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Feca Vs iop ( Rosal ), Who would win in an 8 on 8
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Subscriber Gobkool Shearer
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posté December 07, 2008, 21:22:26 | #1
Feca Vs iop ( Rosal ) Hi me and my friend were just arguing who was better feca or iop ( and i dont want any one saying that it depends ) so we had an idea have an all out 8 on 8 deathmatch both sides having lvl 100+ people ( so no one can say "if only i had that spell" ) i dont have the time nor the man power to organise this but im just putting out the idea incase anyone else wants to do it... anyways yup i would like to hear peoples feadback on this idea.





-Hyphy-Shield 118 rosal feca



Former Subscriber Minotoror Tamer
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posté December 08, 2008, 12:11:17 | #2
8fecas vs 8iops you say? If I had to bet on one side, I'd probably bet on the fecas, but it would be a very balanced and strategy intensive match, especially if there's a nice mix of boogey fecas, int, str and agi iops in there. The main problem I would see is that iops can control the battlefield better - i.e. jump and push fecas around, essentially making our glyphs one-shots or even turning them against us. On the other hand we could have stacked shields, healing (boogeys and cawwots), ap/mp steal, stacked glyphs, occassional immunities and maybe some battlefield control with release.

The strategies seem numerous to apply. Fecas should probably stick close for shields and healing (if our stacked shields are good enough against Sword of Iop hits), while iops will probably try to stay off of glyphs and single out fecas (ones that used up their immu) and eliminate them one by one with heavy sword hits or Wrath. If there are any players with boogeys (fecas or int iops) they would become priority targets.

Maybe try this on smaller scale: 2vs2, or 4vs4? Give me a PM in game if you're close to getting a group together. I'm a lvl 137 Feca on Rosal and would gladly participate in a quick friendly challenge or two (I can bring a boogey).


posté January 02, 2009, 19:34:01 | #3
ARE YOU PEOPLE SEROUS?
Iops would totally win by a longshot! the fecas would all die!!


Former Subscriber Koolich Choker
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posté January 03, 2009, 06:22:59 | #4
hmmm, im not sure who would win; being a fragile delicate lvl70 xelor, but i seem to get my ass kicked a lot more by fecas than by iops. Then again i die extremely quickly to iops. i'll toss a coin...


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posté January 03, 2009, 23:36:17 | #5
IOPS of course..they can heal,jump use there 100 special attack and then,they could use devotion and much more they would totally pwn


posté January 07, 2009, 03:49:24 | #6
I would say iops, fecas shields can't stop iops wrath.


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posté January 13, 2009, 00:13:20 | #7
for all the people saying iops would win because of wrath... ya im so scared of a 1/2 crit fail spell, espically if you are all bunch togeather so i can glyph of silence you all to under 7 ap


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posté January 16, 2009, 03:14:28 | #8
its hard to ap rape now and iops cant do devotion... only xelors can


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posté January 16, 2009, 03:23:02 | #9

Quote (Phatballerz @ 16 January 2009 04:14) *
its hard to ap rape now and iops cant do devotion... only xelors can


with the same wisdom there is a 50% chance of ap rape happening. assumeing the feca and the iop have the same wisdom (in most cases the feca would have more) the glyph of silence+blindness would take 7-8 ap base, which is 3-4 ap a turn taken per feca, and there are 8 fecas, if they want the glyphs to remain the can only stake two at a time, but that adds up to 6-8 ap a turn.... and i have no idea who said iops can devo but it wasnt me


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posté January 16, 2009, 03:26:44 | #10

Quote (iheartnoobs @ 07 January 2009 03:49) *
I would say iops, fecas shields can't stop iops wrath.


if the 8 fecas and the 8 iops were level 200, the level 200 wrath would hit about 4000 each time. if the feca has on feca shield+earth armor 60% of the damage about will be reduced, and if staked on by all, or close to all of the fecas its about 75%. that is about 1000 damage, so it wouldn't even cut a level 150+ fecas hp in half. also immuntiy takes care of wrath for two turns...

P.S. 8 bgs staked is gunna be about 2000+ damage, so the fecas have the opertunity to out damage the iops in this situation


posté January 16, 2009, 07:22:50 | #11
If all 8 where damage iops then would stack bravery guide and use leek pie across the map....
If a feca came close all 8 would use strengthstorm on the feca....
Every 5 turns the iops would gain 150 hp which will last 21 turns....
Leek pie will be hitting around 80 each hit which is about 240 each iop and will hit about 20 each leek pie on a feca lvl 100...
Fecas dont have alot of hp...
Damage Iops are pure vit....


Winner Iops


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posté January 16, 2009, 12:59:51 | #12
Leek Pie wont even hurt a feca lol..


posté January 17, 2009, 10:16:14 | #13
It's going to be a very balanced and tactical fight: offensive VS defensive.

it's really hard to predict who will be the winner, but I'll bet it's going to be a hell of a fight!


IOP FTW!


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posté February 03, 2009, 23:33:53 | #14
awesome idea tbh

why limit it to iops and fecas.. i think 8v8 battles with class teams would be awesome, though i must say 8 fecas if you get a good formation going 8 sets of shields on each feca.. sounds like scary damage reduction

then again 8 xelors stacking loss of motivation and 8 dials.... -200% res anyone? lol

and 8 enis 24 ap anyone? lol

hmmm I wanna see some fights like this.. DO IT, DO IT , JD and coke DO IT!


Former Subscriber Tofu Stroker
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posté February 05, 2009, 17:03:28 | #15
as they said the armors reduce to much en if they all use inmunity they can even hit nothing en 8 armors there is no way to brake trough lol i figtet vs an 180 iop the he used iops wrath i reduced it al in my inmunity sow wh


posté February 05, 2009, 17:04:18 | #16
This sounds like it would be a very interesting fight you should try to make up 8v8 class battles. I would make a new character on whatever server you do it on just to watch the fight.


Former Subscriber Tofu Stroker
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posté February 05, 2009, 17:44:24 | #17
lol iam just 106 whaa lool


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posté February 07, 2009, 02:43:59 | #18

Quote (herothingy @ 17 January 2009 11:16) *
It's going to be a very balanced and tactical fight: offensive VS defensive.

it's really hard to predict who will be the winner, but I'll bet it's going to be a hell of a fight!

Agreed.


posté February 07, 2009, 06:30:44 | #19
Really I think that the fight would be decided within the first couple of turns. If the iops can wrath enough of the fecas who do not have their shields up then they might have a chance. But in a longer drawn out fight I would have to say that the fecas would win the fight because they will be able to outlast the iops


posté February 08, 2009, 00:55:37 | #20
um let me think depends on there lvl if they were the same iops totally



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posté July 18, 2009, 23:33:29 | #21
unless feca's can reflect attacks caused by iops it could last a long time



posté July 20, 2009, 01:52:20 | #22

Quote (MineShaft @ 12 January 2009 19:13) *
for all the people saying iops would win because of wrath... ya im so scared of a 1/2 crit fail spell, espically if you are all bunch togeather so i can glyph of silence you all to under 7 ap

I think Fecas can handle it, look how happy they are!

And the reason why I quoted this is because my brother just read that out loud, and when you do in a normal tone, it sounds really nerdy. No offense though, it is a good reason.


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posté July 21, 2009, 17:48:01 | #23
All the Iops could use all thier buffs on one Iop and maybe have a chance.

I think fecas have a better chance of winning though.


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posté July 21, 2009, 17:53:55 | #24
I'd put everything i ever got on Fecas lmao. 8 gynphs and 8 piled shields? Lmao iops would die FAST!

~Random


posté July 24, 2009, 00:37:34 | #25
Fecas also may seem complicated at first, but if you do your homework and see what moves go well together, they are pretty good.


posté July 24, 2009, 01:16:51 | #26
I think the Iops might be able to wait until the Fecas shields run out, buff 1 lop who then goes in and does insane damage, then repeats.


Subscriber Quetsnakiatl Cruncher
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posté July 27, 2009, 21:50:49 | #27
Iops would win in higher lvls i think
lower-med lvls, fecas would win


posté August 05, 2009, 19:48:05 | #28
OF COURSE FECA'S YOU NUMBNUTS..... what do you think a iop would do a feca with immunity and all their shields TOGETHER..... well i'll be glad to see it... whose right and whose wrong


posté August 07, 2009, 16:13:29 | #29

Quote (wentrupp @ 05 August 2009 19:48) *
OF COURSE FECA'S YOU NUMBNUTS..... what do you think a iop would do a feca with immunity and all their shields TOGETHER..... well i'll be glad to see it... whose right and whose wrong


Cept the turn the Fecas shields are down the iops would move in, kill a single feca in that turn then jump away.


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posté August 07, 2009, 20:32:15 | #30
Only hope for the iop against 8 stacked shield are 1-Iop wrath which would be delayed (hi truce, spell rebound, immunity) and lot of intimidation.

If the fecas can get in a block formation (ie, can't really be moved, aside from blow), it's pretty much over for the iops.


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posté August 08, 2009, 13:22:51 | #31

Quote (Muniamx @ 07 August 2009 19:32) *
Only hope for the iop against 8 stacked shield are 1-Iop wrath which would be delayed (hi truce, spell rebound, immunity) and lot of intimidation.

If the fecas can get in a block formation (ie, can't really be moved, aside from blow), it's pretty much over for the iops.

no, theyd get even more damage from the hitback thingy. and AoE spells would hit them all like crazy


posté August 08, 2009, 18:24:25 | #32
i'd have to go with iops, their overpowered no matter what happens and fecas shields only last so long, and their more vulnerable if they used up their shields and immunity, so iops would have the advantage, i wouldnt know too much, but i'm a lv 82 osa and had alot of experience against both classes


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posté August 08, 2009, 22:17:39 | #33
Why all of you assume that all fecas would cast shields the same turn? Especially knowing about the vulnerability... It had sense in 1.26, but has no sense now.
Also any good feca should be able to ap and mp rape an iop. And with 8 fecas all glyphs can be not only stacked but also have infinite duration. Iops have no +mp/ap spells and their AoE attacks have high ap-cost. SS, intimidation, and pressure most likely will be used. And only SS and intimidation will be a problem if fecas play right.

@Muniamx
Intimidation is very powerful now and block formation will make it AoE. Though, it doesn't matter if iops are ap raped, they won't be able to cause enough damage.


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posté August 10, 2009, 17:57:41 | #34

Quote (Nikto @ 08 August 2009 22:17) *
Why all of you assume that all fecas would cast shields the same turn? Especially knowing about the vulnerability... It had sense in 1.26, but has no sense now.
Also any good feca should be able to ap and mp rape an iop. And with 8 fecas all glyphs can be not only stacked but also have infinite duration. Iops have no +mp/ap spells and their AoE attacks have high ap-cost. SS, intimidation, and pressure most likely will be used. And only SS and intimidation will be a problem if fecas play right.

@Muniamx
Intimidation is very powerful now and block formation will make it AoE. Though, it doesn't matter if iops are ap raped, they won't be able to cause enough damage.


Shielded cawwot in front tend to fix that issue rather quickly.

They'd need to use a map corner however.


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posté August 13, 2009, 16:08:27 | #35
I'd say 50:50 for this one, 8 fecas with 8 stacked shields? + the effect of the shields on friendlies(the AoE bit of the armor). Probably reducing damage to the minimal. But 8 Str Iops doing Wrath every same turn, might do some decent Damage even with the shields.


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posté August 14, 2009, 12:43:43 | #36
Iops won't be able to do wrath, at least not all of them as fecas usually have higher wisdom, glyph of blindness lasts several turns and stackable. It'll be hard to AP rape 8 iops to 1-2 ap, but it's possible to AP rape them to 6 AP.


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posté August 21, 2009, 10:35:21 | #37
Iops Dont Have Insolent bramble And Stuff like that, Therefore it Will probably be Hard for Em to Beat The All Shieilding Fecas ;D


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posté August 23, 2009, 07:23:10 | #38
Well, Iops are very offense, and fecas are defensive, and not only that but fecas can still fight so Im gonna have to say Fecas. By a LANDSLIDE!


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Subscriber Tofu Stroker
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posté October 06, 2009, 16:11:32 | #39
:/ it depends on levels and build... beacuse some iops are damg some agi some str some int all at different levels... also people saying fecas could rape all the iops and sheild all there team and attack seems a bit much to do ?


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posté October 07, 2009, 00:10:47 | #40
when fecas are grouped together, the only advantage the iop has over a feca is gone, pure raw damage cant break through multiple stacked armours, and if they all buffed 1 iop, thats 7 crap iops to pick off one by one

and there is no way 8 fecas could possibly get 8 stacked armours on each other, theres not enough space, 4 or 5 would be a reasonable total i think, but thats still enough to halt an iop


posté October 18, 2009, 16:45:37 | #41
Dont you understand ? fecas win %100 . iops cant wrath because of immunity or spell rebound =P and them all will use fecas shield its %140+ resist every feca also iops cant unbewitch them >.< iops cannot hit fecas. fecas can kill them easy


posté October 19, 2009, 02:02:50 | #42

Quote (Berkecik @ 18 October 2009 16:45) *
Dont you understand ? fecas win %100 . iops cant wrath because of immunity or spell rebound =P and them all will use fecas shield its %140+ resist every feca also iops cant unbewitch them >.< iops cannot hit fecas. fecas can kill them easy



You DO realize that resists are capped at 50%....this is including spells. So if a feca has 50% resist to fire and casts Feca shield that extra % to all elements wont count towards fire since it is capped.


Plus none of feca's armors protect against Neutral damage, which is what most iops use as damage with swords...except Feca shield and Their special class spell which again only brings up reists max to 50% and prevents them from using CC weapons. Iops do massive damage with their swords, and can kill feca's, it will all come down to tactics rather then brute "This class always beats this class"




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posté October 27, 2009, 04:25:23 | #43

Quote (Buggabug @ 19 October 2009 02:02) *
You DO realize that resists are capped at 50%....this is including spells. So if a feca has 50% resist to fire and casts Feca shield that extra % to all elements wont count towards fire since it is capped.


Plus none of feca's armors protect against Neutral damage, which is what most iops use as damage with swords...except Feca shield and Their special class spell which again only brings up reists max to 50% and prevents them from using CC weapons. Iops do massive damage with their swords, and can kill feca's, it will all come down to tactics rather then brute "This class always beats this class"

As far as I know, neutral is blocked by earth armor.


posté October 27, 2009, 18:32:14 | #44

Quote (FlaMinXRaY @ 27 October 2009 04:25) *
As far as I know, neutral is blocked by earth armor.


Ah they might have changed this aspect, when I played many moons ago (quit my feca when they capped resists at 50% and gave everyone shields to wear) a neutral damage sword didn't show the whole Sirens-Call reduces x dmg with it.


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posté November 18, 2009, 01:11:02 | #45
at least 3 fecas must be str/crit, with nice wis. Now it looks more even. Spell rebound>wrath. Couple of boogey fecas and you've got a close game ^^


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posté December 08, 2010, 00:05:30 | #46
Feca's PunYa


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posté December 12, 2010, 20:12:24 | #47

Quote (Bujax @ 08 December 2008 13:11) *
8fecas vs 8iops you say? If I had to bet on one side, I'd probably bet on the fecas, but it would be a very balanced and strategy intensive match, especially if there's a nice mix of boogey fecas, int, str and agi iops in there. The main problem I would see is that iops can control the battlefield better - i.e. jump and push fecas around, essentially making our glyphs one-shots or even turning them against us. On the other hand we could have stacked shields, healing (boogeys and cawwots), ap/mp steal, stacked glyphs, occassional immunities and maybe some battlefield control with release.

The strategies seem numerous to apply. Fecas should probably stick close for shields and healing (if our stacked shields are good enough against Sword of Iop hits), while iops will probably try to stay off of glyphs and single out fecas (ones that used up their immu) and eliminate them one by one with heavy sword hits or Wrath. If there are any players with boogeys (fecas or int iops) they would become priority targets.

Maybe try this on smaller scale: 2vs2, or 4vs4? Give me a PM in game if you're close to getting a group together. I'm a lvl 137 Feca on Rosal and would gladly participate in a quick friendly challenge or two (I can bring a boogey).

I think, on the current spells, buffs and debuffs... my guess goes to iops


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posté December 12, 2010, 20:18:37 | #48
Meep, necromancy, I'm pretty sure this event is WAY gone by now


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posté December 14, 2010, 22:01:36 | #49

Quote (iheartnoobs @ 06 January 2009 17:49) *
I would say iops, fecas shields can't stop iops wrath.


im pretty sure if u had 8 earth armors on the iops wrath would be very worthless xD


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posté January 06, 2011, 03:13:34 | #50
it all depends on who starts first...