Eh, I never got gift points... Never received when getting Ogrines off players for sub time... And was always disappointed when there were exclusives when launched tokens were launched for them...

Just an opinion from either one of the average, or majority of players no doubt, heh.

For the best!

-Cato

I thought the gift points were the best thing about ogrines, since you could save up for a nice reward, instead of the stuff you stick in trashcans every time you sub. For those who multi-client it was nice to buy a large amount of ogrines on 1 account, then distribute them to your accounts. (not everyone is dedicated to dofus for years at a time, i've taken plenty of breaks)

I assume this only applies to those that buy Ogrines with IRL cash, heh...

This stinks for me, i needed 120 more gift points to get a pink dragoone.. Oh well, thanks Ankama..  

Yep... This Stinks

OH MAH GAAWDD THIS STINKS SO BADLY !!! WHY ?

LAME

i like this XD

i only need 100 more for para and now it is going away ='[

it will not be able for us that do mobile payment to get para

So, all in all, it will now reward the actual subscriber for their loyalty (no matter if they subscribed with their rl money or their in-game money), as opposed to rewarding the one who paid the cash. That's a good thing, in my opinion.

However, the nice part of the whole GP stuff was always that you could accumulate it and save up for a bigger gift instead of several small (useless) gifts. Most people I know can't sub for a year at once, either because they can't spend that much money at once or because they need to take smaller breaks for exams and the likes. But in the long run, they keep subscribing.

I hope that in the future Ankama can give us something similar to GP for all payment options (direct for cash or indirect with Ogrines) that allows players to save up for their desired gift. Something like a P2P token for each week you sub or whatever and a shop to redeem these tokens.
Most loyalty bonus programs work in a similar way, after all.


This post has been edited by Frunupulax - February 02, 2012, 14:20:00.

This is really lame. Gift Points were awesome and offered a really flexible and actually rewarding reward system and were definitely one of the best things about ogrines.

I am curious about one thing though, since the options for buying ogrines and buying subscriptions don't match up, would you actually have to pay more when buying ogrines to receive the same gifts?

Instead of getting rid of gift points they should apply gift points to all forms of subscription payments, or something similar like what Frunupulax suggested already.

-Duo

Saving GP to eventually avail of a 360 value item is more convenient for players. Without a GP system, a player will be forced to pay for a 1 year subscription to get a 360GP valued items.... T_T


One good side would be that 360 GP items will be rare once again (or is that a bad thing?)

This sucks I won't be able to save my GP anymore..please ankama stop ruining everything

Not exactly happy about this but im sure Ankama has a good reason for it.

DarkReaperSaika

Darn! I was actually saving up for a Parasymbic Hat! Le me subscribing as a crazy whoe! Joking joking.
I think it's not a good idea since it was actually a challenge for some people to reach those 360 GP's.

But yeah like DarkReaperSaika said, Ankama must have a good reason for it.

xoxo Yen.

They really should've had a poll 1st let us choose.

If they have to have a poll for every change they want to make to their game then nothing will ever be changed. It's not the players choice, it's Ankama's

yeah silentrevenge is right

i too, am in favor of GPs for both forms of subscription.

it's been nice to save them for what i'd use, rather than get another item i don't have a use for. I have too many unopened items.

please reconsider.

WHY YOU DO IT ANKAMA GAMES? DONT DELETE IT!

its alredy hard for some to get a few bucks to get membership, ogrinies offered a way to get "that living hat you alwayas wanted" and not having to spend a large amount of money in one payment.
I'm sure they have a good reason, but still!
Ankama is obvioslly losing gamers each minute, of curse a few will join also..
Ankama is taking a big risk on the lastest changes in the game, they launched 2.0 and there was a lot of quiters back there, they launched 2 new classes to obtain more. they saw that people was still leaving and they offered a full year of membership to portuguese community. They are trying to get the gamers to stay, i think a poll wasn't a bad ideia, after all we are the game, if we all leave they have nothing.

Gift points are the only way some subscribers (who use paypal) can get the 1 month pets (aside from buying them with kamas in the market, which still isn't a viable solution for new pets).

Plus, what about the 470 gift points for the highest ogrines sub? Unless you're going to offer pets that are even better than 1 year sub pets then you are cheating us. Unless you're going to take away the 470 day subscription offer, which is still like cheating us, because that IS the best deal for long term players.

Also, you're forcing us to spend our points. Some will inevitably come up with leftover points. You don't expect us to waste them on candies do you?

Actually Izmar recently stated that subscriptions were at an all time high, so Dofus has more subscribers than before 2.0.


Yeah your right, they should stop the service dead and not even give you a chance to get anything for your points. That option is so much better than being given a chance to at least use your points for something.

ah well why ah well i guess ill have to spend my gp now then

Eh, no doubt due to Ogrines, but Ankama may not be making as much money, from one perspective...

...Though on the flip side, Ankama may be getting more sub fees in the sense that those same Ogrine sub holders may be feeling better paying additional sub fees (if they are low on in-game currency)... Hm, two ways to look at things...

I agree, GP would be nice to be rewarded via Ogrine subs... Odds are Ankama already considered this though...

Lame. GP were better than Sub Gifts.



I don't believe subscriptions are at an all time high for a minute. The only solid explanation are the amount of Online Currency sites paying for P2P to farm kamas.

Ok, to the guy that said it will reward the subscriber, not only the one who pays cash, you're wrong, you wont get a gift for p2ping with ogrines still.
I will most likely be forced to quit with this, as the only reason I'm able to play Dofus is because I can p2p without spending real money. Which kinda upsets me, Jedi was almost 199 and 2% XD
This is a stupid idea, without the gp people will be buying ogrines a lot less, which will impact he community in more ways than you seem to think.
Less ogrines means higher costs for them, and the general economics of the server will also go up, and couple that with the ridiculous time it takes ANYTHING put into the market to sell post server transfers killing all of the servers economies puts all players who don't share accounts and log eight at a time with no kamas very quickly.
Growth of ogrines sells shows more than i beilive your numbers know how to track, sales are up because you recently started airing commercials on Cartoon Network in America, which means tons of little kids are getting on, the kids want cool items/kamas, so they buy ogrines to sell to get them, now without the items from gp, kids as well as adults will be less inclined to buy them, resulting in a huge loss in ogrines sales.

Guess what I want to say is this is almost as bad as an idea as limiting ap/mp because noobs complained it makes someone op because they are flat out better than them.

NOOO! What you should do is get rid of normal p2p gifts, and give GP for them as well as ogrine purchases and kama p2ps!

They don't use them because people like me save them for special promotions.

• Special tokens
• special pets

We see it like this, you did it once and twice, you will do it again.
That is why they don't get used.

Unnecessary, sad, enraging, but a business move.

This won't make anyone happy.

"Statistically, the marketing team found that most players never use their GPs at all, which is why they're going into retirement. "

Is this really a viable reason (if it really is true) to take away the GPs? It's not like people who pay for subscriptions themselves (with credit card etc.) are too stupid to know they have GPs and that they can use them.

Money-wise, yes, this will make Ankama richer. A few months from now there will be new subscription gifts, only obtainable by the one-time 50€+ purchases. No more saving up points to get them. Stuff will become exclusive. Everybody is running around with a para hat and they lost some of their popularity. Imagine, if only 1/10th of those people had it? Exactly.

I think you are going about this wrong, instead of removing gp, give us other ways to spend it, like buying scrolls for stats and spells, put everything in the goubbowl market in the gp sales and I bet they would get used faster, wisdom candies, pp candies, ect.

And if you don't mind me asking, if there is dev notes about a patch soon, what nerfs are Xelors getting hit with this month?

I don't think this will lead to fewer ogrine purchases, thus driving up the cost of ogrines. I doubt most of the people who buy them do it just to get gift points, at least not the ones who are actually selling their ogrines. They are doing it to make kamas.

I do actually like the idea of keeping Gift Points and doing away with subscription gifts. Long term account holders just don't need or want most of them anymore. My bank is stuffed with unused gifts and token prizes that will likely never get used or sold because the value of them is just too low to bother with. If gift points are going unused it is likely because the vast majority of gifts are practically useless to anyone but pet collectors.

It would also be nice if we could "bank" our lottery tokens then exchange multiple tokens of the same type for one (or more) of higher value. Potentially adding a new lottery bracket with prizes that can actually be useful for people above level 100. Again, this would be almost like a loyalty reward for long term players.


This post has been edited by Priz - February 02, 2012, 19:00:09.

I also like priz's idea, it seems like something useful, i would love to see things that can be put to good use come from these tokens, maybe just give a chance on high level gear as well, doesn't have to be end game, but like 15X gear would be cool, or maybe a super ammount of gp for an in game dofus, or a potion you can buy to lift your secondary stats perm. like lift range by 1, raise heals by 1, summons by 1, crits by 1, ect. ok maybe not crits but range, heals, damage, summons, I could see.

I would have done this had I subbed with other than Kama...

I am inclined to agree with you fully... Now if only Izmar could report back to see if there is any evidence of truth about this matter... (not saying there is reason to believe otherwise) we are simply informed subscribers (no matter what our status says) darn avatar characters/status not updating.... Tch!

Sorry but eh, I disagree. GP was a awesome way to save little things up for biggers things. No doubt people didn't use it that much, they where actually saving it up, like Elektricotter already stated!

And yes, "Business move", it was actually the first thing that came up in my head when I read this title of the topic. Sorry to say, but this is just a action to gain more money. To bring the most "must-have" things to 1 year subscriptions...

Nice move, Ankama.

Ps. Explain next week? Now I hope it's something positive, because I don't see the point of removing them... it's just something virtual, nothing.


This post has been edited by Tuckers - February 02, 2012, 21:50:48.

Then don't use special promotions. Problem solved.

Whoops, little mistake. Ah well, it's not my day trough...

Ps. Would like to thank you Izmar, the forum of the Dutch community is once again in normal state! =D


This post has been edited by Tuckers - February 02, 2012, 23:41:24.

I have 90 GP saved up on one of my account. I never used them... Why?

BECAUSE THERE ARE NO USEFUL GIFTS AT THE RANGE OF 30-90 GP!

The most useful and worthy gifts are at 180-360GP
Most players do not subscribe for 6-12 months at a time... We sub for 1-3 months at the time. What are we suppose to do with hundreds of 30-90 GP pets???

What does your marketing team says about how many un-opened 30-90 GP gifts are there or how many unused gifts are there?
You want GP to be used up? Make new type of 30-90 GP gifts every 1-3 months and we will use them up.

Players do not use GP because we are saving them for something better. Do not force us to get the same gift all over again or to buy en-masse just to get value in our gift purchase.

This is a bad idea and players are not happy with it. Tell it to your marketing team. Do they actually think that this will increase sale? Maybe... at the cost of costumer satisfaction.... which will be detrimental in the long run.

This change removed an option that most players wants (the ability to save GP to get a better gift later), and for what? What does the players benefit from this? Players will be forced to choose only one option and that is to select from a limited choice of gift plan from the currently available gifts? Subscriber loses a favored subscription method and gained nothing in return (they will only gain gifts that they do not want or they already have plenty of). It's a lose/lose situation for players and the only one who will win is ANKAMA by forcing players to pay for long term subscription. Now before any puritan starts saying that nobody is forcing us, think again, think long and hard if this is not a move to force players to subscribe for 6-12 months a pop. Do you actually believe short term subscribers would want twelve 30GP gifts instead of one 360GP gift?


IF THE PLAYERS WANTED DIRECT/FIXED SUBSCRIPTION GIFTS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE SELECTED THE SUBSCRIPTION METHOD WITH A DIRECT/FIXED GIFT REWARDS!

Have the marketing team looked at the ratio of those who directly subscribe and those who subscribe using the Ogrine/GP system? Which one is more popular?


This post has been edited by Gunnerwolfang - February 03, 2012, 14:03:30.

The reason why most people didn't use their gift points is we were saving them for better gifts. I'd rather buy sub time at 3 months a pop than a year a pop. It's far to much money to chunk down at once. Unless I go unsub for 6 months *shrugs*

Hmm I guess i have to spend my GP now -.- This game is going to suck more and more

~Metal-Chick

Wow.

Nice One Ankama Games, Way To Use Consumer Friendly Strategy's To Make The Game Better NOT.
Who's Gonna Sub For A Year At A Time :l Most People Do 1-3 Months At A Time, SO That'd Be One Of Those Terrible Prizes LMAO, Dofus You Need To Fix Up Lol.
How Can You Be Nerfing The Subscription Awards. >__>

Did you consider that that might be the idea? Getting more people to buy the bigger subs for the pets? It's profit for Ankama

anoinemouse, that is so true :/
Right now I have 80GP which is what was left from the GP I spent buying parasymbic.
Well, do I want to spend them now? Not really? Do I rather wait and obtain more to get something better? OF COURSE!
This is NOT a good idea. You're changing something that didn't even bother anyone.
Gunnerwolfang, you said everything we are trying to say, thank you u__u

One last thing...
"As of February 22, 2012, Gift Points will disappear."
I can still buy a bit more to ad to the ones I have and spend them right?

Not meaning to disagree wit you Silent, but... I always thought the smaller subs yielded more income for Ankama, as if let's say 100 players were to sub a year; compared to 100 subbing for 1 month (eventually a year) that would net Ankama 120 at the end of said year - verus 60$ at the of le year...

Am I wrig to believe that, buddy ?

I'm sorry to disagree with you CatOcatastrofe, but I'm sure there are more people who subscribe 1-3 months than those who sub for a year.
Do you rather get 1 dollar from 100 people or 100 dollars from 1 person?
Think about it.