you can always put your wings down!
i for one will be hunting SO souls in friggin Astrub tyvm

This is only a bad update for people which suck balls at the game or idiots that don't know how to turn off their wings. Both of them deserved to be aggressed. If memory serves me right you don't actually need your wings to be UP to go in any aligned territories.

Fools, quit complaining and be thankful for once.

im sure it will be the worst update in history of dofus update... You finally did it.Congratulations...


I liked dofus bec it was original .Now ur making it like other games. You are changing system completely. I want to say something bad too.But can t write it on forum.You ll lose many players after this update anyway.


Change it!!! change all!! add new 100000 classses new bad spells and change all system everytime ok????? finish ur own game...

The update isn't that bad. It brings a lot of changes, but not o them are bad. I don't see what everyone is so angry about. To start with some of the changes announced aren't final.

Correct.

From what I've read so far all the outrage boils down to 4 kinds of people:

1. Those who cannot be pleased no matter what you do, they whine about events and when one comes along they trash it, they ask for new contents but everything seems to be not to their liking.
Only way to deal with these people is to ignore the fuss they make because no matter what you do you will always be doing it wrongly.

2. Those who have been playing for long and have had it hard when the game was still in its early making, they will welcome any changes that can still benefit them like the mass craft button but will be against any changes that will make it easier for newer players to achieve what they achieved with less effort and time spent, some of them don't welcome change in general and remind me of old veterans like my grand father who would rather send a letter by post than to acknowledge email, talking all the time how we get it easy now being able to ride a bus to school when in his times they had to walk miles.
To please those people you need to stop trying to evolve, take risks, and try new things.

3. Those who are hurt by the changes to their characters and are taking it out on other positive updates to make it all look like a bad move, some of them will quit the game and stop being a hassle and others will learn to cope with the new changes and grow less aggressive.
Time will solve it when it comes to those people.

4. Those who seriously dislike PVP and feel it's unfair people involved in PVP get an advantage, that when they do it their way it's harder, longer, and more frustrating.. I feel for those people and I kind of fall into this category with one tweak, that I think to each their own.. If this new update will make it easier for some who enjoy killing others it will make it easier for others too when scroll prices fall due to overflow.
Those people will either learn to cope and find new money making strategies or will burn out and quit.

Telling people they can put their wings down will NOT work because to them, there is more to it.

You will still be able to do dungeons if you like to (Dopple keys will even make it easier) while those who don't can just get the bosses inside a stone for doing what THEY like. You will still be able to farm/buy scroll mats if that's your thing. Stop trying to sculpt the game to your own taste when many others with different tastes play the same game.

In short, no matter what you yell about here I don't think Ankama will be canceling the update because of an angry/frustrated/anti-change bunch.

This post has been edited by TurtleWings: 2 Apr 2009, 13:09

farmer,alchemist,lumberjack,anyone who wants to fight dopples or zoths has to be aligned.

Aligment isn't solely for pvp,i myself are brak and have been brak since i was a lvl 50 farmer so i could farm rice.

my alt is brak so she can go fight dopples,zoths etc.

This post has been edited by hatlessmandy: 2 Apr 2009, 14:42

too the people showing excessive rectum pain about more pvp content: there is more pvm content now too

more spells
dopples


so what're you whining 'bout?

5. People that DO NOT WANT TO PvP at all and DO NOT WANT TO BE AGGRO'd no matter which of the 3 alignments they are.
Solution: add another button on the alignment screen. DISABLE PvP. when Disable PvP is on NO_ONE can aggro you at all. Disable PvP would automatically lower your wings (with the usual results) and cannot be changed more often than every 168 hours (7 days). This would prevent people from popping in and out of mode to aggro people and then prevent themselves from being aggro'd back when they person they aggro has their battle set on them. (which many people working professions don't as they want all the pods they can get to carry their gather)

And I am in category 5 as you may have guessed. Along with most of my guild (we also have some people in guild who like PvP - when it is a fair and challenging battle). EDIT: (and i don't care about the benefits - I am a level 100 farmer/alchemist and some of my mats are in areas only accessed by aligned people. Same for a level 100 lumberjack I know)

This post has been edited by Teskeria: 3 Apr 2009, 22:36

Well, I am paying for 6 accounts (all of my family), atm. Enough for Ya?
And I have been complaining about the pVp stuff, like encouraging PVP to aggro (which I am against) and also giving even more things (like rolls building 'prizes') for a behavior I so not want, nor show.



Unaligning or never aligning is no option, because it would force me to spend money on things I could gather (e.g. being level 100 farmer/baker) otherwise.
This means I am *punished double* for not being aligned and taking part in the PVP scene:
1. not getting anything "special"...
2. needing to buy things I could gather without a problem ...

That is no kind of fun.

Hmm, But you do need to have wings up in water pandala, when entering and reaping rice there. At least when entering, tried it myself.
I was only allowed in when I rose my wings. And inside I was told "this is not allowed here" when I tried to lower them.

Rosal special, then?
I wonder.

That stuff was made for there to be a purpose for pvp. Also you can still get all the benefits without your wings out, aside from the extra exp and drops which you really don't need. People put their wings out to be agressed, and put them back down when they don't want to be agressed. So don't put your wings out and then whine about someone killing you.

hmm great this will make heroic even more unsuitable for lower levels. how about they do this on every server but heroic. have they not seen how dead that place is now due to high lvls constantly day after day hour after hour aggroing people 30-150 levels lower than themselves.

ffs stop invoking pvp. most of the players have no interest in that crap

Turtlewings, you are my Hero!

There is a significant problem with the new update and Ankama needs to know why.

One big problem is PvP Quest's that are comming out and rewards. Strokens and what they can be exchanged for is a giant mistake.
For instance
You have a tied scroll and hunt that player and kill him you recieve 2 Strokens.
A list of the rewards that you can exchange a stroken for?

Characteristic Scrolls
- a small scroll for 2 tokens.
- a medium scroll for 3 tokens.
- a great scroll for 5 tokens.
- a powerful scroll for 16 tokens.
- a spell point scroll for 100 tokens.

This will become HIGHLY abused for those who have multiple accounts. People will farm themselves and their own accounts to get 100's of tokens at a time and within a week or less have a character with all stats scrolled.

Scrolling is designed for the elite players who spend months working on their characters to develop them to their best potential and many players have spent months and millions of Kammas to scroll their characters. The hard work will become a huge waste because characteristic scrolls will start to flow like magical cures!

Once this ocures your character will have to be 100% scrolled to even compete at all with any of the other players.
People will abuse this new Stroken system and it will turn for the worst.
Ive also heard that there is a petition up for this update so far with over $5,000 worth of P2P'ers per month, and i think it got posted a week ago.

Im not saying the entire update is a bad idea because I like a lot of the perks it will bring and change in strategies, but the Strokens is one thing I think will ruin half the fun of the game. Its almost like saying this "you make a new account, instantly your level 100, instantly you have 101 in all stats" boring... makes the game less fun.

Just a little discussion. Any comments?

ps
Also found there is a place petitioning the update.

http://www.petitiononline.com/dofus127/petition.html

Not sure if the admins know about it

This post has been edited by DeathSynth: 3 Apr 2009, 05:48

did you read that? its againt the changes of sacriers


my god you're an ******

also scroll prices wont drop that much

Those who will use multiple accounts to obtain Strokens will be paying players, who are entitled to benefit from the system.


Claiming that scrolling is designed for elite players is selfish, among other things. Just like you and others have spent time making kamas to scroll, people will now have the option to spend time doing PvP to obtain scrolls, so that's neither here nor there.


No. Those who favor PvP will now be able to make a living out of killing others and those who wish to stick to tradition may gather resources or buy them to exchange scrolls. Both are fair methods of obtaining scrolls.

This post has been edited by Phrozen-Phyr: 3 Apr 2009, 12:40

Multi-accounters are entitled to benefit from the system sure but they are not entitled to benefit from abusing the system. I'm not sure the poster you were replying to has a valid point though because if you can only get the tokens from a PvP quest kill then you can not target your own characters in an effort to abuse the system, but that IS what the poster was getting at.

I don't see a problem with allowing a way for PvPers to obtain scrolls from PvP quests BUT with this system both methods of obtaining scrolls are NOT fair, in fact it's far from it. Do a little thinking about just how long it takes to collect 100 gob horns and compare that to winning ONE PvP quest fight and explain to me exactly how this is "fair". It's not even close. Now compare collecting 20 mush sporms (forget the other mats needed) for a powerful agi scroll to winning EIGHT PvP quest fights and tell me how you could even make the statement that both systems are "fair". It's not even on the same planet.

It has taken me countless hours of hunting and millions of kamas to scroll str and agi to 101 ea and I'm half done with wis. Now you're telling me that any schmuck can come along, pick one of the classes that is OP at lvl 60 say like Int Iop, and they can scroll all stats on ANY character they choose (scrolls are tradable) with relatively no effort at all?

The devs have been quoted as saying they KNOW most players DO NOT play the game for PvP. Why they continue to try to shove it down our throats is beyond me. What's worse is that they will cheapen any achievements people could once be proud of with these and other changes they have made in the past. Many of those changes coming in the name of PvP, something the devs KNOW most players do not like to do.

I'm not complaining that things should be as hard for others as it was for me. Changes happen, prices drop as more people join a server and more people get higher level. Eventually all things become easier accomplish. That's all part of any game like this but for the devs to create such an unbalanced system like this in an effort to ram PvP down the MAJORITY of their customers throats is insulting.

I have no problem with trying to make PvP more attractive to more players or making PvP a way to play the game and develop a character but this system is way too unbalanced.

Guys, dont be fools... there will be no full scrolled level 60 agillity xelors running around killing you and then going to get scrolls. WHY??? because these quests give XP too, and as soon as the charecter you have made goes past it's optimal PvP level.... you have to make another one. So mabye there will be some abuse at first, but after a week or so i highly doubt players with high-leveled mains will still want to level from 1-60 over and over and over and over, even if going from level 1-60 takes them less then a day because of leaching... it will get boring

ON top of that, once the charceter is no longer good for PvP anymore, if you did scroll it, all those scrolls are now wasted if you didn't plan to continue with the charecter... I am very suprised noone has brought up this point yet

I think it's a good idea. I'm a sourpuss; I'm not good at PvP, I know it, and I keep my wings down (and no, this does not interfere with my ore-gathering in feudala or quick transport via imps village when they are of the appropriate alignment - wings do not need to be up to use these features). I have no problems with people aggressing me, and this update will not change that since people must opt-in to the potential hit list by raising their wings.

Don't want to risk being targeted? Keep your wings down, you'll be fine. You are not being punished, nor losing anything for not participating. Nothing is preventing you from keeping up whatever your usual practices were before this update.

Some people don't mind trying out a little PvP, but aren't themselves the aggressors - they act only in defense. This will actually benefit them, because now they stand to gain exp/tokens for their time if they successfully fight off the aggressor.

My only concern is rewarding characters other than the PvPer(s) involved, and that includes other chars on the same account. I don't think the rewards should be exchangeable to other accounts, nor to other chars on the same account. That char earned it through their own particular abilities, that char should keep it.