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[FINALLY UPDATED] WEAPON TABLES
Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté November 20, 2012, 22:04:20 | #1
[FINALLY UPDATED] WEAPON TABLES Comparing weapons objectively can be hard especially when critical hits come into play, so I decided to make these tables in order to make this task easier. The numbers inside the brackets are the average damages when the weapons are maged with an 80% potion. You can also find these tables at my talk page in the dofus wiki and I advise doing so because they just look better over there :p (Before the screenshot update is finished, it's also the only way but yea)

[Screenshot update in process]


This post has been edited by XehanordHeartless - September 08, 2014, 22:04:01.
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Bochi (Rushu)
Instant
Subscriber Kaniger Hunter
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posté November 21, 2012, 04:21:28 | #2
Wow! Nicely done Leyline/Arweena would definitely be proud to see something like this . Thanks for the useful info.

- Bochi


Member of the Zenith * Member Since 2006-09-30
posté November 21, 2012, 06:25:35 | #3
Outstanding.

This needs a sticky.




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Moike (Solar)
Compassion
Subscriber Pandulum Time-outer
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posté November 21, 2012, 18:10:10 | #4
Very nice to have, thanks. Should help a lot when picking weapons.
I don't mean to nit pick, but Mush Mishish has a cha steal, not air.


Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté November 21, 2012, 18:13:00 | #5

Quote (SiberianCreeper @ 21 November 2012 18:10) *
Very nice to have, thanks. Should help a lot when picking weapons.
I don't mean to nit pick, but Mush Mishish has a cha steal, not air.

Oops! I'm using the staff myself. Corrected, thanks a lot

Also I'm sorry about the size of the screenshots.


This post has been edited by XehanordHeartless - November 23, 2012, 13:21:30.
Subscriber Larva
* Member Since 2007-06-04
posté November 30, 2012, 18:58:05 | #6
Awesome table. Not sure if it would confuse things more than it would help, but I'd also recommend adding a column (or columns) for average damage per AP, since that's one of my favorite stats to look at when considering weapons.


Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté November 30, 2012, 19:00:44 | #7

Quote (AFDowntown @ 30 November 2012 18:58) *
Awesome table. Not sure if it would confuse things more than it would help, but I'd also recommend adding a column (or columns) for average damage per AP, since that's one of my favorite stats to look at when considering weapons.

I thought about it but it may be misleading since you can't use all your ap with any weapon.


Former Subscriber Tofu Stroker
* Member Since 2006-07-15
posté March 16, 2013, 18:45:16 | #8
ha wont need this anymore i rather us my punch


Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté March 16, 2013, 23:48:43 | #9
So much wasted time.


Subscriber Greater Bherb Pruner
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posté March 17, 2013, 09:30:34 | #10
sorry to say xeanord... it seems you wasted a lot of time doing this now.

I really liked the time and effort you put in to do this.

edit. sorry i posted this before reading yours yesterday


This post has been edited by clarkymark - March 17, 2013, 09:31:25.
Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté March 17, 2013, 11:39:22 | #11
I'll try to update this after the changes.


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Angel of the Forums Korriander Mower
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posté March 23, 2013, 21:17:36 | #12

Quote (XehanordHeartless @ 17 March 2013 11:39) *
I'll try to update this after the changes.

There will still be room for strategic calculations with regard to weapons. For example it seems obvious that a 4 ap hammer won't be able to do as much damage as a 3 ap dagger that you can use twice for 6 ap total. This will actually allow you to calculate damage per AP as well as the max number of times you can use a weapon to figure out what the most effective fire weapon is for example:

Is it stormcloud staff for 5 AP? Or Mallow Marsh daggers for 3 AP? Etc...

Sadly the fact that all classes can use any weapon with no penalty and the fact that you can only use your weapon a set number of teams means that no more than ever these is going to be only one weapon of each element that is ideal. Before it made sense to say that one weapon was worth using because of your class, or maybe you had a 10 ap build so a 5 ap weapon worked, or you had a 12 ap build so a four ap weapon was best.

But now it doesn't matter what build or class you are. Sadly there is only going to be one weapon for each element which is best, and it will be easy to figure out what that weapon is.


This post has been edited by Mishna - March 23, 2013, 21:18:48.
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Predict (Rushu)
Myth
Subscriber Blop Gulper
* Member Since 2012-03-07
posté May 06, 2013, 07:10:43 | #13
Well nice work , seems time consuming but im sorry to say its not usefull any more after weapons update sadly  


Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté May 08, 2013, 23:44:58 | #14

Quote (AboodHamed @ 06 May 2013 07:10) *
Well nice work , seems time consuming but im sorry to say its not usefull any more after weapons update sadly

This is getting a major overhaul in summer.


This post has been edited by XehanordHeartless - May 27, 2013, 20:41:10.
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Zhit (Solar)
Parinjas
Subscriber Scaraleaf Planter
* Member Since 2013-05-01
posté May 30, 2013, 14:12:06 | #15
I hope they bring back the old weapon system!


Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté June 21, 2013, 11:15:05 | #16
UPDATE: I've started making the new tables. This will go slowly because the items are not in wiki and I have to search the official weapon list.


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Glory (Dark Vlad)
Team X-Factor
Former Subscriber Arachnophobe
* Member Since 2010-10-26
posté September 25, 2013, 22:42:31 | #17

Quote (IAMONEOFAKIND @ 21 November 2012 04:21) *
Wow! Nicely done Leyline/Arweena would definitely be proud to see something like this . Thanks for the useful info.

- Bochi
test


Subscriber Tofu Stroker
* Member Since 2011-03-02
posté November 25, 2013, 07:10:27 | #18

Quote (Mishna @ 23 March 2013 21:17) *

Quote (XehanordHeartless @ 17 March 2013 11:39) *
I'll try to update this after the changes.

There will still be room for strategic calculations with regard to weapons. For example it seems obvious that a 4 ap hammer won't be able to do as much damage as a 3 ap dagger that you can use twice for 6 ap total. This will actually allow you to calculate damage per AP as well as the max number of times you can use a weapon to figure out what the most effective fire weapon is for example:

Is it stormcloud staff for 5 AP? Or Mallow Marsh daggers for 3 AP? Etc...

Sadly the fact that all classes can use any weapon with no penalty and the fact that you can only use your weapon a set number of teams means that no more than ever these is going to be only one weapon of each element that is ideal. Before it made sense to say that one weapon was worth using because of your class, or maybe you had a 10 ap build so a 5 ap weapon worked, or you had a 12 ap build so a four ap weapon was best.

But now it doesn't matter what build or class you are. Sadly there is only going to be one weapon for each element which is best, and it will be easy to figure out what that weapon is.
I can't disagree more. If you have high stats and low damages, you may prefer a single one hit weapon like slashen axe rather than a elfic shovel (which is worth using only if you have high fixed damage and ch)


Subscriber Kami Snowfoux Kuddler
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posté September 08, 2014, 22:00:33 | #19
Bump
I managed to automatize the process of creating the tables using a few Python scripts.
The good thing is that updates won't be a problem any more and in request I can easily provide more fields like damage/ap. As you may have noticed, I also list weapons below lvl 100 since I don't have to do the process by hand anymore.
The bad thing is that the scripts fetch the data from the official encyclopedia and therefore a few items are not included since their stats are not listed in the official site.
You can find the updated version in my talk page, I will also upload screenshots when I find the time but for the time being, a complete updated version of the tables in my talk page is better than outdated tables and screenshots. If someone could help me with the screenshots, it would be much appreciated!


This post has been edited by XehanordHeartless - September 08, 2014, 22:02:31.