Monster Weaknesses: A Wiki Addition. Okay, so first off let me say I am NOT an awesome Wikipedia code writer or anything but I was on the wiki page today and got to thinking about leveling. I am currently a level ~40 Agi Sram (cue points and giggles from higher lvls ) who is burnt out on Mushd mobs. So I scoured the forums and wiki pages for ideas on where to level just like everyone else. Its all the same stuff, which is all fine except there are tons of monsters in this game and I like to travel a bit So I guess what I am proposing is that if I was to "attempt" to create a wiki page that contains a nice sortable table that only gives the monsters names, locations, and primary weaknesses would it be a useful tool for other Dofus players? The reason for this is that it is currently only possible to see a monsters weakness (resistance%) on the monsters page. This means that you actually have to know what the name of the monster is that you want to hunt, or else you are just randomly jumping from page to page with no direction, which is time consuming and frustrating. I also realize that this would be quite an undertaking, so any help would be awesome.

Thanks for reading and please give me some of your thoughts about this!

-LadyKurenai (IGN:Lady-Rea)

While I can't straight-out say they're the best of experience for your level, moneyless and rich lowbies alike tell me that Spimush, just south of the mushd corner in Brouce Boulgare's clearing near the moon island cannon are good exp. The highest level one, the lvl 30 blue spimush, actually kills itself. But it does alot of damage in the process. Truly, they give the most exp per second in the game, really.

Thanks for the post, but I'm not sure you actually understood my topic.

Mushd mobs are by far the best (at least for me) xp for levels 25-40 for an agility sram, but that isn't actually the point of my post.

What I am asking is whether or not a wiki page containing monster weaknesses in a table is something the "people" want or have a use for, not "where should I level?"

-LadyK.


This post has been edited by LadyKurenai23 - March 30, 2011, 00:02:51.

granted that that's cute and all, i dont find it worth it. it wouldnt have alot of use for the high lvs as we for the most part either know already or know someone else that does. idk many non-purely-pvp 1-- players that need help on where ot train. it's rathe robvious. for low lvs though most monsters dont have major weaknesses and i personally dont feel there is much issue there. scaraleafs are 100% to their element, and i like fighting em for some reason, treechnids are good too, and from what i know have virtually no resistance. if you are only hitting 20-50 that 1% isnt going to make a significant difference in the monster's 150hp. however when you are looking at 20% resis to all execpt somethign that it's 15% weak and the monster has 4.5k hp, that's a different story -.-' yeay frigost /sarcasm

however trees, scaras, and piglets are good. i sugest finding somethign that is actually fun to fight as it makes it feel less like a chore. who cares if you arent the fastest leveler in te server, no good if you arent enjoying it.

Regardless, Goodluck

-Piro

Edit: You're welcome to come on over to solar  


This post has been edited by pirotekno - March 30, 2011, 00:56:50.

One already exists, or rather, hundreds already exist. Just look up a monster and it gives the weakness of the monster and severl other useful bits of information.

Pay attention mr VOID OF BRAIN! he wants a way to search monsters by weakness. that way you can find mosnters weak to specific elements, since he dont already know. It's just... extremly hard to do with little value. if someone was bored enoguh tey might be able to

I'll see if I can't whip something like this up. it depends on how easy it is to get at the resistance information of monsters, but assuming that is readily-available, it's easy to do thanks to DPL - a fancy wiki plugin that Dynamically creates Pages with Listings of articles using filters you define... it's how the weapon and set pages are generated, for example (no one's hand-entering all that stuff! guh!)

edit: alright: I've created five new category pages, but it's taking the wiki a bit to recognize all the monster changes. I've tried telling various pages to purge their caches (to get the latest data), but they're not behaving very well.

so for now the category pages are empty, but they should fill themselves up over time, as the caches get the new data:

* Category:Monsters_weak_to_Neutral
* Category:Monsters_weak_to_Earth
* Category:Monsters_weak_to_Fire
* Category:Monsters_weak_to_Wind
* Category:Monsters_weak_to_Water

I should note that the current algorithm for determining weakness is very simple: whichever element has the least resistance is the one given. so if a monster has -50 earth, -48 wind, +45 neutral, +45 water, and 0 fire (for example), it will currently only be categorized as a "Monsters weak to Earth".

this is just a starting point. ideally someone a little more wiki-savvy (and patient) will come along and improve upon it.


This post has been edited by telkoth - March 30, 2011, 04:06:27.

What a great idea! Thank you to LadyKurenai23 for suggesting it. (Although it feels like such a 'doh!' moment - why hadn't it been done before?)

Although I partially agree with Pirotekno that high levels may already know where to level, it would be a great resource for newer players, folks starting off a new character or those who don't wish to just leech their way through the levels on Black Rat.

I like what Telkoth has started already, although I it could very easily become an unwieldy long list. Perhaps it could be put into a sortable table (like the ones for weapons) that could list mobs by level and area too?

I like the idea of the feature and hope it's not that hard to implement (if the wiki had a database-like structure, it would be extremely easy to generate).

However, I fear the list would be extremely long. Click here:Monster category Monster has 1243 entries, and each monster has 5 variants of power.

If you're going to make a table, you should probably also include other information like Monster Level, HP, AP, MP, AP resists, and MP resists. Knowing that a monster has -50% resist to some element doesn't necessarily mean it's the best to hunt if it turns out it's 50 levels higher than you are  

Telkoth, you rock my socks. thanks. And I do agree with the statement made that higher levels know all, but for us beginners this will be a very big help in picking fights. I also agree with Schmendrick about adding in more information, but now we have a start thanks to telkoth.

Something I was wondering about is if it is possible to have the table create a rule so that it only picks out the negative percentages, so that way if there are monsters that are weak to more than one element both will show up in the table.

Edit: Just checked the Wiki...our pages (weakness to elements) have been deleted. Apparently "_15:49, March 30, 2011 Galrauch (Talk | contribs) deleted "Category:Monsters weak to Water" ‎ (Pointless IMHO)" kinda rude how one person can say its pointless with no regard to others thoughts.


This post has been edited by LadyKurenai23 - March 30, 2011, 20:17:49.

OH MY GOSH!!! If that would have been on the wiki site when I first started playing, it would have helped SOOO much!

Great idea Frog, and AWESOME job Telk, for already getting something rolling on this!

I tell you what, Dofus alone is not what makes it such a great game, but the community of people involved in it!

Happy to be a Part,
Benjamight

unfortunately, my contribution was seen as "superfluous", and undone by one of the more-established wiki editors. this seems kind of short-sighted me, but I don't have the time or patience to really argue about it. I left a response for the wiki editor in question, and if he changes his mind, awesome... if not, oh well. it was cool while it lasted.

maybe one day I'll make a program that can scour the dofus wiki, rip out information, and copy it to my own database, to do with as I please... for now, however, I should be working; not posting to dofus wikis and forums


This post has been edited by telkoth - March 31, 2011, 00:21:06.

There are unfortunately a few major players on the wiki who rule the roost so to speak. I was even interested in those pages but I guess Galruch speaks for all of us in saying that it is pointless. I didn't realize someone else knew my opinions on the matter.

I remember one of the higher-ups deleting my int osa guide thread which I worked on for a while. I really don't get why he would delete it just cuz he doesn't like it. One man's trash is (in this case) is a mob of ppls' treasure. If I were him, I'd just leave it alone. A "pointless guide" won't start stabbing him in the back at night with a Cursed Blord Warrior Scythe. As for the idea, it's very useful. Especially for newcomers (or everyone in Frigost) where the weaknesses are unfamiliar. I'd def use it if it were up. By the sound of how the posts n stuff looks, it seems the highest elemental weakness is where the monster's weakness mark would be placed. Now for some questions if the wiki pages are resurrected:

What if a monster has, say, 2+ equal weaknesses? Would u just place the monster in both (and more if necessary) weaknesses page?
What if a monster has no elemental weakness, but say 10% to fire and 20% to everything else? Would it be marked as fire weak?
What if a monster (like Moon) has, say, 50% resistance to everything but 1 element (which is 0%) and is always the same lvl (200), but each time it appears it'll have a different weakness since there's 5 of these versions of Moon, but only 1 of the 5 would spawn and they're identical in lvl and everything but resistance. Would it get a "Randomized Weakness" page?


This post has been edited by FoodLord - March 31, 2011, 01:00:21.

The wiki is supposed to be an encyclopedia of information, not a guide. Things which don't fit strictly under this definition are often (and usually) deleted.
@FoodLord: Your guide was probably deleted because it was poorly written and didn't go up to level 190+. You would have been given a week's warning to create an account to work on it with, and when you didn't, it would have been deleted. Builds/guides are a tricky area, and Galrauch has been trying hard to get a definite format for them. But he's just one person, he has other things to do as well.

I don't see how a page listing monsters by elemental weakness is any different than the guide for leveling, the numerous guides for characters, the guides for leveling professions.

This was a good idea. It would've helped me out when I first played. He shouldn't have deleted the pages; I was actually about to contribute to it. e.e


This post has been edited by fennecer - March 31, 2011, 02:43:37.

:[ it sucks being shut down like we were...but if people keep saying that they would like/use this then maybe Mr. Wiki Admin will change his mind.



Ideally if a monster was weak to more that one element, it would be listed in both catagories...that what I was saying about the possibility of creating a rule to only show the two lowest percentages...that would knock out your first two questions. For the randomized weakness, yeah I would say that would be the best way to catagorize that...

The funniest thing that happened to me on the wiki was that someone thought my sadida summon/vit build was wrong :I

Now, I'm not the best summon sadida (I think) but I've played the build for a good 4 1/2 years now. I don't mean to sound rude about this but uhh, I think that someone who hasn't played a summon sadida for a lengthy amount of time wouldn't know how the build works. The most hilarious thing on it was they said to level chafer and arachnee. >.>

I really need to re-write that.

If people have a comment on the Wiki (suggestion, criticism etc.) then I welcome anyone to come and either make a post on the forum or to contact me directly on my talk page (or any of the other admins for that matter). I'll endeavor to respond to the best of my ability and we can hopefully come to an agreement.

As far as this specific suggestion goes I'd suggest anyone who wishes to make a comment posts here.