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END GAME CONTENT, Who would like some serious end game content.
 killerfurby
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post 30 Oct 2009, 12:35 | #21
QUOTE (DeathknightZLH @ 30 Oct 2009, 09:51) *
easy the story is bout bolgrot and his "Pet" Iop "Master" if uve read the story bolgrot was killed by his master who also died in the battle since well bolgrot killed the female the master liked. gee thats a story line and ive even suggested some end game content based off of that story line (dont know where it as if someone could find it that would be nice)


you cant call what you read in one of the books your buy for like 10 kamas a main storyline that you follow. truth is this does not have a storyline in which you have to follow therefore there cannot be any end game content. you cant just have a beginning (the pathetic excuse of an opening video) and an end without a middle. this game starts you off which that video, makes it sound really good, then all you have to do grind grind grind grind grind grind grind.

dont get me wrong. when this first came out this game was amazing. but after the first year this has gone WAY downhill. my god its that bad that even bots are quitting... literally

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 Blazeron
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post 30 Oct 2009, 14:07 | #22
Heh, well said. Yeah, there is no bolgrot in the game, no helsephine in the game, no whatever that iop was called in the game. The only thing from that video/story that's actually in the game are the dofus eggs, but:

- they're not even all there
- they got no connection to the story. You can't trigger that 6 dofuses united desaster or whatever, etc.
- all they really are regular equipment with a little twist, namely that they're über-grindy.

Edit: I think it was a bit like "Hey pierre, we're making an RPG and i heard RPGs got a story, so let's quickly make up some generic hero-lover-bad guy story, it doesn't have to with anything and we won't even have to actually put it into the game.".

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post 30 Oct 2009, 14:56 | #23
QUOTE (telkoth @ 28 Oct 2009, 23:46) *
I have always wanted to see an MMO like Dofus or WoW do what a handful of web-based MMO - Kingdom of Loathing most noteably - has done: reincarnation: once you've beat the game (or, in Dofus/WoW's case, hit max level), give a quest that lets you start your character over again from level 1, but keeping one of your spells from your past life into the next. so you could play, for example, Dofus a second time, as an Eni with Punch of the Crackler (because you played an Osa to 200 first).

there _may_ be balance issues (I really don't see a problem, as long as you consider, for PvP and a few other places, a 2nd-life character as being higher level than s/he really is (maybe +100, but not +200)), but those can be worked on. I believe - strongly - that the idea is solid, and adds ridiculous replayability (and for relatively minimal effort on ankama's part, to boot tongue.gif)


i played a game like that once though, it didn't have a story either and there was only like 3 or 4 places to train at with no dungeons. i think it was called conquer no idea if it's even still there anymore or not, only made it to like level 71 though. Then there was a game called deicide that almost had a story, max level was 400 but after 2 years the highest leveled person was only 105 cause once you hit 50 it's like hitting 199 on here abruptly ends and you get burned out fast. whoa whoa whoa wait, you mean to tell me that "trailer" that it's rude of me to skip is the opening "movie"?

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 Blazeron
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post 30 Oct 2009, 15:17 | #24
Yeah sure, let's make it so you need to play as all 12 classes so your character can have all 244 class spells, because otherwise you can forget about competing about others. Because, you know, you need the enis spell cause you're at a disadvantage without stim and wor, you need the sram spells because otherwise you're at a disadvantage without invis and so on...

Or of course, we could put in a 85 billion xp achievement. Cause, you know, that would be about the same. Or we could just call it eternal grind hell while at the same time the PvM you grind is getting easier and easier, for an amount of grind that would make a a Korean's head go asplode.

But i still prefer the idea of actually implementing some high end content instead. I dont' think dofus needs more grind. And if anyone disagrees, how about you reach everything grindable first before complaining (all 4 dofus eggs, level 200 on all chars, AP/MPs on equipment, 600 spell points, etc.)?
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 DeathknightZL...
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post 2 Nov 2009, 15:19 | #25
QUOTE (killerfurby @ 30 Oct 2009, 13:35) *
you cant call what you read in one of the books your buy for like 10 kamas a main storyline that you follow. truth is this does not have a storyline in which you have to follow therefore there cannot be any end game content. you cant just have a beginning (the pathetic excuse of an opening video) and an end without a middle. this game starts you off which that video, makes it sound really good, then all you have to do grind grind grind grind grind grind grind.

dont get me wrong. when this first came out this game was amazing. but after the first year this has gone WAY downhill. my god its that bad that even bots are quitting... literally


Excuse me but i DIDNOT read it from a book INGAME it was the STORY posted on the MAIN WEBSITE want the link?

http://www.dofus.com/en/mmorpg-game/story.html

The story of dofus. Small and short and not really much of a story but STILL it is a story. And perhaps the developers Havent thought of a really good way to implement an actual story line into the game. If you so much as think it is extremely easy to make a game like this and please ppl your wrong. go and try to make one youll find out it is an extremely difficult task.

You want a story line put in ill work on some content for a story line then and show u how much work time and effort it takes.. ill get back to u in a few months and maybe even years with NEW STORY LINE CONTENT!.

Ty come again.
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 Blazeron
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post 2 Nov 2009, 19:33 | #26
QUOTE (DeathknightZLH @ 2 Nov 2009, 15:19) *
Excuse me but i DIDNOT read it from a book INGAME it was the STORY posted on the MAIN WEBSITE want the link?

http://www.dofus.com/en/mmorpg-game/story.html


I'm pretty sure that exactly this story is actually available as a book in-game. As such, it doesn't really matter where you (or anyone else for that matter) has read the story.

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The story of dofus. Small and short and not really much of a story but STILL it is a story.


Since "story" is a common term that describes a sequences of events, you're right. Note, however, that "I killed a tofu. Then i dropped adventurer boots." is a story, too. And the "Story" of dofus is pretty much the same in terms of [insert whatever quality here].

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And perhaps the developers Havent thought of a really good way to implement an actual story line into the game.


Perhaps? Most certainly.

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If you so much as think it is extremely easy to make a game like this and please ppl your wrong. go and try to make one youll find out it is an extremely difficult task.


Do you expect one person to make a better game than a whole company including graphics designers, animators, and so on? Anyway, if you would kick lichen and give the job to killerfurby instead, then dofus would be a lot better.

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You want a story line put in ill work on some content for a story line then and show u how much work time and effort it takes.. ill get back to u in a few months and maybe even years with NEW STORY LINE CONTENT!.

Ty come again.


We could put an awesome storyline into the game, but you know, we don't happen to be dofus developers.
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 killerfurby
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post 2 Nov 2009, 21:39 | #27
QUOTE (DeathknightZLH @ 2 Nov 2009, 15:19) *
Excuse me but i DIDNOT read it from a book INGAME it was the STORY posted on the MAIN WEBSITE want the link?


its ALSO in the books. everything about the dofus history is crammed into those 10 kama books (not that ive read most of them). jesus dude i wasnt having a go at you. take a chill pill its just a game.

to be honest im not really bothered as i dont play anymore till 2.0. im currently going through final fantasy 9 again till 2.0 comes out... tho ill complete it by next week so will start either ff8 or kingdom hearts again. haha now those are what you call storylines

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 Alyss-Sin
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post 2 Nov 2009, 23:35 | #28
QUOTE (Blazeron @ 2 Nov 2009, 12:33) *
Do you expect one person to make a better game than a whole company including graphics designers, animators, and so on? Anyway, if you would kick lichen and give the job to killerfurby instead, then dofus would be a lot better.



If you kick lichen and give the job to a monkey with autism dofus would be a lot better.
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post 2 Nov 2009, 23:51 | #29
QUOTE (Blazeron @ 30 Oct 2009, 13:02) *
That's like the saying about how everything is a drug, depending on the dose. Of course, a reasonable person can distuinguish between grinding and not.

Take WoW, per example. You can easily get to the maximum level and equip yourself with a lot of epic equipment without any grind at all by just doing the quests. Then compare it to dofus where you just grind the same stuff all the time. And that's exactly the point with new content: the would be more stuff to do, more monsters to kill, more variety... it would be less of a grind. But what's more important, it would be more content.



I must have misunderstood you, I thought you were saying that there shouldn't be any new content that just introduced more grind.

For me quests are grinding, I would rather farm DP 30 to infinity until I dropped a Turq then have to do a quest like Eternal Harvest (ugh doing that now lol) but that is just my preference. I actually kind of like the grind of farming enough Diamond stones to get all of Sherona's class spells (yes all 21) to lv 6, and farming for the Turq etc and so forth, as it is relaxing. Is why I enjoy professioning as well biggrin.gif Different Strokes for different folks, I think more quests with good rewards could be implemented as long as the quests did not make pvm less efficient then quest work.
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post 3 Nov 2009, 03:15 | #30
You ppl obviously DO NOT get the point. And no the book Has not been found in game and I have been reading them all bc me and my gf DO read them all. Just bc you think that my input bout the storyline is not a story you need to go back and get an education. Its called a SHORT story. Hey look maybe they didnt intend for an actual story line I just threw the damn story out there to allow discussion on the actual idea of end game content BASED off the actual story line. (even if the story line doesnt go in very far).

Now plz stop arguing bout it NOT being a story line and get into the discussion on how we could use this story line to MAKE better quest content for the game. would be better if we all put our heads together instead of sending them thrashing and bashing into one another.
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post 3 Nov 2009, 07:14 | #31
QUOTE (DeathknightZLH @ 3 Nov 2009, 03:15) *
You ppl obviously DO NOT get the point. And no the book Has not been found in game and I have been reading them all bc me and my gf DO read them all. Just bc you think that my input bout the storyline is not a story you need to go back and get an education. Its called a SHORT story. Hey look maybe they didnt intend for an actual story line I just threw the damn story out there to allow discussion on the actual idea of end game content BASED off the actual story line. (even if the story line doesnt go in very far).

Now plz stop arguing bout it NOT being a story line and get into the discussion on how we could use this story line to MAKE better quest content for the game. would be better if we all put our heads together instead of sending them thrashing and bashing into one another.


well if what you said isnt even in a book that just makes it even worse. if you believe that to be the story of dofus then it SHOULD be in game. not on a website. i think you misunderstand what i meant in the first place. what im trying to get at is this game does not have a story to follow like rpgs should have. you know, like diablo for instance. you actually follow that story. the game is based around it, even wow has a story to follow, although you cant complete wow yet you start off on quests which follow on from each other for ages. yes this does have a story, ie the books (do not include stuff that isnt in the game itself) but you dont actually follow it through. its just some pointless optional stuff.

oh and the fact your now starting to get personal and criticize people proves your on the losing end of an argument and discussion.

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 Blazeron
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post 3 Nov 2009, 17:18 | #32
QUOTE (Buggabug @ 2 Nov 2009, 23:51) *
I must have misunderstood you, I thought you were saying that there shouldn't be any new content that just introduced more grind.

For me quests are grinding, I would rather farm DP 30 to infinity until I dropped a Turq then have to do a quest like Eternal Harvest (ugh doing that now lol) but that is just my preference. I actually kind of like the grind of farming enough Diamond stones to get all of Sherona's class spells (yes all 21) to lv 6, and farming for the Turq etc and so forth, as it is relaxing. Is why I enjoy professioning as well biggrin.gif Different Strokes for different folks, I think more quests with good rewards could be implemented as long as the quests did not make pvm less efficient then quest work.


True that. Well, i wasn't thinking about quests like we got now (eternal harvest is as much of a failure as all the low level "buy that ressource" quests). I was more thinking about quests like you'd see them in other games, like
  • Quests that involve fighting
  • Quests with clear and straight objectives
  • Quests that are part of a storyline
  • Quests that offer interesting rewards



Of course, with quests as we got them now that aren't involved in a storyline at all in most cases (there are a couple of exceptions), make you buy some garbage ressource from the sellrooms and then reward you with 200 kamas and 5000 xp, i'm not surprised that there isn't a big demand in more quests.
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 Alyss-Sin
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post 3 Nov 2009, 18:01 | #33
Quests, long epic ones, would be very popular I think. I enjoy the bounty quests sometimes a few more of those wouldn't hurt.
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post 3 Nov 2009, 18:57 | #34
QUOTE (killerfurby @ 3 Nov 2009, 08:14) *
well if what you said isnt even in a book that just makes it even worse. if you believe that to be the story of dofus then it SHOULD be in game. not on a website. i think you misunderstand what i meant in the first place. what im trying to get at is this game does not have a story to follow like rpgs should have. you know, like diablo for instance. you actually follow that story. the game is based around it, even wow has a story to follow, although you cant complete wow yet you start off on quests which follow on from each other for ages. yes this does have a story, ie the books (do not include stuff that isnt in the game itself) but you dont actually follow it through. its just some pointless optional stuff.

oh and the fact your now starting to get personal and criticize people proves your on the losing end of an argument and discussion.


no in order to argue one must criticize the other to make a point. but you still dont wanna discuss any POSSIBLE means to make an actual story line to introduce here all you do is continue to bash me with "This isnt a real story since its not in game or its too short" seriously if you are gonna pull the criticize proves im losing an argument then ill pull the "Your repeating yourself so your losing the argument" bit seriously start discussion on how to introduce an ACTUAL story line

Like how bout we have some quests the look into the history of bolrok and helsephine and rykke?

Honestly I would like to see that story line placed in and actually start to form something for those high end players to do..
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 killerfurby
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post 3 Nov 2009, 22:02 | #35
QUOTE (DeathknightZLH @ 3 Nov 2009, 18:57) *
no in order to argue one must criticize the other to make a point. but you still dont wanna discuss any POSSIBLE means to make an actual story line to introduce here all you do is continue to bash me with "This isnt a real story since its not in game or its too short" seriously if you are gonna pull the criticize proves im losing an argument then ill pull the "Your repeating yourself so your losing the argument" bit seriously start discussion on how to introduce an ACTUAL story line

Like how bout we have some quests the look into the history of bolrok and helsephine and rykke?

Honestly I would like to see that story line placed in and actually start to form something for those high end players to do..


i never said anything about making a story to follow in the future. sorry i must have misunderstood you also. i was just talking about presently and the past. guess we got our wires crossed their. i getcha now.

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post 6 Nov 2009, 03:34 | #36
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He is levelling freak. He would if he could have mentioned combinations.


I am not! 23% in like 4 months -.-
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post 6 Nov 2009, 11:11 | #37
You just have no motivation, I guess. BUT! if you could have a sac with WoR... you'd have it in 1-2 months.

Good thing you don't do professions.
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post 6 Nov 2009, 18:03 | #38
All the current high-levels would. The only PvP-viable class would be a 12-class fusion that's only achievable for people who are the living incarnation of grinding.
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post 6 Nov 2009, 22:05 | #39
Maybe you are right, maybe not. I'm called a grind queen, but I just can't level my characters. I can work on professions 24/7 with no breaks and holidays, but just the thought of levelling makes me sick.
Also not all people are interested in PvP, really.

Don't get me wrong, I want new content, but I want something really new, not some "new" PvP options. New territories, new equips, new profs, just anything, but PvP.
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post 7 Nov 2009, 03:15 | #40
I have just thought about this, and in a way, not having much of a backstory, is pretty cool. It works in the Spitting Bwork, as you can make ya own history.
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