 6 Apr 2009, 00:03) Does this mean that because I'm paying for the game that I should be able to do PvP without PvM? Luckily Ankama have made PvP an alternative to those who wish to do it. The point you aren't understanding is people should NOT be forced to align to access areas, should not be forced to PvP if they dont want to. PvPers should only be attacking people who want to PvP. Which would be properly handled with a challenge system that only allows 1 on 1 battles and doesn't allow push and shove aggressions. PvM players should be getting the same benefits as PvP players. Especially since the Devs acknowledge that the majority prefer PvM. GIVE PVM PLAYERS STROKENS FOR EVERY BATTLE IF YOU ARE GIVING THEM TO PVP PLAYERS!!! |
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Piglet Milker |
6 Apr 2009, 10:34
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it's like economic crisis you know, you buy a house with dollars then in 3 weeks, your money loses value and you realize that you could buy 2 houses if you waited 3 weeks.
just wasted 3ms to scrolls and i pity myself now. the worse thing is, im an agi sram, yay pvp character, which i didn't realise till last month. but im a nub okay? i hitted a teammate panda who was carrying an enemy, i thought it'd work :/ i dont know how to pvp and i hate it, as rnlas said, i play to have fun with my friends, spam /r with songs, and make new friends. im lvl 116 and it's my 3rd year you imagine... now everyone'll be aggroing more. you wait sumwhere to kill a perc and have fun (coz team fights are fun solo ones suck) a devil comes and aggroes you... i really think it'll be awful everyone will have more reason to pvp... only places i avoid to go were aggroing monsters, never gone there if i didn't have to for a quest or mats... now ill avoid to go outside of bonta :/ im hax and hate to be that strong and have no strategy... gosh i'm a girl and im not playing this game for "winning" i love to gossip with my friends and meet new ppl and make them think how hot i am, coz that's what i understand from fun. |
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Larva |
6 Apr 2009, 13:38
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 5 Apr 2009, 06:10) Bots won't be able to benefit from the PvP Strokens system, as few are subscribed, and most are banned before reaching a ripe level to reap the benefits that Strokens give. It's selfish to claim that scrolling stats is for the elite - which is what I believe he said. Though, if you want me to talk in simple terms, he didn't want lower levels benefiting from the system, because he believes that scrolling stats is for the much higher levels. Far from easy to collect mats for the scrolls, as it will also be far from easy to collect Strokens for scrolls. By elite, he obviously meant higher level players. Regardless of his denial - that's exactly what he meant. Bye your usage of 'elite', I think you mean players that work hard to earn what they deserve - in which case, I agree. A level 70 who works hard to obtain Strokens through PvP isn't abusing the system - but apparently he seems to think so. Never said bots would abuse the stroken system, apparently you don't actually read what you are reading. Its called a metaphor welcome to English now I'm off topic a bit. (Quit taking things out of context) How many Level 10's do you see PvP'in? NONE (except for newbies) because they all very well know any lvl 90 Can jump them and kill them just for showing their face. Level 20's? Same thing. Lvl 30's? Still the same thing. Why is this? Because none of the actual good spells worth having for pvp usually are not until a higher level. I disagree Since I had about 7 sets of 150 Tied Scrolls in guild chest of 7 different characters (my guildies all have about that many as well). That is pretty much a Powerful Scroll a day. And collecting the mats is a lot more time and boring. There is no excitement from the whole thing other then the final reward half a year later (if scrolling all stats ^^) Pvp is at least a lot more fun. I never said being Elite was level based. You reading out of context again (or in your own context aka wonderland) Elite has nothing to do with what level you are (it is an intelligence issue. How much they know. How much they are capable of doing if they tried. Yes I am 100% saying that dumb people can never be elite, unless they educate themselves. Why because they are dumb and most likely have no idea that an update is even taking place, or ask for FREE FREE FREE in astrub. Amongst 1,000's of other reasons.) Never said a level 70 is not entitled to scrolling (once again taking things into your own little wonderland context) that I am simply saying the way they have it set up will make it way too easy to acquire scrolls. But enough of arguing with a child who wants free ice cream! |
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Minotot Deboner |
6 Apr 2009, 15:09
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 6 Apr 2009, 00:03) Does this mean that because I'm paying for the game that I should be able to do PvP without PvM? Luckily Ankama have made PvP an alternative to those who wish to do it. No, you're getting it wrong. I'm saying that those players that who only want to do PvM should be able to do that without having to do PvP, since they don't want, that. Also, they shouldn't get any penalties compared to others that do PvP (like not having alignment bonuses which others do). Those who want to do PvP should of course be able to do so with other players that want to do PvP (not PvM players *coughstupidpvpquest*), and them doing PvP shouldn't give PvM players a disadvantage. |
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Minotot Deboner |
6 Apr 2009, 15:15
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QUOTE (kibirlielf @ 6 Apr 2009, 10:34) it's like economic crisis you know, you buy a house with dollars then in 3 weeks, your money loses value and you realize that you could buy 2 houses if you waited 3 weeks. just wasted 3ms to scrolls and i pity myself now. the worse thing is, im an agi sram, yay pvp character, which i didn't realise till last month. but im a nub okay? i hitted a teammate panda who was carrying an enemy, i thought it'd work :/ i dont know how to pvp and i hate it, as rnlas said, i play to have fun with my friends, spam /r with songs, and make new friends. im lvl 116 and it's my 3rd year you imagine... now everyone'll be aggroing more. you wait sumwhere to kill a perc and have fun (coz team fights are fun solo ones suck) a devil comes and aggroes you... i really think it'll be awful everyone will have more reason to pvp... only places i avoid to go were aggroing monsters, never gone there if i didn't have to for a quest or mats... now ill avoid to go outside of bonta :/ im hax and hate to be that strong and have no strategy... gosh i'm a girl and im not playing this game for "winning" i love to gossip with my friends and meet new ppl and make them think how hot i am, coz that's what i understand from fun. Yeah, i got the same problem here. Ankama always say how much freedom everyone has and how everyone can go and explore everything, but in reality, they're forcing an alignment upon the players using these bonuses and then they're sending people to kill you. All i've been doing the last few weeks in crackler and gob dungeons and sometimes zoth when it's break, because whenever i'm on the rest of the world, level 200s will come and kill me thanks to the PvP quest. I had much more places to explore when i was a f2p noob in astrub. |
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Moopet Master |
7 Apr 2009, 07:11
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QUOTE (Phrozen-Phyr @ 6 Apr 2009, 01:03) Does this mean that because I'm paying for the game that I should be able to do PvP without PvM? Luckily Ankama have made PvP an alternative to those who wish to do it. You don't seem to understand that PvMers in NO WAY infringe on YOUR gaming experience. In fact its paying PvMers that make your playing this game at all even possible. PvPers on the other hand DO infringe on PvMers gaming experience and Ankama obviously does not get this either. They don't seem to realize that if they lost EVERY person into PvP the game would continue on it's merry way without so much as a hick-up where as if they lose even half the PvMers the game is probably done. This post has been edited by LouCypher: 7 Apr 2009, 07:12 |
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Arachnophobe |
7 Apr 2009, 07:23
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QUOTE (DeathSynth) How many Level 10's do you see PvP'in? NONE (except for newbies) because they all very well know any lvl 90 Can jump them and kill them just for showing their face. Level 20's? Same thing. Lvl 30's? Still the same thing. Why is this? Because none of the actual good spells worth having for pvp usually are not until a higher level. You are aware that many people PvP in the 20's and 30's, right? Any level 90 that jumps on a level 30 either has an ego issue or simply can't kill anyone within 80-100, and needs to feel bigger. QUOTE (DeathSynth) I disagree Since I had about 7 sets of 150 Tied Scrolls in guild chest of 7 different characters (my guildies all have about that many as well). That is pretty much a Powerful Scroll a day. And collecting the mats is a lot more time and boring. There is no excitement from the whole thing other then the final reward half a year later (if scrolling all stats ^^) Pvp is at least a lot more fun. The strokens are gained from killing an assinged person, not by using your own Tied Scrolls. QUOTE (DeathSynth) I never said being Elite was level based. You reading out of context again (or in your own context aka wonderland) Elite has nothing to do with what level you are (it is an intelligence issue. How much they know. How much they are capable of doing if they tried. Yes I am 100% saying that dumb people can never be elite, unless they educate themselves. Why because they are dumb and most likely have no idea that an update is even taking place, or ask for FREE FREE FREE in astrub. Amongst 1,000's of other reasons.) Elite isn't an intelligence issue, that's being knowledgeable. Elite is based on your 'online tech skeelz.' Don't you read those internet-ego boosted people's posts? |
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Arachnophobe |
7 Apr 2009, 07:45
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Also the 12 different characters available in dofus are in no way evenly balanced. Place all 12 at lvl 140 against each other and I think those who have played Dofus long enough can already select the top 4 or 5 that will always win. Like it was said, Agi Xelor and Int Iop gonna be very popular characters now at lower lvls and if you really want to benefit from Dofus now in 1.27 please select only hax pvp characters coz the rest have been nerfed to extinction. The beginning of the end?
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Mopy King Cleaner |
7 Apr 2009, 07:58
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Lol the epic petition with 82 sigs made me laugh, but other then that.. If you don't want to use the new PvP system, don't. Keep your wings down or don't allign. If you come to a spot where you need your wings, turn them on for 10 seconds then back off. I HIGHLY doubt anyone will be able to get a quest for you in that time. And seriously, the new system looks great. It allows people who want to PvP for the game, PvP versus PvM. The fact of the matter is, people are bitching, pissing and moaning because they can't get the benefits of a system without having to work for it. Whine less please
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Arachnophobe |
7 Apr 2009, 09:19
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QUOTE (-Travis-- @ 7 Apr 2009, 08:58) Lol the epic petition with 82 sigs made me laugh, but other then that.. If you don't want to use the new PvP system, don't. Keep your wings down or don't allign. If you come to a spot where you need your wings, turn them on for 10 seconds then back off. I HIGHLY doubt anyone will be able to get a quest for you in that time. And seriously, the new system looks great. It allows people who want to PvP for the game, PvP versus PvM. The fact of the matter is, people are bitching, pissing and moaning because they can't get the benefits of a system without having to work for it. Whine less please *Travis Agreed. If you want to be aligned for the percs, then you can get the consequences, too. That's what being aligned is for. |
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Larva |
7 Apr 2009, 09:55
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its awesome
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